Anyway

AO

Happy?? why are you doing this to make me happy? dudee jan. I was the one who said This was wrong. Your do zari is just so kaj it will never fall, will it? You just do not get it do you? You are the one who is into score-settling not me.

Whales? Dogs? Get off the god damn weed akbar agha. What is all the Mumbo Jumbo? Control your anger. Of course when you start not caring about or for the sensitivity of people they will return the favor and could not Give a flying f... If you get hurt as well. What the hell did you think? This unfortunately goes back to you thinking that you OWN this right and everyone else Must F... themselves. This is the actual, The root cause of All the violence IN GENERAL.

Now , Keep in mind that I am PURPOSELLY trying to avoid addressing the difficulties that we see With various regimes in the world and their policies JUst thought i'd make it clear for you. Not that it matters to you, since your sense of hatred and disguts has settled deeply and would not even give a f... to keep The real muslims from the fake ones. To you they are all equal.

 What happens on TV is self-censorship.  Networks don't want to offend large segments of the population and lose viewers.  That's why they don't make movies showing Jesus, Moses or Mohamed having sex with goats (although it will be pretty funny if they did, and I will certainly pay to see those).  

Deh? jeddi? ajab. I am glad you masalan clarified things for me. Wow. So they don't absolutely care if the content of what they show would for instance offend the Catholic church right? Oh yes. That is because they don't have a strong lobby to make sure the networks keep the lid on it and keep it tight. It is all done for the sake of maintaining the viewership! ajab. I know you would waste your (i am not even sure it is hard-earned) on wacthing garbage. You would not hesitate a second.

I don't know what the heck you are watching but all the religious movies and documentaries that i have seen, did not seem to contain any "unregulated" content.

Yes, I watched that one. You loved it didn't ya? Well, Good for you.

oh...oops. was Clarification what this message intent to do?? ey baba...

gawd invented freedom of speech for jews and christians only

rest are terrorits, specially them muslims

Doctor X - F**k Jesus

Happy?  Here, f**k Moses too.  Have we covered all of them?  No?  OK, f**k Abraham also, just for good measure.  "Caring for the sensitivity of people" is a slippery slope.  What if I am a whale worshiper? Are we going to stop talking about whales? How about dogs?  I'm sure someone worships them.  

What happens on TV is self-censorship.  Networks don't want to offend large segments of the population and lose viewers.  That's why they don't make movies showing Jesus, Moses or Mohamed having sex with goats (although it will be pretty funny if they did, and I will certainly pay to see those).  It's certainly not because they are considered "hate speech".  The only content that government regulates is profanity, which are sexual content and profane words.  Nothing about religious or otherwise "sacred" personalities. 

There are films out there, however, that show these things.  have you ever heard of the Last Temptation of Christ? watch it.  It shows Jesus as the party animal that he was.

I hope this clarifies it for you. 

free speech good for only the rightious righties and jews

rest of the world is off limit , rest go and besab your kashkak

Dear Spicies

I almost forgot(thread's turmoil fault): keep up the good work.  

Very nice job and as "Pedramx" already mentioned it: Looking forward to the next 11 episodes.

Seed the progressive thoughts.

Pers66

Just curious: what is a "natural born American/Iranian"? Is this as opposed to unnatural born ones? Perhaps test tube or by use of cloning? 

Just wondering.

Dear Afyoun,

Thanks for the note, I respect your opinion.

 As a natural born American/Iranian I respect the right to freedom of speech for all, it’s just that my opinion of it is freedom of speech should carry some value other than mockery and insulting one another, it would be nice if freedom of speech would have some kind of a universal  positive effect for ALL other than ranting and raving about our personal views and frustration, but that’s probably not going to happen any time soon, humans have done this for thousands of years and the only way we learn is when we truly understand that every thought, word and action we put out there will have an immediate, short and long term reaction that we will eventually come back to us to deal with! And I guess that ONE of the only easy humans learn and advance, to learn from our actions and consequences.

I will take your advice and wise up: I will no longer waste my time with leaving comments on politically, religiously and racially motivated art that carry an intentional agenda of mockery and insult.

Thank you for your love and advice, I wish you well.

AO

What is also included in Understanding Free speech is recognizing or at least being mindful of the fact that there are certain things that 'should not" be expressed in such a format simply out of respect for the believers. Otherwise, this will turn into  unnecessary violence. Otherwise you can have your say but it is good to be respectful, or you are making the whole thing about something totally different and not just your right.

As someone who supposedly Understands the concept, well i should say a character, i am sure you have taken note that even on TV there are shows, real ones not cartoons! those that really count to make an impact on the audience that are rigorously controlled, so there won't be anything offensive uttered. I guess you would prefer to call that a form of censorship?

 Even during protests, people are careful to only target each other based on the issues, not each others' beleifs. A prominant example is abortion vs anti-abortion people. You certainly don't here anti-jesus slogans.

Dear Pers66

Come on man! Give us a break.

The tracking list of your account's inputs is just two clicks away ..., I don't see that much of technical, emotional and ideological insightfulness on "colonoscopy" !!

The freedom of speech is a one-way street, isn't it?

Btw, How on earth a website can survive then? The only thing that keeps a website online; is the HIT. Do you know any other way? If positive, wise us up please.

We love you too man

Dr. X & Seamorgh

Dr. X - I found it very interesting that you tell me to watch my tone - as if you were insulted!!! lool   You see my dear Dr., you are playing the insult card as if it was your 2nd nature!!!  What part of my post did you exactly have a problem with as far as insulting tone????

In fact the "Donbeh" example was the best way to describe people who get insulted by choice.   What about Ebi Lovers - can they get insulted by this video as well?  How far do we go with the silencing people in the name of insult. 

Seemorgh - How is this Hate Speech ?  What ethnicity or religion is being attacked here?  If you say Shiite Islam then by your argument - anyone making fun of Khamenei is committing hate speech against Moslems......Right?

Poor Ebi...

They should have used Shahram Solati instead..:-)

Spicyjihad

well said.  These characters do not understand the concept of free speech.  If making fun of religious figures was "hate speech" as these people ignorantly call it, then every single person involved with the production of South Park would be in jail for making fun of every prophet on the planet, especially Jesus.

To the Honorable Professor Seamorgh

Hello Dear Seamorgh,

We of SpicyJihad wage our epic battles from the shores of the USA. I would highly recommend you go back and read your own link, paying special attention to the 'United States' section. Additionally, we agree with the concept of Freedom of Speech as practiced in the USA.

Seamorgh: "One could argue that this is not hate speech but to say speech, even one that is insulting and abusive, is sacred is just an absurd and inaccurate  overgeneralization."

Actually, this is the truth, and the only absurd thing is that you can't see this plainly for what it is. We've done what you're talking about and the world hasn't stopped turning. Any idea can be thought or said. That's the beauty of freedom of speech, these rules protect everyone. And you or anyone else is free say whatever you wish in response. Feel free to abuse, insult, or disrespect us (or our beliefs or our mothers), we don't mind in the least. The difference is, we will defend to the death your right to say it.

Nothing is sacred. That's the one thing we don't joke about!

Your Clowns,
- Bahram Kour & Jhadagar Ali

Hey Racist.

Calm your N..s down there a bit.

Nobody is playing games with you here and checking a few wikipedia pages does not qualify you as "well-researched"

drop that authoritarian tone from your language. You are shooting yourself in the foot. Who would waste a second on trying to impress you? get real .

Masoud A

Watch your tone there Mr.

I understand and get so much more than your puny little imagine can fathom.

The example that you cited is far far from consideration of  the enormity of the issue. That shows how off-base you are. Not liking the use of the word Donbeh and beating people for doing so, is not the same as the significance of certain religious beleif no matter how hard you try to put them on spot and call them all kinds of names and then say "i know what i am talking about" No You do not. You have oversimplified the issue, A certain Trait for a certain group of people.

Why should Iranians care for something WE don't even know to be real??? You actually putting yourself in that position? who is we? Besides, for everyone of this gang of we There are those who DO believe this. Now the big Question is : who are you to make decisions on what is real and what is not? You wanted to use your free speech platform, well you are doing a fine job. Now move aside and let others who don't share your opinions to do the same.

If that Group believe in the fact that he indeed was responsible for a crime. Then that is their belief. It is respected. You see, That is how you respect one's right to express opinions.

Haji is not an insult, really. It is only a title. But if you hate it then so be it. It , is also respected.

You are repeating yourself again in that last paragrapth. LOOK Mr. secularist. My thing is about supporting the Original and genuine principles, not what others do with various motivations, be it capitalistic or political, By ABUSING THOSE PRINCIPLES

Oftad ya hanooz kaje?

For the intelerant (sea whatever)

First of all you don't deserve a Persian name. So I won't call you that.

Second I don't really care what Australia or Belgium say. When did you Islamists start following the West as examples anyway? I guess when it fits your purpose.

You are both late to the game and not well researched. We are on to the Islamist strategies. Days of wide eyed admirers worshiping Shariati are gone! If you think you impress us you are wrong.

I live in the US and am not afraid of your threats. You want to complain: go right ahead! We don't put people in jail for having opinions here. We don't murder people for writing books in the civilized world. Don't like it: tough.

VPK

For the ignorant few (VPK)

For the ignorant few who assert on their positions without doing much (any) research, Wikipedia says that the following countries have laws against hate speech:

Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, India, Ireland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, and United Kingdom.  

One could argue that this is not hate speech but to say speech, even one that is insulting and abusive, is sacred is just an absurd and inaccurate  overgeneralization.

Dr. X

I know what I am talking about, so do millions of people before me who decided to promote and establish the 30 articles of human rights - which includes the freedom of speech and expression.   Do you get what that is?  I know you understand it - but you obviously don't get it.   When I was a child, there was a guy in our neighborhood who did like the word "Donbeh" and would pick fights with anyone who uttered the word !!   This is basically the same issue.   Why should any Iranian care that anyone would feel insulted by belitteling a character we don't even know to be real?   Some even suggest Ali was responsible for genocide in Iran.   

I am not Haji and I find it insulting to be called Haji - but seriously, What does it take for you and others like you to understand where Iran has been for 3 centuries and still is getting hit from?  Yes buddy it is through Shiitism - with foreigners directly supporting and financing  Shiite elements both in Najaf and Ghom - and with Akhoonds keeping the Siite oven warm with Hossein, Ali, ......

I did not think this was

I did not think this was funny.  I also found it to be insulting to homosexuals and lions. 

SeanJ and all others on this Blog, LETS LOOK @ THE BIG PICTURE

I just came to a very simple conclusion:

 At the end of the day the main goal of every web site, IC included is:

 More traffic and more hits = more Advertising dollars and more profit.

If we take a deeper look for many weeks now you see more and more blogs with controversial topics,

One day it’s a Mohammad cartoon, another day it’s a anti Jewish Israeli cartoon, another day it’s a cheap animation on ALI by spicy jihad etc, let’s not rattle our emotions, get insulted and jump at each other’s thoughts, at the end of the day these blogs will not really make any different or put a dent in whatever faith or believe one has, it’s just a bunch of pictures and words, life goes on, Muslims will be Muslims, Jews will be Jews. This all is not worth for us all to get emotional, our blood pressure to rise and get angry and all.

Our life in reality offers enough real and dramatic issues for us to deal with, let’s not let it get to us, when I see a BS advertising on TV, I lower the volume and let pass or just change the channels, this stuff is just like all the crapi advertising done by politicians during the election seasons in the U.S.

Let’s Just look at it for what it is and move on, the big picture is the more controversy on IC the more comments witch translate to more hits and traffic and at the end more $$$$$ ;))

I WOULDENT BE SURPRISE IF THIS BLOG DISAPEARS IN A FEW HOURS.

I LOVE YOU ALL ;)

VPK

Insecure?

Are those who are desparately and defensively guarding their "right" to their free speech. What is scaring you? You are mixing and confusing all the issues together. Who can actuallly TAKE that right away from you, particularly you who live in the west That is free!! and safe Beghole khodet.

I have not seen but one cuss word comming out of those who you claim to be masalan fanatics on this site, But you on the other hand constantly run around and throw insults and na seza at those who DO NOT DESERVE it.

 WHy don't Go straight to a leadership figure in your area and spill your guts at him age mardi?  Go and demand that he would leave your right to free speech alone. Talk to those attend his place of worship and have an exchange of comments with them?

Keep in mind that You do not have the exclusive right to this freedom. Everyone does, Be it darn straight, Shiite muslim or A jew. So try and respect that.

Masoud A

What the hell are you talking about?

Granted  the Truthfulness of everything that you listed in your comment, You and that other dude are going around and saying anything you want anyways, so who is Suffocating!! your freedom of expression? COme back down to earth haj agha.

The line had already been drwan in the sand. There are some who are not necessarily FANATICS on this site, hence find these things Not Funny and quiet insulting. What does it take for YOU To understand the difference between using your right to free speech to belittle and berate and humiliate the F... Outta all the leaders and personalities and figures on earth but learn To RESPECT the religious principles people's belief are based up on no matter how fictitious and BS you think they are. DO THEY NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR FREE SPEECH???

Hypocrites.

Insult

Well said my friends. This insult thing is nothing but BS from insecure people. If someone is secure in their beliefs then why fear a few words right or wrong! 

These so called Imams have done nothing but harm Iran. If Ali and co are anything like Khomeini they deserve no respect and plenty of insults. Imagine 1000 years from now people worshiping Khomeini or AN!! What a pile of trash.

God if there is one all mighty would not be afraid of words. God would not be so petty as to torture people. I am so glad many Iranians see this.

Thank you my friends and keep up the good work.

Insult!!

Please take the "Insult Card" away from hardore religious fanatics, especially the Moslem kind.   I personally don't find this cartoon very funny but I do find it quiet SIGNIFICANT in two aspects.  1- Breaking stupid Taboos and 2- Expanding freedom of speech.  

Some of you may wish to consider Khomeini and Khamenei as Imams, or yet Ahmadinejad as a person in touch with the heavens - what are we supposed to do?  How many taboos can we allow to be created around us?  How far can we allow our freedom of expression suffocated?   No, we can't play the politiocaly correct game any longer - we must draw the lines and take a stand, regardless of our personal tastes which is totally irrelevant in such cases. 

Simple

Bad taste

Sacred

Nothing and nobody is sacred not even God and if you want to worship something you're free to do so, but don't bring it up and expect me to worship that. Islam has insulted humans and humanity in 1400 years with its God, Allah, that has nothing to do besides ordering to kill these, behead those, have war with these, enslave these women, rape those women,.... These you're worshiping Ali, Hossein, ..... all of them insulted Iranians and Iran, killed Iranians, raped Iranians, enslaved Iranians, ..... Have you ever seen a polish, a Russian, a Jew named Adolf Hitler or worship him. WAKE UP

Hate crime!

I don't know what society you live in. But in the US free speech is not punished. Hate actions such as bust and brun and attacking people are. Free speech is sacred.

Hate speech

Such speech could well be categorized as a hate crime, which is punishable in most liberal societies.

Thre are no religious holy figures.

The only real holy figure who should not be mocked is Santa. If mocked he will Skipp you on Christmas.
This is by far the best work produced by "spicy jihad".
Iranian.com-------->NOTHING IS SACRED!

I am truely sick and tired

I am truely sick and tired of the bigotry promoted in the name of "freedom of speech" by Iranian.com. 

And I am truely ashamed that so many Iranians connect with this kind of hateful propaganda.

I don't think I am going to waste more time on Iranian.com