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JJ

Actually, advocating murder may not the same as murder, but it is still a crime.  If someone threatens to kill you, that's a crime.  That's not acceptable.  If someone advocates killing Iranians en masse, that's not acceptable.  We have to wait until the people are dead to find that objectionable?

Simorgh555

You know full well bombing Iran means innocent civilians will die by the thousands.  You know full well.  It's just that you don't care, because you're an anti-Iranian disinformation propagandist.

JJ an email for you

 First, certain of those people pushing the "bomb Iran" line have actually bombed Iran (MEK / Jundallah) ... what do you want to say to their grieving family members JJ?  And saying "bomb Iran" for purposes of building a case for war and to recruit is not the same thing?   Terrorizing the Iranian community by threats of bombing is not bad? ... Dadash, you really need to think about what's going on here.

JJ here's the email of Dr. Farrokh.  He was awarded one of the Iranian communities highest awards.  I want you to contact him and ask about internet propaganda, recruiting, and building a case for war.  How it works, etc.

 Dr. Kaveh Farrokh

manuvera@kavehfarrokh.com 

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Words vs. Bullets

by Jahanshah Javid on Sun Aug 28, 2011 01:36 PM PDT

Baron A, people can advocate whatever they want. Words are not the same as actions. Advocating the bombing of Iran is not the same as ACTUALLY bombing Iran.

Boos Boos

Never mind what JJ says or copy and pasting my comments like a trained circus animal please provide me the source for the $1 billion dollars  'earmarked' (what a laugh!) for Lake Urumiyeh. 

You think I was going to let you off the hook? 

Be a man and have the courage of your convictions. Show me the source.  

JJ my original comment stands ....

don't cop out.

Baron Avak

No Baron. Asking for Basij and Revolutionary Guards to be killed is not the same as killing 8 Iranians per hour. 

Executing 8 Iranians per hour is genocide. Purging prisons as in 1988 and rounding up all political opponents before shooting them and dumping them in mass graves is genocide.  

People it wasn't a call to pile up on JJ ... let him answer

And Simorgh5555 I don't think you are doing JJ any favors because your participation is nothing more than OVERT (quotable) promotion of a war against Iran "to save Lake Urmieh."  I wonder how JJ would feel if his kid was one of the dopey kids that went to the lake, and shouted these type of slogans and then got hauled off to jail.   I asked JJ a moral question and he came back with 'don't support the IRI.'  JJ my original commnet / question still stands -- sleep on it and use your conscience dadash.   

“ by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

Words vs. Bullets

Baron A, people can advocate whatever they want. Words are not the same as actions. Advocating the bombing of Iran is not the same as ACTUALLY bombing Iran.

Meanwhile those suffering in Iran are ACTUALLY facing bullets, batons, whips and chains.

Sorry for not having my priorities straight :)

Simorgh555

I don't think that applies to your genocidal advocacy of bombing Iranians. 

Baron Avak

People on your site are advocating the bombing of Iran! How about you get your priorities straight?

I know you addressed this to JJ but the answer to your question is this:

Nothing is Sacred

If you have been following I.Com for years you should be familiar with its message statement by now.  

JJ

People on your site are advocating the bombing of Iran! How about you get your priorities straight?

Here's your answer JJ

First of all: You show me - where I've stated "I support the regime."  That's a cop a out -- let's see clear facts with quotes (Let me save you the time: you won't find them).  I have never taken $1 dollar from the Iranian government JJ; I could ask you the same question (but I know the answer).      Secondly:   JJ you stated "foreign powers fund opponents and interfe in Iranian internal affairs"  -- I agree.   And some of that interference is by proselytizing to kids on the internet to try to destabilize Iran and build a case for war.  How do you think PMOI/MEK recruited kids JJ?  How do you think Jundallah recruited JJ?  And so on ...    It's a cop-out to blame me -- because you damn well know that you bought the propaganda yourself and fell on the IRI's payroll yourself and have clearly stated the same before.  Now you pretend that people aren't swayed by the information they come into contact with (especially kids), including the "bomb Iran," "MEK is cool," "PJAK is cool" messages that end up on this site (your site) 24/7, right ?  The 1979 revolution was promoted and encouraged on cassette tapes smuggled into Iran and played to the youth and kids; and you know it JJ.  A tool one million times more powerful -- like internet content or glitzy TV shows funded by foreign governments -- can't play the same role as the cassette tape JJ?  

  ==================  by Jahanshah Javid on Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:54 PM PDT

BB... the "kids" are going to jail in Iran not because somebody on iranian.com or the BBC or VOA encouraged them to resist. They are in prison because they are being mistreated on a daily basis by the Islamic Republic, because they cannot speak, because they cannot write, because they are being forced to live under a theocracy. Because any kind of dissent is treated as an act of treason.

Get your priorities straight. Stop turning a blind eye on what Iranian thugs are doing to Iranians inside Iran. Stop blaming foreign instigators for the crimes being committed in the name of religion.

STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR TYRANNY, by anyone, under any guise.

Get your priorities straight

BB... the "kids" are going to jail in Iran not because somebody on iranian.com or the BBC or VOA encouraged them to resist. They are in prison because they are being mistreated on a daily basis by the Islamic Republic, because they cannot speak, because they cannot write, because they are being forced to live under a theocracy. Because any kind of dissent is treated as an act of treason.

Get your priorities straight. Stop turning a blind eye on what Iranian thugs are doing to Iranians inside Iran. Stop blaming foreign instigators for the crimes being committed in the name of religion.

STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR TYRANNY, by anyone, under any guise.

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Be ware those awkward comments will some day be used against some one !

just read an article about jihadi jane that lonely philadelphia women and an unknown !! user chatting with a then 15 yrs old turns out to be an smart... pakistani was trying to solicit money for recruiting her.......

you may know the story.

Maziar

Thanks for your honesty JJ ... but a serious question.

" by Jahanshah Javid on Sun Aug 28, 2011 09:52 AM PDT Darius, the Islamic Republic is not entirely untruthful about foreign powers funding opponents and interfering in Iranian internal affairs. But they use that as an excuse to suppress all dissent. "

  But don't you think then that there's a moral responsibility here JJ due to the following?   Certain Users on this site actively encourage that type of behavior ("bomb Iran" - "support MEK" - "support separatists" etc.) -- there are plenty of concrete examples of it. They are preaching this to every Iranian kid reading the internet and some dopey kid may end up buying the propaganda and get into serious trouble in Iran. Don't you think it's up to us in the Iranian community to not let them proselytize to kids that may get into trouble in Iran?  It's a serious question; because there are plenty of parents without their children in Iran and some were rounded up because of these techniques. I'm not trying to put you on the spot JJ (you can email me privately if you want), but I'm really concerned with what some of what I've seen here.    

He himself, was a puppet of America

Dear  Arj,

If it wasn't only for you, i wouldn't leave a word of comment under this absurd video which has been featured here for at least 10 times, since 4 years!

It is really disappointing to see a bunch of of old imature children, gathering here almost everyday to review Toudeh's behavior and motivation.

I think it is becoming an old habit, or better said a kind of sickness for these people to ruminate the past.......

It seems that they do not have neither the intelligence nor the courage to confront the present.

And they always give  the excuse of :gozashteh cheragh raahe aayandeh ast!!

One should remind them that, for the blind people, not only cheragh but even the torch is inutile! They have never seen anything in the past, they don't see anything in at the present, they will never see nothing in the future !

JJ Jan See What I mean ? ;0))

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

;O) 

JJ

You have to admit the Shah, while autocratic, at least had benevolent social policies and strived to advance Persian/Iranian nationalism.  Whereas Khomeini was simply a crude, violent, anti-Iranian traitor who used peoples' faith in religion as a rope with which to strangle them.

JJ comparing the late shah with IRI is disingenuous inmy opinion

I'm not convinced that the shah or iranians could have done better than he and his system did.

And I'd like to know what basis you have for labelling the shah a dictator, please list the acts. The Tyranny you speak of as opposed to oppression which existed in Iran and the west?

Would you label Obama a Dictator?

Relevant article On America, surely shah was far better...

//iranian.com/main/blog/boosboos/iranian-...

Well written article on JJ's and other Iranians thought process...

//www.amiran.com/Sphinx/home.htm?pagetwo.htm~...

Thanks,

The question is, what kind

The question is, what kind of alternative to the "Tudei ha-ye bivatan" did he allow? What platform did those independants and not "servants of foreigners" who were critical of his policies from the left of the center, or even those opposing his land reforms from the right of the center, had at their disposal to express their views?! Were there any independant parties or organizations allowed to form in order to reflect the public opinion.? Or did the annual pro-Shah rallies, that repeatedly saw the javid-Shah-chanting crowd on the streets, sufficiently represnt the opinions of nearly 40 million people?!

It's typical of all dictators to see themselves as the moral compass of the society, hence the center of gravity for all socio-political developments of a nation. In other words, they see temselves as reflection of the nation! Therefore, in such an imaginary unison, existence of any medium is deemed unnecessary and even perceived as an obstacle! This indeed is tantamount to formation of a cult of personality which in its newest form has been manifested in Khamenei's "zob shodegan dar velayat!"

JJ Jan Mageh Man Harfeh Deegaryee Zadam ? ...

If not Please Carefully Check the Links I provided ...

ahosseini & Simorgh5555: What is it your don't Understand ? ;0)

But It's one thing to wishfully suggest that everyone has to be accountable and another to effectively suggest a practical path or at best a constructive one towards achieving an Accountable System of Government with Checks and Balances ...

Be it in our lifetime ...

Other nations which had to put up with equally brutal and undemocratic dictators found a correct path or at least one which best fitted to their own reality and collective experience ( and disappointments) as a nation and which ultimately put them on the Right Track ...

HISTORY FORUM: Franco's Ghost- Spain's Painful Road Towards National Reconciliation

RESTORATION: Britain's 'Glorious Revolution' of 1688 and the 'Bill of Rights'

We On the other hand are just stubbornly arguing 32 years on ...

PRIMARY COLORS: Reza Pahlavi and Trita Parsi Take a Stroll Down The Political Lane ;0)

So Should it be With or without Pre Conditions this time round ? ...

Since you are here, JJ....

What happened to the much-anticipated changes to the IC? Will they be implemented anytime soon, or just forgotten in the most irooni style?

Sorry for the off-topic......but futuristic, I'd say...........

Khamenei is not entirely wrong, either

Darius, the Islamic Republic is not entirely untruthful about foreign powers funding opponents and interfering in Iranian internal affairs. But they use that as an excuse to suppress all dissent. They kill and jail those who question Velayat e Faghih and silence a whole nation to "protect" them from a bunch of mercenaries.

Neither the Shah nor Khamenei are absolutely wrong. But they are absolute dictators.

This blind, absolute loyalty towards leaders past and present, gets us nowhere. It allows regimes to continue imposing their rule on the people without accepting responsibility or accountability.

Ladies; perhaps A blog on Tudeh Party...

Is well overdue. The positive role it played (no sarcasm intended...) in introducing modern ideas of women emancipation and participation, labour unions, socialism, etc. Plus it's negative impact (expressing my own opinion), by actively supporting khomeini's rule, and it's subservienece(My own view again) to Soviet Union during the rule of both "monarchs", shah and khomeini.

P.S. My call is to "ladies"(and gents) with true, rather than pretence past affiliation to Tudeh ...  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Nothing

Don't say a word, Pendar. You can't say one thing against the crimes committed by the Islamic Republic, even under the cover of anonymity. Mashallah beh oon ensaaf o ensaaniyatet.

That's how loyal you are, how much you care about those who have suffered and are suffering under this horrible regime. Now go cry a river over your childhood friend.

sweet salt

how true the dirty minds of some <Iran haters> and< pahlavi bashers> are still idle even after all these years and all the miserable events brought to Iran & Iranians for all the reasons stated by many even the late shah included.

he shoudl have been more firm with the non intervention of religiouse khorafat with the daily lives of peoples and politic.

may god bless his soul and offer a better solution to free our motherland    Amen  

 Maziar

What can I say, JJ?

I'm doing my best to be a good citizen.......but your latest hit, Your Majesty, was an overkill..............for just one lousy comment.........one short self-censored sentence...she was sent to the Gulag...........Some mercy, Your Majesty........She was my childhood sweetheart.........

Except that Unlike Jon Stewart he wasn't Entirely Wrong ...

Except that Unlike Jon Stewart he wasn't ignorantly making False claims ...

CLUELESS JON STEWART: "Ebrahim Yazdi Such a Lovely Man"

Nor was he entirely wrong ...

pictory: Yazdi, Castro and Pretty Interpreter (1978)

pictory:Yazdi Meets Castro, Cuba (1980's)

pictory: Ahmad Khomeiny Training with Cuban guerrilla fighters (mid 1970's)

pictory: Ahmad Khomeiny receiving RPG-7 training in Lebanon (mid 1970's)

BITTER LESSONS: Sailors Convicted of Sabotage Face Firing Squad (1953)

HISTORY OF VIOLENCE: IRI's Reign of Terror Begins (BBC Report 1979)

pictory: Soviet Propaganda Film - Iran, Tabriz 1945-46

Recommended films On Cold War Era Politics & Terrorism:

The Baader Meinhof Complex (TRAILER)

CARLOS - THE JACKAL: Olivier Assayas' Bio Epic on Carlos and the OPEC Hostage Taking

Related Blogs:

Crown Prince Reza on importance of "Checks and Balances" of future regime

ROYAL ACCOUNTABILITY: Crown Prince Reza on Torture During His Father's Rule

But not Khamenei?

Still stuck in the Shah's time, Pendar? Were rulers before 1979 the only dictators? What was Khomeini? What is Khamenei, who can't even tolerate loyal servants of the Islamic Republic like Mousavi and Karroubi, let alone the rest who question his authority.

Continue to obey, good citizen :)

My favorite "avatar-killer" is correct

"In the case of the Shah, all who opposed him were accused of either being puppets of the Soviet Union or the British or some unspecified generic foreign hand."

He lost His throne to Himself and His own corrupt family.This is a fact that his retarded son is incapable of acknowledging.