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May I borrow your translator LOL

What proof?

The blog repeats exactly the same thing you had posted before (in fact, they're copy/pastes) -- Julian Amery's claim dating back to summer 1980, before Saddam attacked Iran.
Have someone translate it for you.
Toodle-pip.

Septicimia and Mash Parham

spatima

Funny thing is, that blog doesn't even say much! Did you read it? It's all a rant about being attacked by someone because of something the guy said...
Incredible. Mellate Iran when they want to sully someone, they'd just resort to ANYTHING, just ANYTHING...

@Anglophone

Your probably an old man who gets a turn on at the thought of decent iranians being engaged in un-nationalistic acts. Moreover, with your citation habbits (blogs, bureaucrats and etc...) I am almost certain you are an uneducated grumpy man. If you are trying to make an academic argument, dont tell me to go READ a blog. You have challenged a figure's opinion on another character (in this Bakhtiar on Saddam) and refuse to accept an audio evidence from Bakhtiar himself denoucing Saddam. IN return, you seem to me more convinced with what a guy says on an online blog. In your distorted mind, maybe this is the most logical conclusion, but if you actually spend some time to EDUCATE and INFORM yourself maybe we'd be living in a better Iran. 

you have no proof, all your evidence is heresay from other people's comments. IF YOU ACTUALLY took the time to listen to the link I provided you, YOUD hear Dr Bakhtiar denoucing Saddam the very same way he denounces your masters. Whats ironic is that your counter-proof is just a shitty online website, which god knows who funds?

 Doorooghgo, 63 darsadet ko?

p.s khodet ham inja jer bedi, iran 30 sal dige seculare.  

In a hope of a FREE DEMOCRATICand SECULAR iran. 

In hope of a Free, Independent and Secular Iran

Cherry picking, huh?

Please quote the part you're talking about.

Also, all, please note that all those citations in the previous post have been reduced to ONE claim from the same documents that were brought up from the beginning!

I'm waiting for that quote, your ONE claim to proof. Come on, smart man.

This is only a selected part of the released document ...

which relates to the appointment of Bakthiar as prime minister and NOT about the time after Bakhtiar's fleeing Iran and arrival in Paris. These documents were complied by Majid Tafreshi as I reprted them in my earlier coments.

Parham is now cherry picking.

What about the parts of the document that quotes Julian Amery and Peter Temple-Morris account of their meeting with Bakhtiar and Bakhtiar's admitting to have met Saddam in Baghdad and received "support" from him?

see the links in my previous comments as I am getting tired of the Bakhtiar-allahi cultists.

FYI (everyone's)

This is what has been uncovered mostly from the released British national documents.

If you can read Farsi, that is.

nasrin noor

Absolutely agree 100% re cultism. Just watch not to fall into it yourself!
I'd say someone who, without having consulted the documents barges in and calls them "a breath of fresh air" is probably more inclined to have given way to cultism than someone who has, wouldn't you??

And since anglophile posted his other message here, here's my reply to him there:

anglophile

Lay your proofs on the table.
As they say, "put up, or shut up." : )

Dear Ms Noor

Thank you for your educated and dignified reply to Parham. Here for your ease of access I reprint the reply I have given to similar attacks by Parham on his own blog:

... showing the smiling late Bakhtiar and the grinning late Saddam shaking hands with Saddam holding a cheque for ten million dollars in favour of Bakhtiar! I guess by your Daijan Napoleonic criteria nothing less than that is proof enough of Bakhtiar's receiving financial aid, among logistics (Baghdad Office and Radio station) and other things, from Saddam. Oh, even with such an imaginary clip I am sure you will say, that was not the real Saddam but one of his imposters LOL.   Sorry old chap but the writing is all over the wall. From David Alliance's lobbying for Bakhtiar to have the British getting Saddam to support Bakhtiar to Amery's and Temple-Morris's accounts of their meetings with Oveissi and Bakhtiar to Andrew Withley's reports to the British FCO, all and all show (without might orperhaps or maybe) that both Oveiss and Dr B had been recepients of Saddam's generosity. Even Dr B has been reticent to condem Saddam (his benefator) outright and considered Khoemini (and quite rightly so) and much more dangerous enemy.   There is a new genre of -allahis being born these days: Bakhtiar-allahis. You fellows by your blind support are doing more damage to the status of the late Bakhtiar than protecting him. You fellows should say: yes he did receive funds from Saddam. So what?   Even the ardent Mussadegh-allahis like Fariba Amini have accepted that Bakhtiar received supports and funds from Saddam, I suppose Ms Amini's father was much closer to Dr B than yours LOL.

//iranian.com/main/blog/parham-6

yeki az be orzetarin mardome donya!

After seeing what is going on in Syria and what happened ( or did not happen) in Iran , now I know why Iranians lost to arabs/mohammads army 1400 years ago!

vaghe an mardom e bi orzei darim!!!

Dear Mr. Parham, Thank you for the suggestion.

I will review the documents.

More importantly, however, is what Mr. Anglophile, was trying to point out that the "cultism" mentality among the fellow Iranians has divided us to the point of coming close to becoming extinct.

This divisive disease has caused us dearly over the past 60-70 years. There is no need to insult anyone here, what we need instead, is to keep an open mind to possibilities.

anglophile

Nowhere in the declassified documents will you find proof that Bakhtiar was getting funded by Saddam. If you have, please show, link or quote them.
You'll only find him saying that he won't rule that out when Amery asks him at a meeting sometime in 79 or 80, before Saddam attacked Iran.
Amery at one point also thinks Bakhtiar and Oveyssi are (both) getting funded by Ashraf. These are only hints and wild guessing, despite the fact that you might not like that. I'd suggest dealing with it.
And no more personal attacks based on the fact that I once said that one of my sources of historical facts was my father, who was there at many instances. I will not tolerate that any longer.

nasrin noor

I'd suggest you actually take a look at any document before you compare it to a breath of fresh air. You might save your lungs from the horrible smell of rotten eggs, spread usually by the presence of our local Churchill wannabe. : )

Quite right Ms Noor!

Dear Fond of English Culture (Anglophile):

I assume the resources that you are quoting from are fully verifiable as well as authenticatable!

I don't believe you are, by any means, assailing or diminishing the character and integrity of the late PM Bakhtiar or General Oviesi.

You are simply stating the facts as to how the Iranian oppositions in the 1980's were trying to scramble resources and funds in order to carry out their resistance against the Islamists. And, there is nothing wrong with that.

After all, all struggles against dictatorships must be supported by some means and through some resources! 

Your factual approach in analyzing and synthesizing the contemporary Iranian politics and historical events is like a breath of fresh air.

Bakhtiyar was A Charismatic Leader.

Irans was on its way to producing more people like him, a tragedy that khomeini lied and hijacked the country.  As an opposition figure, he was one of the few that worked within the law, upheld the law and fought cleaner than most.

I'm begining to think that iranians problems lie maybe in not having the right type of idealist that many will unite behind.  He was an obvious target, because his noble nature was very unpolitical and attractive.  He could bring people to work together and cooperate.

If he had come to power in say 1970 to 1972 Irans fate would have been very different. 

Did you notice

that at each time one of the opponents of this mulla's  'jo'ar va fessad' gouvernement is  glorified some unknown scatterbrained comes and slander these guys

The question here is, why the regime is still afraid of zendehyad Dr. Bakhtiar, even after 20 years? In my guess the answer is simple and that's because the majority of Iranians are unanimously saying what Dr. Bakhtiar was preaching at his time: Democracy

Dr. Bakhtiar would be glorified timely for what he yearned for our country

سعدیا مرد نکونام نمیرد هرگز // مرده آنست که نامش به نکویی نبرند

White wash brotherhood is at it agian!

Septecimia

Parham

With respect to your Mosaddeq-worshipping credentials!!, and your white wash encyclopedia of Mossadeq (and now Bakhtiar) - I am talking about Parham senior - the British government public records archives contain records of the internal correspondence between the government and their staff and operatives. These are reports intended for "internal consumption" by the British governmentc and not for whitewashing or blackwashing purposes that you have made it a family business of yours.

Julian Emery (later Lord Emery) did not "claim" or "wild-guess" his findings as is a habit of your whitewash machine. He reported his findings  to his government based on his factual meetings with Shapour Bakhtiar who had admitted to receiving funds from Saddam after meeting him in Baghdad.

The Brits may fool others, but they don't fool themselves.

Read the findings of another Iranian historian for further education on this topic.

Besides, if you have your Parham senior, I have the closest source to Bakhtiar, his cabinet minister, who travelled with him to Baghdad. The funds kept coming to Bakhtiar's bank accounts well after the commencement of the war with Iraq. So much for your encyclopedia LOL.

Lastly old chap,,

Bakhtiar NEVER denied receiving funds from Saddam.

Think about it.

Dr. Bakhtiar was right, Iran didn't want Islamic Republic.

Rest in peace Dr. Bakhtiar, your place in history will be preserved forever. You risked everything for what you believed, that showed your love for your country. Traitors and cowards that gunned you down, are just that, TRAITORS & COWARDS.

Hamid, 

Zendeyad Dr.Shapour Bakhtiar

will be remembered as one of the most important Iranian intellectual and hero who stood against villians and Yazidees and Vakili  will be remembered as the "Shemre zamneh."

Re: Bakhtiar and Saddam

Keep in mind that those documents Radio Zamaneh talks about are based on Julian Amery's claims --and in the case of Bakhtiar receiving money from Iraq, just a wild guess by Amery-- and they only date back to summer 1980, before Saddam attacked Iran.

Report says some have "accused" him, an "accusation" isnt a fact

 @Anglophone

I dont know how much you get paid by Savamai but Im willing to double it if you actually decide to educate yourself.

BBC report says some have accused Bakhtiar of helping Saddam, by this they mean Banisadr and IRGC, which indisputably both are extremly scared of Bakhtiar's legacy. A simple historical evidence here can prove that their accusations are false.

this is Bakhtiar's interview on the war with Iraq

Looks to me, he thought saddam is as much of a lunatic as khomeini

stop spreading lies, Bakhtiar was a great man.

//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2011/08/110729_l10_bakhtiar_on_iran_iraq_war.shtml 

In a hope of free, democratic and secular Iran!

Leave

it up to BBC to tarnish the image of some of the greatest patriots in contemprory Iran, Dr. Bakthiar and General oviesi.  Niteher men had any links to Iraq or sadam.Both men were stunch nationalists. oviesi's base of operation was in eastern Turkey and untill Turks shut it down Iranian liberation Army did it's best to inflitrate Iran.  Baktiar base was in paris and he surley did his best to change things. Rooh in mardan bozorg va mihan parast shad.

Bakhtiar and Saddam

Nojeh

Didn't have anything to do with Iraq - neither did Bakhtiar! So much for the BBC report...