Parham

Mash Churchill

Your Majid Tafreshi doesn't provide ANYTHING as proof, and doesn't even claim much!
Like I said, provide quote(s).
I'm getting tired of this, you know?

Mossadegh

Was a patriotic Iranian I do not question it. The problem I have is with those who canonize him as a Saint. He was a man and a good one. But he made mistakes and was a bit of an autocrat. 

None of these takes away from his love of Iran. I think both Mossadegh and Shah loved Iran. Both made mistakes and paid for them specially when they went against Britain. I want to be accurate in our views. Mossadegh as good man but not a Saint.

anglophile

Just for the record I do not support the 1953 coup. It was wrong and I oppose it. Just because I question Mossadegh does not mean I want UK to meddle in Iran. They should have left us alone. It was our business not theirs.

anglophile

First of all stop insulting me or making fun. It is unbecoming.

Second: Churchill did not love Iran. If he did why did he force Reza Shah to go? He wanted one thing and that was "oil".

By the way I am not anti-Mussadeghi; I just do not worship him. I am not naive and very familiar with Britain. I spent a lot of time there. My family had very close ties to high level British insiders. I know what they were up to then and now.

Dear DNK and Mash Parham LOL

Daijan Napoleon of Khorasan (DNK)

I have left message for you on the burkah arrest in Paris. Take look. BTW, Churchill loved Iran, that is why he helped Mohammad Reza Shah return to Iran in 1953. As an anti-Mussadeghi you of all people should appreceite that.

And as for Mash Parham (the new side kick to DNK)

see the full ddocument by Majid Tafreshi in my link Mash Parham and don't sanitise the documents.

FYI

This is what has been uncovered mostly from the released national British documents.

Dear anglophile

All I got here is your word. No proof; no evidence. Plus even if he did take money from Saddam so what? He did nothing to harm Iran. Very much the opposite Shapur Bakhtiyar paid for his life for Iran. Will you?

In addition using the picture of an Iran hating racist "Churchill" does not help you. It detracts from your credibility and puts your motives in doubt. I tell you I do not believe one thing that comes out of England specially BBC.

England should keep its paws off Iran and our politics. Not one single word from them has any value. They already dd plenty of damage to the world and it is time for them to go away.

anglophile

Lay your proofs on the table.
As they say, "put up, or shut up". : )

There is no video clip I am afraid :))

Parham

You obviously know more about this than I do. Nevertheless I would like to also see proof. By the way even in the unlikely event that he did it does not matter to me. Bakhtiyar was a great man. He did what he could to save Iran.

More than me and many others. Taking money from an enemy does not matter; it is what you do with it that matters. 

Prophet

I had heard such allegations. One was from Bani-Sadr, another from someone who was with Bakhtiar for years but then sold out to the Islamic Republic and returned to Iran.

I am still willing to accept them if I see any concrete proof. So far, I haven't seen any.

Re: On Bakhtiar being funded by Saddam

I had never even heard such an allegation til now. It on the face sounds like bull ***. Knwoing the type of man he was I find it hard to believe this. I therefore must agree with Parham. 

Show proof and real one or please withdraw the allegation. This sounds more like an attempt to tarnish a Great man. Where is proof!

VPK

Re: On Bakhtiar being funded by Saddam

Funny, nothing in what's posted has any proof to Bakhtiar being funded (either before or after) by Saddam. The released Brit documents only recount Julian Amery (an ex British parliamentarian)'s report on his meetings with Bakhtiar and Oveyssi, and his inability to find out where the two were getting their funding, and hinting/wild guessing that they might be getting funded by Saddam and/or Ashraf Pahlavi. All of this in the summer of 1980, before Saddam's attack.

Show me one place in any document where it shows Bakhtiar was actually being funded by Saddam before, during, or after (as claimed below) the eight year war (that's besides Bani Sadr's usual mumbo-jumbo)!

On Bakhtiar being funded by Saddam

My respect for Bakhtiar is not reduced by the fact that he received subtantial funds from Saddam before and after the war with Iran. BUT we should not allow the cult of human-worship blind us to the truth and force us to denial. Here is an except for a BBC Persian interview with Bakhtiar:

مصاحبه بی‌بی‌سی با بختیار

روز ۲۴ جولای ۱۹۸۰/ ۲ مرداد ۱۳۵۹ (سه روز قبل از درگذشت شاه)، فریدون جاهد، خبرنگار بخش فارسی سرویس جهانی بی‌بی‌سی مصاحبه‌ای را با شاپور بختیار در پاریس انجام داد. این مصاحبه پس از مصلحت اندیشی با وزارت خارجه بریتانیا انجام و ترجمه متن کامل آن نیز برای وزارت خارجه بریتانیا ارسال شد.

این مصاحبه در حالی انجام شد که بختیار قبلا در دیدار با داوود آلیانس، رادیوی بی‌بی‌سی را "صد در صد طرفدار خمینی" نامیده و عنوان کرده بود که ایستگاه رادیویی سیار خود در ایران را برای خنثی کردن تبلیغات بی‌بی‌سی آماده راه‌اندازی کرده است.

در ابتدای این گفتگو، بختیار شایعه اخطار دولت فرانسه به او برای کنار گذاشتن فعالیت‌های سیاسی و یا اخراج را به کلی تکذیب کرد و همچنین ترور نافرجام او و ماجرای کودتای نظامی نوژه را بی ارتباط به هم دانست. بختیار ضمن تکذیب ارتباط خود با ماجرای نوژه، احتمال داد که نقشه ترور او مدت‌ها قبل از کشف کودتا طرح شده است.

بختیار در پاسخ به سؤالی درباره ادعای مقامات ایران درباره ارتباط بین کودتای نوژه و قصد اشغال ایران توسط عراق گفت: "من هرگز با اشغال ایران توسط عراق موافق نیستم، ولی متاسفانه ایران روز و شب به عراق حمله می‌کند."

خبرنگار بی‌بی‌سی مجددا پرسید: "آیا عراقی‌ها به شما قول چیزی را داده‌اند؟ بختیار پاسخ داد: "من از هیچ کس قول نمی‌خواهم، ولی منافع متقابلی وجود دارد و ما هر دو ضد رژیم خمینی هستیم

Also see: 

به پیغام رسان شلیک نکنید

Dear Princess

You are right. It does take Wisdom and most people do not have it. However it also takes hard work and courage. When Bakhtiyar took the job he risked his life. And paid for it very dearly. Many of us including myself love Iran. But I admit to not having done much other than post on IC.

It is the few who actually do something that become the greats. I know Bakhtiyar will be remembered as a great Iranian. I just hope we get a more like him. People did not appreciate him when he was PM. At least now I am happy to see all of us realizing what a gem he was.

Prophet

We might have plenty of people who truely love Iran, but I am not sure about their wisdom. Wisdom goes a lot futher than mere love, and I am afraid the way I see it, true wisdom is as rare as gold when it comes to us Iranians and politics. I hope I am wrong.

Princess

Prophet

No problem!

Parham

My apologies if I misunderstood you. Maybe I was projecting my own thoughts. For me oil is a curse on Iran. Had it not been for oil Mossadegh would have not been overthrown and the coup would not happened.

We would very possibly have a democracy right now in Iran. Honestly I want to *** on the oil. *** the oil that brought CIA and coup and all the things you know very well. Apologies to Parham.

Another link

Gooya published this one yesterday -- also interesting:

//news.gooya.com/politics/archives/2011/08/12...

Prophet

When did I say that?? I just quoted Human Bakhtiar saying if secularism is not more important than the nationalization of oil, it's not less either.

روح آقای بختیار شاد و راهش ادامه دارد...

همچنین، روح  صد‌ها هزار دیگر از  هموطنان شهید ما از سلطنت طلب، ناسیونالیست، مجاهد، بهائی، مسلمان، مسیحی‌، کمونیست، کرد، بلوچ، اصفهانی، آذری، گیلکی، زن، مرد، بچه، جوان، پیر....... که جان پاک خود را فدای راه آزادی و استقلال ایران از این رژیم منفور فاشیستی اسلامی کردند شاد و راه سرخشان ادامه دارد تا سرنگونی این نظام فاشیستی اسلامی و مجازات سید علی‌ خامنه‌ای آدمکش   و دار و دسته اش...

A real hero

Masoud & ROOG

Masoud jan - It's all my pleasure.

ROOG - Many thanks for those links.
There's also a nice piece by Iraj Pezeshkzad in the Radio Farda and NAMIR web sites that's very interesting to read.

I know the link to the Radio Farda material doesn't work anymore, but if I try to correct it, this blog will get taken off the main page (don't blame me, it's the system)! So I'll just post it again here:

//www.radiofarda.com/archive/bakhtiar_assassi...

May he rest in peace!

متاسفانه در طول تاریخ، ایران دلسوز واقعی‌ که هم وطن پرست و هم دانا باشه خیلی‌ کم داشته، اون تکو توکی هم که داشته، مردم هیچوقت قدرشونو ندونستن، مثل این مرحوم. به امید روزی که ما قدر "جواهرات" نادرمونو بدونیم. روحش شاد و یادش گرامی‌!

Thanks

Parham jaan,

Thank you so very much for posting the video. I just finished watching it.  As time has gone by, my respect for Dr. Bakhtiar has greatly increased.  If people knew then what they know now, most would have supported him.  Bakhtiar was many decades ahead of others.

Best,

Masoud

Bani Sadr's interview with the BBC

Here is a rebuttal of Bani Sadr's interview with the BBC in the above link. This man has no shame and will not hesitate to rewrite history to suit his personal agenda.

You may have to copy and paste the link:

//www.namir.info/Neuer%20Ordner/04-Spalte%20Mitte/2011/08-2011-August/05-050811-%20jomhoori%20eslami%20ba%20(dadras).htm

A True Iranian Hero

I urge everyone to download and read his books. It not enough to call him a great man, we need to continue his legacy. 

Here are the links to the books: 

Yekrangi:

//www.amirshahi.org/Tarjomeh/yekrangi.pdf

 37 days after 37 years:

//www.shapourbakhtiar.com/Ketab.htm

Divaneh

My pleasure.

Thanks for sharing

Dear Parham, thanks for sharing the video. Very good interview. He certainly set an example of integrity, honesty and selflessness. Those qualities combined with his vision make him very rare.

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