MOJAHEDIN

VPK, NO NOT "POOR SADDAM"

VPK, NO NOT "POOR SADDAM" DIDN'T SEND AN EMISSARY TO
KUWAIT, BUT HE DID INFORM THE U.S. OF HIS PLANS TO INVADE KUWAIT. I
DIDN'T WRITE HISTORY, I JUST READ IT.

From
the Gulf War of 1991, to September 11, 2001, and the invasion, and
occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. government and major
news media have concealed the truth.

by Enver Masud

Read the whole article at the link below:

//www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0417-Deception.html

The Iran-Iraq war lasted nearly ten years and cost millions of
lives. In the end, Iraq won - or, more precisely, was less exhausted
than Iran. After some months of recovery, Saddam turned to collect
his prize. In his famous meeting with U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, 1990, just before the invasion, Saddam calmly explained his intention to invade Kuwait, and Glaspie,
not informed by the State Department that the policy had changed,
proceeded to give Saddam the reassurance of American support that had
been the U.S. policy transmitted by ambassadors and back channels for
a decade. . . .

What Glaspie didn't know. and what Glaspie
hadn't been told, was that the United States had never expected Iraq
to win and certainly was not prepared to let Saddam collect his war
prize.

---
[Dr. George Friedman's firm Stratfor
has been dubbed by Barron's as "The Shadow CIA." It has provided
analysis to Fortune 500 companies, news outlets, and the U.S.
government. This is an excerpt from Chapter 1: The Fourth Global War,
pages 19-21. Copyright © 2004-2005 George Friedman]

Below is portions of Dr. Friedman's book, titled: America's secret wars.

//www.twf.org/News/Y2005/1011-SecretWar.html

Saddam
Hussein in 1990 made the mistake - after informing in August 1990 the
American ambassador in Iraq of his intention to invade Kuwait, on old
historical arguments, and not receiving any opposition - that he might
get some compensation for his sacrifices in the war against Iran.
However, apparently a trap was set by the USA into it he run bluntly and
stupidly.

Above statement is exurbs from the link below:

//www.icti-e.com/Gyorgy%20Szell.html

Human Rights Abuses Inside the MEK Camps - UNHCR report

See UNHCR reports on(//www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,HRW,COUNTRYREP,IRN,,45d085002,0.html)  MKO Methodology, Rise of Dissent inside the MKO, Compulsory Divorce, Security Clearances, Human Rights Abuses in the MKO Camps and Testimonies.

This is what is being shoved our throats in place of IRI: "Replacing one undemocratic regime that abuses its own people with an undemocratic cult that tortures its own members is a recipe for disaster." 

PETITION - Tell the U.S. Government to Say NO to MEK

See full text & sign the petition at https://secure3.convio.net/niac/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=187

From NIAC site: Supporting terrorists and replacing one undemocratic regime that abuses its own people with an undemocratic cult that tortures its own members is a recipe for disaster. 

Tell Congress, the State Department, and the Justice Department: the Mujahedin does NOT speak for the Iranian-American community and does NOT represent Iran’s peaceful democratic movement.

July 7 - Picture of Mukasey taking instructions from MEK

Mukasey prepping to testify receives marching orders from "former" MEK  spokesperson Jafarzadeh

//twitpic.com/5mmncc

Ex-Officials Say They Were Paid To Attend Pro-MEK Events

//tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/ex-officials_say_they_were_paid_to_attend_pro-mek_events.php

Former Indiana Congressman Lee Hamilton (D) and former CENTCOM Commander Anthony Zinni told the Inter Press Service that they were paid to appear at recent events supporting the MEK, an Iranian opposition group currently considered a terrorist organization by the State Department. ..............................

AI

Regarding Iranian Power:

ME is better off with Iran in charge. Not IRI but a real Iranian regime like the Sassanids or Pahlavi. There are only a few real nations the regin:

•  Iran
• Russia
  
• India
• Israel
• China
• Japan
• Tibet
• Arabia
• Egypt
  

The rest are mostly BS. The real power in ME belongs to Iran and is the best for everyone. Americans get to pull out of their losing war in Afghanistan. Which will be reintegrated with Iran. Iraq for most part is Iranian territory. Ctesiphon is the Capitol of Sassanids and Parthians. Arabs get to run their own affairs. And Egypt would go through a renaissance and recover its true identity.

AI

Here we go:

• EU wants to keep Iran weak. Having MEK in power will split Iran up. It will weaken Iran as the British; French and the rest of them want. Who do you think was providing Saddam aka MEK with weapons: EU.
• If I had any brains I would support Reza Pahlavi whose father kept peace and security for 25 year. But EU is run by those who do not have sense. They want to create yet another Frankenstein. Already France is 10% Islamist. They want more? Do they want an Islamist Marxist enemy whom they deem as friends.
• No I do not. I want the Pahlavi foreign policy.

Too bad the AIPAC money and propaganda has rotted the brains of many people. Specially themselves. So they will continue the Jimmy Carter policy of Islamizing ME and bring hell on Earth onto themselves and the rest of us.

Dear VPK

Some questions:

1) Why have the Europeans started going easy on the MEK? Is that because of AIPAC as well. How would you explain it as Europe is not  friendly ground when it comes to Israel. 

2) If you were the US/EU. which Iranian opposition group would you back? Which ones are viable to support and fund in order  to piss off/pressure the IRI? 

Remember, Obama has tried the NIAC approach with IRI and it failed. Also, when it comes to the US,  it is widely accepted that the IRI has been playing a double game in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting insurgents/taliban/al queda. 

I know that you love Iran and fully respect you wanting to protect your motherland. But if you were a foreign country facing the IRI, what options do you have to combat its influence in the region?

3) Do you actually agree with IRI's foreign policy? 

I grossly neglected to

I grossly neglected to point out a very important fact and for that, I'm really sorry. Saddam Hussein was an evil man who died an easy death. In no way, form or shape did I intend to defend him or his actions, when I wrote about the circumstancse of the Iran/Iraq war. Niether do I have much sympathy for government of Kuwait for bank rolling Saddam's war against Iranians. I'm not an Arab, I say نه غازه نه لبنان تنم فدای ایران

Where does

MK gets his money?

• Grants from whom?
  • US government
  • MEK
  • AIPAC

Is there any difference?

Molla & MEK

• I normally disagree with Molla. But Molla does not spend millions of dollars buying US congressmen. He just posts pro IRI stuff on IC. He probably gets his money working like normal people do.
• MEK spends millions of dollars of AIPAC money aka USA tax payer. It spends it on wining and dining congress to buy votes. It is one sickening *** that sucks up Amerian money for its own purposes.

Gahr nakon Googooli, Magooli

hala chera ghahr kardi

You should know very well by now that you can not win every argument.

But the least one can do is to be man enough to accept their defeate with some dignity. and learn from their mistake

However I believe this line of communication has now been exhusted 

Hence this would also be my last comment

....

Listen koochooloo,

We Iranian Americans don't want to be represented here 

by Mojahedeen, a traitor to the Iranian nation.

An organization that keeps its own members captive according to Rand Corporation study. 

"the MEK suppresses and holds captive its own members - more than 70 percent of the MEK members in Camp Ashraf in Iraq are held there against their own wishes"  

Neither do we want to be represented here by Jebhe Melli, a dead and gone organization. 

Your histerical support for Mojahedeen does not change the facts.

Where do Mojahedeen get their financial support?

Israel?

Saudies?

U.S. states department?

All of the above?  

It's a legimitate question but since you're an immature individual you over react.

PS, where do you get your money? It shouldn't cost them much due to your low level of intelligence.

Where Does Mola Gets His Money?

Where does Mola gets his money?

1. IRI Ministry of Intelligence

2. IRGC Qods Force

3. Basij Cyber Army

4. Beyt Rahbari

5. Lebanese Hezbollah

6. HAMAS

7. Palestinian Islamic Jihad

8. Iraq Mahdi Army

9. NIAC

....

Trita Parsi indicates:

"Since early January 2011, the MEK has spent millions of dollars on lobbyists, PR agents and communications firms to build up pressure on Secretary Hillary Clinton to take the group off of the terrorist list. Their argument is that the MEK rejected violence and terrorism in 2001 and as a result should be de-listed."

Question:

Where do Mojahedeen get their money from?

Who is bankrolling their activities that comes to tens of millions of dollars?

Israel?

Saudies?

U.S. states department?

All of the above? 

ham jaan, mamnoon

Dear ham,

Thank you for your kind and generous words.

Best,

Masoud

Poor Saddam

I bet he also sent emissaries to Kuwait asking them to roll over! Poor misunderstood man. He was such a nice guy. We hateful Iranians just don't know how to appreciate him. Out of the mouth of MEK and its supporters.

The more I read the more learn about where MEK is coming from. And you people really want them to be your leaders? Might as well stay with IRI what's the difference anyway. Parsi bad Saddam good new MEK talking points.

Iranians

on IC appear more interested in fighting each other than either USA or IRI. All you have to do it so read this thread.

Mention NIAC and half the people go crazy the other half have heart attacks.

Now we got people openly siding with Saddam. I know everyone hates IRI. But to side with the guy who gassed the Kurds. That is really something wow! I am impressed with the hate.

Aryo, no I didn't respond to

Aryo, no I didn't respond to your post, but I did have a couple of communications with VPK. I agree with you on the war, furthermore, before the war, Saddam sent his envoy to Iran and asked Khomeini to stop supporting Shia extremists in Iraq. But Khomeini refused, much like Iran today, they want to fight the entire world. In the end the Iranian people will pay the price and there are Iranian Americans in high places, who are helping the IRI, i.e, N.I.A.C.

Some people

Just don't get it when you tell them you don't want tot talk to them.

For general cunsumption: if soneone wants to side with Saddam fine. Maybe they should post in saddam.com.

Dear Ham1328/VPK

VPK If I am recalling it right you were the one who opened the line of communication by responding to my first posting.

Now if the discussion became tough for you and you do not have any credible answers to my points that could hardly be my problem.

However I do agree with you in your comments in Iran/Iraq war and I say to Ham1328.

This war could have never happened while Shah was in power. Because at that time we had the fifth powerful army and the best fighter pilots in the world.

I still remember a few years before the revolution Iraqis shelled an Iranian border post. Janeral Ashari went to Shah and asked him if his majesty would like to have his lunch in Baghdad. Now the ironic thing was that Shah not only did not accept his proposal but also demoted him and told him that we might well be able to get to Baghdad by the noon but if even one of their bomber plinss pass our defences and get to Ababan, our efforts of 50 years would be wasted

However when Khomeini came to power the first thing he did was to destroy the Iranian army.

It started from the roof of Refah School where many of our best generals like Palizbaan, Nasiri, Khosro-dad and many more were murdered in cold blood and ended with Nojeh massacre where our best fighter pilots and Homafars were killed.

This was virtually an open invitation for Saddam to invade. Khomeini may not have started the war, but by destroying our defence he invited Saddam to do so.

Now if you read the memoirs of General Hauser you can find out that this war was in the long term plan of US and the West.

The root of the war was a border dispute over the ownership of River Arvand and marshes in Persian Gulf. But Saddam have never dared to attack Iran before the revolution which resulted in destruction of our army.

Even in spite of all shortage our boys fought well and pushed Saddam’s army back to the international borders. I know very well about the miraculous performance of the army and their achievements as many of my close family were in the army and I have even lost a few of them

After the liberation of khoram-Shahr and initial victories of Iranian side there was a UN resolution (United Nations Security Council Resolution 598) asking for the end of war. Saddam accepted the resolution immediately as he knew very well that he could not fight our boys. Even Saudi Arabia accepted to pay for all the damages.

If people in charge of the country were concerned about our national interest even a little bit. They could have got a good deal out of it by resolving the border dispute in favour of Iran and more importantly making sure that no other country would dare to name the Persian Gulf by any other name.

However the IRI scumbags were only thinking about their own interests as they realised that they can milk this war to their own interest by blaming any short-come due to their incompetency on the war. Furthermore they could use it as an excuse to silent any opposition and as a result some idiot traitor came up with the stupid slogan of

Raah-e Ghds az Karbala migozarad

And hence they continued the war for another ten years and killed over a million of our best boys, until in the end the idiot had to drank a Jaam e Zahr an end the war without getting any compensation or resolving the border dispute

Now I am very sorry if my response is to long for anyone to keep focused, but some issues can not be answered in a few short sentences.

So as I told before we need to educate ourselves as it has always our problem that people open their mouth and express opinion about issues without knowing the first thing about them and as a result we are where we are today

Aryo

This is my last response to you. Please stop posting to me as I have no interest in any further interaction with you.

• Yes there are many gaps in my knowledge just like any other person. I am human and not an Imam like Rajavi! Sorry.
• But I do know a lot about MEK. I know they are run by Rajavi and I oppose their leadership. Their history is well know to me.
• I already responded to "Mehraban" about growing up. It is none of your or her business if I grow up. Maybe I want to be Peter Pan and remain a kid!

Over and out; please do not post to me any more.

ham1328

• Iran would have never been attacked if Khomeini was not in charge. But that does not mean it was Khomeini who started the war. If Shah or Bakhtiyar or  Bazargan were in charge there would have been no war.
• Khomeini did not start the war. But he did prolong it. He was in a position to accept peace early on. Plus reparations from Saudi and Kuwait. But he said no. So he bears some responsibility; albeit not the main one.
• NIAC is controversial. I agree but the issue here is MEK not NIAC. We need to decouple NIAC and MEK. You may be against both. There is no requirement for those who oppose NIAC to support MEK.
• MEK is supported by by AIPAC. They do not want a strong Iran. No matter who runs Iran. Whether it be JM; Pahlavi or IRI. They want Iran to be weak and their best bet is MEK. 
• Carter was and still is a political idiot. He made every mistake in the book. From destabilizing the Shah to actively supporting Khomeini. Then botching up the rescue by handing it to Ollie North! Whose allegiance was to Regan. I dare say rescue was deliberately botched to make Carter look bad and allow for Reagan to win. To this day he refuses to condemn IRI.
• Mehrdad is a good guy he is not an IRI official. He just happens to have his own opinions. I respect those but do not agree with some of them. But then that is democracy.

Dear VPK

Just as I suspected there are a lot of gaps in your knowledge about both IRA and MKO or the IRI propaganda machine.

I recommend to you to go back to the library and educate your self. And this is not a joke

I have no time to explain to you the history of MKO the reason for them fledging to Iraq or their alleged terrorist activities and its targets. If you are interested in the truth you will look for it and will eventually find it. Otherwise it will be a waist of time trying to explain things to someone who does not want to know

As for making insults and accusation the only accusations that I see here comes from your comment.

What evidence do you have on me being a member of MKO or an IRI supporter?

Do you even know who I am or what is my political back ground or what prices I have paid for a revolution that I did not even participate in?.

As I told you before

PLEASE GROW UP MATE

Good day to you sir

Dear Bavafa

Of course what you are saying is absolutely true. In order for any political group or faction to be able to participate in a democratic process they have to be able to demonstrate that they are not a violent group and will respect the rights of others to disagree with them.

Just like Sein Fein did, MKO or Taliban who have been engaged in a violent terrorist activities in the past, need to prove that they have changed their ways.

Furthermore the burden of proof lays up on their shoulders as it is them who have to prove they have changed their ways and not us having to prove they otherwise. And even then when in case they go back on their commitments they will be punished accordingly and excluded from any political process

All I am talking about is respecting all opinions and points of view and allowing them to be expressed without fear of reconciliation prosecution or discrimination. No one is being asked to select MKO or other groups as their political leaders, but those who choose to, should be free to do so

What we can not do however is to ban a political party and demonise a group of our fellow countrymen indefinitely without hearing their side of argument or allowing them to defend their records or show that they have changes.

Now! To be honest with you even I am surprised to find myself  defending the rights of such groups especially the likes of MKO,  as according to the records I have been in an ideological war with them for over 33 years now.

But at the end of they day I was faced with a question and a dilemma.

Either I am a true advocate of democracy and a real believer of equal rights for all, innocent until proven guilty and general human rights or I am not.

If as I claim to be, I am one then I am obliged to defend the right of all regardless of my feelings or personal opinion about them or their ideology

.

Furthermore it is vey easy to defend the rights of a conventional group like monarchists or Green movement and even easier to defend the right of heroes like Osanloo and other political prisoners as one gets no or very little opposition to that and most of time it is even fashionable to do so.

But the real test comes when one has to defend the human rights and political rights of the unpopular or even hated groups or individuals. When to do the right thing sometime means swimming against the tide of public opinion

That why for me this is not about one particular group but it is about believing in and upholding a set of principals without prejudice discrimination or preservation.

Dear VPK, you are a wise man

Dear VPK, you are a wise man and I like your thinking. I just posted a reply to Bavafa, indicating my thoughts on MEK. Everytime I see a picture of M. Rajavi, it reminds me of him shaking Saddam's hand. It makes me sick to my stomach. YES RAJAVI AND LEADERS OF MEK ARE TRAITORS AND DESERVE TO BE PUT ON TRIAL.

To Bavafa, the more I read

To Bavafa, the more I read your comments or rebuttals, the more you begin to sound like an IRI official. So, I just had to stop, specially when you didn't know if members of NIAC
can vote for president!! Yet, you support them blindly and invited
folks to join, so they could change it! But, you questioned my
credibility on the facts of Iran/Iraq war! I agree that MEK
is a terrorist organization and it's leaders are TRAITORS. I also agree
they SHOULDN'T be removed from a terrorist organization status. I
strongly believe that solid majority of Iranians would reject them in a
heart beat. But if we were to change from a dictatorship to a democracy,
we must not exclude any group that opposes this regime....

Bavafa & some of the younger readers who may not remember the circumstances,
when Iraq invaded Iran. September 20/1980 ten and a half long months
into hostage crises. Cold war was at it's height, Soviet Union had
invaded Afghanistan. Jimmy Carter low in polls, humiliated as a
president and had already failed a rescue attempt miserably was isolated
in oval office. Presidential election was just six weeks away....Do you
or anybody in his or her right mind could think that any government
would trade the Shah for hostages as Khomeini was demanding from U.S.?
Even crazier, Shah was already dead!!! I'm sure you must have heard of
the term "October Surprise". Well, there you have it, an idiot like
Khomeini at the helm, a desperate president in U.S. gives the green
light to Saddam to invade Iran. But, once again, Carter was wrong and
Iran didn't collapse as his team had expected. Can anyone say that Iran
would have been attacked if Khomeini had not created the environment
that brought on the war, death, causalities and destruction. Any leader
with some diplomatic sense and knowledge, would know better. Khomeini
was so stupid, that right after taking over wanted to sell all the F-14
air force jets! The same regime is still in power, those who promote
more trade and closer U.S. ties with them, have an obligation to Iranian
people.

Dear ham1328

JM support is well and fine. In fact among the opposition they are probably the most popular. So I agree with you on all accounts. But I make a distinction between MEK leadership and members. 

The former are criminals who should stand trial. The latter are regular people who should participate {if they want to do}. The main thing is not to let an ideology get mixed with actions of some people. A criminal is just that. I don't care if they are socialist; or capitalist. Many capitalists in America committed crimes. That does not mean we ban capitalism; it just means they get tried. A banker that steals goes to trial. But we don't ditch banking. So yes members may be in political process.

Mehrdad Jaan

Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate it

we may not see every thing eye to eye

We have enough in common to be on the same side: that of Iran. As long as we agree on that the rest is just a matter of preference. Someone may want socialized medicine. Others may want to encourage agriculture. But the main thing is we all love Iran.

Thanks,

VPK

Dear VPK, I agree with

Dear VPK,

I agree with you 100%. MEK must not have any association with JM. And I'm so glad to hear that our supporter(JM)are still out there and keeping the canlde burning. But in a democratic process, I believe everyone should paticipate.