NPR: Yesterday, during Dove World Outreach Center's Sunday service, without any publicity and under the supervision of Jones, Pastor Wayne Sapp soaked a Quran in kerosene for an hour, held an event he said was a "trial" for the Muslim holy book, and after the book was found guilty, Sapp set the Quran on fire using a barbecue lighter >>>
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by yolanda on Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:19 PM PDTTerry Jones got interviewed by ABC.....he said that he received many death threats......10 today......he said that he is not afraid and he is willing to die.......he carries gun with him:
//news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/terry-jones-receives-death-threats-24780307
Someone flagged my comments ? ;o)
by Rea on Sun Apr 03, 2011 04:37 AM PDTOr they've gone into a black hole of the virtual Universe ?
Never mind. I stand by what I said to Escape.
"Raul" says: "paki muslims"
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Sat Apr 02, 2011 05:01 PM PDT"Raul": Dont care what your real name is, but who pays you to come here and write disgraceful racial comments about Iranians and muslim people? why are you tolerated on this site? and most importanmtly why is it that avid supporters of the islamist regime seem to love you so much?!!
I'm sorry, but you are too transparent. back to basic training for you brother :)
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
3 year old Muslim girl knows her God
by Escape on Sat Apr 02, 2011 04:05 PM PDTIs not the God of Abraham.
They haven't turned her into a liar yet.
3 YEAR OLD MUSLIM GIRL YEARNS TO KILL INFIDELS
//youtu.be/ZjbJnZUJTYU
Re: Afghans react to Quran burning: at least 8 UN staff killed
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Apr 01, 2011 04:37 PM PDTWell here we go with the "religion of peace" meaning submission.
Huffington Post has an article on this. The comments are disgusting. I am not sure who are the real savages: The Taliban or their Liberal American friends.
Islam must be banned in all civilized nations.
Afghans react to Quran burning: at least 8 UN staff killed
by Reality-Bites on Fri Apr 01, 2011 01:07 PM PDTAnd at least 2 were beheaded.
//www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/asia/02afghanistan.html?_r=1&hp
David
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Apr 01, 2011 06:22 AM PDTIslam need to be circumcised (if at all possible), just as church has been for the most part since the renaissance.
The problem is that Christianity is growing another one :-)
Specially the nut jobs in the Bible Belt. They want to turn USA into Afghanistan or Saudi of course Christian version. What a bunch of *** heads.
VIDEO: Iranian woman burning Quran
by David ET on Fri Apr 01, 2011 03:31 AM PDTtaboo broken again:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f8WjdxXY3Y
I have a difficult time to decide to masturbate or burn a Koran
by comments on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:59 PM PDT:)
//ca.gawker.com/5773569/anti+gay-pastor-busted-masturbating-in-public
And how Paki muslims
by Raoul1955 on Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:28 PM PDTHave reacted to the koran burning:
On March 29, 2011:
//www.asianews.it/news-en/Third-church-attacked-as-Pakistani-extremists-declare-war-over-Florida-Koran-burning-21147.html
On March 28, 2011:
//www.asianews.it/news-en/Two-Christians-killed,-churches-burned:-extremists-respond-to-Florida-Koran-burning-21139.html
VPK
by David ET on Mon Mar 28, 2011 07:13 AM PDTI agree.
Islam need to be circumcised (if at all possible), just as church has been for the most part since the renaissance.
David
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Mar 28, 2011 06:57 AM PDTThere are many people who are as extremist and dumb as the next. Yes there are Christians who are very narrow minded and religious. They are based on a lot of myths. Very similar ones mostly added over generations.
There is no question the Christian fundamentalists prose a real threat to reason. So do all other fundamentalists whom put aside reason.
But there is still a difference and you can not deny it:
I can legally burn the American Flag or Bible in the USA. I may get *** for it but it is a legally protected right. I can make a movie making fun of Jesus and Moses anyone else.
I cannot burn the Quoran or "insult" Mohammad in a Muslim majority nation. Heck your own video post shows Jews are not allowed on the site of their OWN temple by their OWN government. Why: to appease Islamic fundamentalists.
Muslims by and large react mush more "forcefully" to anything they don't like. This is because of a basic difference in religious doctrine. They are all backwards but Islam takes way out there.
The 3 religions!
by David ET on Mon Mar 28, 2011 03:38 AM PDT//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjRjt0E6Avg
My Next Blog:
by David ET on Sun Mar 27, 2011 03:02 PM PDTHypocrisy for Dummies:
//iranian.com/main/blog/david-et/hypocrisy-du...
Yolanda
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Mar 26, 2011 06:11 PM PDTHi Yolanda
I have no doubt that Jones is a very nasty person. I have already said his act is wrong. He is deliberately provoking Muslims to violence. The aim is then to turn around and vilify them more. Thanks to good sense Muslims in USA have not made a big deal out of this. No riots; no crowds. Which exactly the right thing to do. It proves the opposite of what Jones says.
It proves that at least in America vast majority of "Muslims" are reasonable.This is the best way to ignore him. Muslims in other parts of the world as not always as moderate.
Now to my point on religion. My idea about religion has nothing to do with Jones. I do not base my agruments on Jones. I just do not think all religions are the same. I have given my reason for that and rest my case: :-)
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by yolanda on Sat Mar 26, 2011 03:54 PM PDTHi VPK,
He wrote a book called "Islam is of the devil"........it ranks #950,000 on Amazon.....here is the book review:
Don't give these morons the attention they so crave., August 13, 2010
Lies, misinformation, a third grade comprehension of the English language, September 8, 2010
Terry Jones is of the devil, January 19, 2011
Yolanda
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Mar 26, 2011 03:21 PM PDTThe reason for the burning is obvious: to enrage Mulims. To Insult them and goad them into violence. Then he could say "I told you". I would never burn the Quoran; American Flag or perform any other action like this.
However I totally disagree with the assertion that religions are the same. People my say what they want. But if you read the books Islam and Christianity are not the same. Saying something over and over does not make it real. It just means repeating the same thing.
Religious Mutilation
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Mar 26, 2011 03:16 PM PDTamong human race justifying anything and everything from discrimination and mutilation and
Well I know the Islam part only too well by personal experience. Whenever I go to call of nature I see the results of it on my own Johnson.
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by yolanda on Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:47 PM PDTHi! David,
Your posts are great! I don't understand what Terry Jones wanted to accomplish? He wanted to show that his God is the only true God by burning Koran? He wanted to covert Muslims to Christians? He wanted to win over Muslims?
What I know is that his actions have united everyone including Obama, Clinton, Pallin, Gates, Petraeus, and Pope........they all told him that it is a bad idea to burn koran!
The guy is not done yet......he is going to a Dearborn Michigan mosque and protest more......
//www.freep.com/article/20110324/NEWS05/103240528/Quran-burning-pastor-lead-mosque-protest
Last time, I checked, 8000 hits for the Koran burning video, 96 dislikes and 69 likes.........close to 60% of people don't like the Koran burning video!
VPK
by Escape on Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:45 PM PDTYea VPK Alot of people here think Judaism and Christianity are just as bad aS Islam.
That's some thick wool over the eyes considering during February 2011 there were 134 Jihad attacks in 20 Different countries (Yes different) attacking 5 different religions (yes different) leaving 565 dead bodies..
With critically injuring 1058 PEOPLE..
LAST MONTH
//www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Since these people weren't Muslims in Gaza getting killed 4 years ago,it doesn't matter.
Burn a Quran and it's big news.As far as I'm concerned these Muslims and their B.S. are
A L L T H E S A M E
God created man in his own image or was it other way around?
by David ET on Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:03 PM PDTDear Soosan
Thank you for your kind words. It is an interesting subject indeed but I am not sure if it deserves its own blog at this point while people in Syria, Libya, Bahrain, Iran, Yemen,..... are facing bullets , bombs, prisons and tortures....
I am told how good Christianity or Judaism are vs. Islam , I then see FOX media , Catholic Church or the situation of people in Gaza!....and say NOT !
God created man in his own image or was it the other way around? I always wonder!
You got a wikipedia link for that one?
by Escape on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:32 AM PDTsmart guy?
You got a wikipedia link for that one?
by Escape on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:32 AM PDTsmart guy?
You admit finally it's not the same God
by Escape on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:31 AM PDTAfter writing this
referring to god of abrahamic religions...
What don't YOU get?
WOW ..... David
by Soosan Khanoom on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:27 AM PDTRight on points.......... I think it deserves its own blog ...... Could you please create a blog for it? ... Then everyone can stop by for further discussions .........
Both Abrahamic and Non Abrahamic religions are saying the same thing ..... but who is there to listen .... their followers are too busy fighting each other ........
The two principles:
1) Treat people the way you want to be treated
2) you reap what you sew
ok now ....... I am out of here
God created man & man created religions & the rest is history
by David ET on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:12 AM PDTJews and Arabs are of the same race. Jews do not believe in Jesus. Christians and Jews do not believe in Muhammad.(none believe in Bahaism and so on.)
All 3 believe in Ibrahim although non accept one another.
Throughout history to TODAY all three have been responsible for so much division, destruction, torture, murder, massacre,.... among human race justifying anything and everything from discrimination and mutilation and
stoning, to massacre and child abuse to slavery to bombing to colonization to kicking people out of their homeland to suicide bombing ofAfricans, American Indians, Egyptians, Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Europeans, from Catholic Rome to Zionists to European Colonists, To Imperialists, to Islamic Republic to Al Qaeda all have been in it at one time or another , one way or another all either in direct name of religion, or justified by it.
As far as I am concerned ALL RELIGIONS ARE ``COOKED UP´´ some after the life of their messenger (
eg: Christianity), some during and after (eg: Islam) and all are guilty.Zoroastrians also had their share of abuse before the attack of Muslims and the list continues...
Of course those who believe in purity of their religion and beliefs , insist that they are the true and pure blah blah and the others are not...
As for what is knows as science, (history, philosophy, political studies, religions studies) the three aforementioned religions despite your belief or mine are called Abrahamic Religions:
Britannica: //www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/497132/p...Stanford: //plato.stanford.edu/entries/heaven-hell/
Wiki: //rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion
and the list continues...
PEACE
Religions ..
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Mar 26, 2011 08:25 AM PDTMy arguments are really on a different line than Escape. I view "religion" as a much wider group of spiritual beliefs than the "heaven and hell" ones. But even among those Zoroastrian is not Abrahamic. In fact Judaism got the convept of heaven and hell from Iranians after Cyrus freed the Israelites.
Abrahamic religions were originally Judaism and Christianity. In fact Jesus was a Jew and Christianity is a direct descendant of Judaism. Zoroastrianism developed on completely different lines originally. The similarities between them are due to close relationship between Israelites and Persians starting over 2000 years ago.
Islam was a creation of Mohammad and Salman Farsi who cooked it up. To do so they took some from Judaism; Christianity and Zartoshti. Then added various Arab and other elements resulting in the creation of Islam. The distinguishing factor between Islam and Abrahamic religions is the characteristics of God and his orders.
Islam says it is perfectly alright to conquer others; rob them; rape the women etc. It also promotes taking of captives as slaves and treats them as lesser and najis people. Now honestly if there is a God why would he send such a message. If there is no God then the whole thing is BS anyway and why bother arguing about it. My arguments assume there is a God. If so I just do not see the God of Christianity be the same as Islam. They are too different in action and guidance.
I am afraid in the attempt to bring people together we are overlooking reality. And reality dictates that there religions could not be about the same God. Jesus was about as for as you get from Mohammad.
Escape
by David ET on Sat Mar 26, 2011 07:11 AM PDTNO the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims are not the same. In fact God of no two persons are the excatly the same!!
As much as you wish to seperate these three religions from one another, they have more in common than differences. Even Christianity was used to be MUCH more militant than it is now . Of course Islam followed by Judaism are less tolerant .
But these three main religions believe to be decendents of Ibrahim and they are! As VPK stated there are so many other religions which are not....., and there are many religions that do not promote hell and burning in fire as punishment as these three Ibrahamic religions promote.
So when a non-tolerant Christian like this pastor ``burns`` Quran in fire after ``judgement``, he is acting as his ``God`` and in his mind using Ibrahamic God´s prescriptions.
Which part of above sentence you do not get, I am at loss!
By the Way
by Escape on Sat Mar 26, 2011 06:28 AM PDTThis thread has been on my mind.In fact I was driving by the Norooz flags yesterday in Westwood when this song came to me.I just could not stop
"A Quran jumping we will go,A Quran jumping we will go,Hi Ho the dairy-o Quran jumping we will go!!
Do you know the diff of your own name David and Muhammad?
by Escape on Sat Mar 26, 2011 06:12 AM PDTIt is ridiculous that I should give up and believe that the Islamic GOD is the same as the GOD of Isreal..Period.It's completely wrong.
I didn't know you were so stubborn David.
All your running around the point with 'what wikipedia says muslims believe' has been laughable.