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Mojtaba Atarodi: Charged with "buying scientific instruments"

University professor arrested in San Francisco area

Bloomberg: Iranian professor Seyed Mojtaba Atarodi is being held in a U.S. prison in California, federal prison records show. Atarodi, 54, is an associate professor in the electrical engineering department at Sharif University of Technology in Tehran and the author of dozens of scientific papers, according to the school’s website and his attorney, Matthew David Kohn. Atarodi is being held at a detention facility in Dublin, California, about 35 miles southeast of San Francisco, according to the U.S. Bureau of Prison’s electronic inmate locator. The Associated Press reported that Atarodi had been arrested and charged with buying scientific instruments from the U.S., citing a Sharif University spokesman who spoke on condition of anonymity. The AP reported that Atarodi appeared in federal court in San Francisco today at a closed bail bond hearing >>>

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirkabear4u

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

My indicators are private to me. I may share things with good friends. No thanks I am not interested in telling you. If you want find your own and good luck. As for your freedom of speech: fine. Go have fun.

 


amirkabear4u

VPK know-it-all

by amirkabear4u on

So please tell me what are your indicators, lets hope they are not like your other judgements, e.g.;

- according to your past comment 100 people died are less important than what golshifteh done.

- also you said that definition anyone may restrict speech by saying they got insulted. This is indeed one of the most prominent Islamist behavior. You are so fast in making conclusion that is unbelievable. I never said no speech, there is a difference between free speech and insult. So if I call you by names and say you are a low intelligent monarchist that takes me out of your islamist list does it. You do not know how wrong you are. If you are not sure you need to check first. From reading your comments and looking at my indicators you are an uneducated person who do not like religion, maybe a racist. Do you think this is correct to say? Do you like my freedom of speech.

WELL WHAT ARE YOUR INDICATORS?

 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirkabear4u

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You wrote that I call *anyone* I disagree with an Islamist. I disproved you. But I do call some people Islamists. It is an opinion and my right to have it. I base it on indicators that I worked out. Nobody has to agree with me.

Regarding SamSam: if you were truly for freedom of speech you would support it. I have in the past asked return of people I considered "Islamist". For example Sargord. But it appears that you only like freedom as long as it does not "insult".

By that definition anyone may restrict speech by saying they got insulted. This is indeed one of the most prominent Islamist behavior. They have thin skins and are always "insulted". Poor kids West is nice as long as it bends over for them.


amirkabear4u

VPK, when are you giving up your habit?

by amirkabear4u on

You said;

You got me mixed up with someone else 

No mate I have not, you have a habit of denying what you said before. Just to be polite I refuse to use the word lying. Every time you are stuck in a discussion you say when did I say this and that. The link below shows your comment expressig yourself replying to my comment (you may find it in page 6);

//iranian.com/main/2012/jan/golshifteh-farahani-poses-nudepage5 

About SamSam I do not know what he did to be band, therefore I really do not want to comment. But this is one of those issues I learned from IC. Being a nationalist does not give anyone to insult others. And it is usually directed towards muslem yet a lot of nationalist refuse to understand it is still considered as racist.

Fairness and Equality in Justice

 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirkabear4u

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You got me mixed up with someone else. I often disagree with Souri; HTG; sometimes with Vildermose and never called one an "Islamist". Show me where I called any of them. 

Regarding professors I rather trust my judgment. Not people I don't know on IC. Many professors are doing their job: teaching. Yes they go along with IRI to keep their jobs. It does not mean they support it anymore than Shah.

Regarding free speech. Glad you learned something. Hope you enjoy reading IC and will do so for years. Now if you really support free speech will you join in requesting to return SamSam. Please read this; put aside our differences; add your voice.

//iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh...


amirkabear4u

yes you are amazing VPK

by amirkabear4u on

if anyone who does not agree with you on this site is islamist but you say;

I do know professors teaching in Iran today. I know they are neither Islamist nor pro nuke.

In fact your comment could not be further than truth. If in some way a university prof is not agreeing to IRI they will not continue teaching. 

I should thank JJ for this site because I learned a lot about people and their understanding of free speach.

 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Vildermose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Apologies. I do not mean to direct my posts to you in particular. Rather I was trying to voice my ideas for all the readers. You of course have a right to do as you wish. Regarding professor I leave it to American justice.


vildemose

 Dear VPK: I told you from

by vildemose on

 Dear VPK: I told you from the outset, that I'm not an objective commenter when it comes to anything IRI-connected. I know I might be wrong but I'm too pessimistic. I hope I'm proven wrong and he is innocent.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Vildermose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Yes the whole point is that "we don't know" what he planned. In fact I don't know anything about him other than the news. But I will tell you things I do know. 

I do know professors teaching in Iran today. I know they are neither Islamist nor pro nuke. They are good normal people who love to teach and don't want to leave Iran. It is their home and they are not moving. Does this make them guilty? Not to me.

These people have to work for universities which are government run. Does that mean they are IRI agents? Not to me. Is a public school teacher in Iran an IRI agent? How about a fireman or a nurse? I only blame people where there is some proof.


vildemose

Dear VPK: Maybe he is and

by vildemose on

Dear VPK: Maybe he is and Islamist reformist who still believes in nuclear Iran, however, the regime threw him under the bus because of his political stance. Who knows? How do you know he was only here to buy things?? He might have been doing other things as well.

There have been many others who have done this in the past without US catching them. This guy just happen to be caught...Anyhow, these are speculation at best.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.


Souri

dear VPK

by Souri on

Thanks for having read that blog. My point of asking you to read it, was not for you to believe in what I said. The point was for you (and Faramarz and others) to not jump on  each time, saying : "if you have something to say about the Toudeh, then write your own blog about it, instead of complaining to others"

It was just to remind you that I have already did this, many times.

Thank you again.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Vildemose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Yes I do get why they want an operative here. Now assume they work really hard to get a high position guy. He might be able to identify the technology. But why should he do the buying?

He could just write down the what he needed and pass it on. Then let them worry about getting it. Why should a person at his position risk it. I tell you this make no sense.

Why not buy it in USA? That is obvious: because it gets him arrested. Plus why the heck does IRI spokesman go on and say he way buying it. Are they deliberately wanting to have the guy ***. It sure appears a set up by IRI to me.


vildemose

Dear VPK: I don't know how

by vildemose on

Dear VPK: I don't know how to answer your question. I don't know even know why he was in this country? why teach in the US? How did he get his position as a professor in the US? What university he was teaching at?

I also ask you why not buy it from US? Why not use him as a fall guy? Why not have operatives in the US, including legitimate scientists?? IRI has been making many mistakes lately and I'm not sure they always thing through their actions...

Note: Only a scientist will be able to understand and transmit the latest and cutting edge technology and research being done in USA. Only someone with his credentials will be able to get into innerworkings of technology research and development lab in the US. 

I'll wait for more info on him and his activities in Iran and US.

 A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Vildermose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You are right about not having an obligation. I could like or hate anyone I want. But there are some caveats and one question. I ask the question and leave the caveats because I am *very* curious what you think:

I am still wondering about why IRI sent him. Then thier spokesman implicate the guy. Why didn't they buy them from another nation. Why not order it from China. Or send a grunt to buy it. Putting aside personal feelings why did they send him.


vildemose

Dear VPK: You are

by vildemose on

Dear VPK: You are absolutely right on all accounts. However, when it comes to IRI, I consider them all guilty until proven innocent. Might not make sense to you or others but I really don't have any obligation to explain how I feel.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Souri

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I read your blog about Toudeh. It is very involved when you add in the posts. I am not old enough to know those things first hand. Therefore hoping to speak to my parents and get their point of view.

My father is very right wing so I know what to expect. My mother was a JM type so I will have that in mind. Once I take all that into account I will have a better feel. Meanwhile I am not going to make remarks without knowledge.

I do agree that people are quick to make remarks. By the way I don't really want to be tested in general. But I will make an exception and ask questions about your blog when I am ready.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Vildermose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

How do you know this guy is a terrorist; he has not got a trial yet. Did you read my posts about how strange the whole thing is? Why should IRI send the "main" guy. Then basically indicte him by their spokesman?

Doesn't this sound odd to you? Besides isn't a person innocent until proven guilty. What if someone accuses you tomorrow? Don't you want a fair trial or should that be good enough?

A relative of mine had a name similar to an IRI guy. He got stopped by immigration and held. By IC standards he should be in Gitmo now. By American standares he was investigated; the mistake found and released.


vildemose

NV: So sad. Throwing him

by vildemose on

NV: So sad. Throwing him under the bus...No loyalty among thieves and terrorists.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.


Nader Vanaki

درود بر دانشگاه شریف

Nader Vanaki


که به فاصله بیست وچهار ساعت این بابا رو از روی سایتش به کّل حذف کرد.  واقعاً دستخوش و دست مریزاد اقلاً یکی رو بفرستین آمریکا که دستگاهی که براتون خریده بود رو بیاره تهران. یا اگر عمّه یا خاله ای در حال سفر به تهران داره توی بار مسافریش بیاره.  در ضمن یادتون نره که مدّت زندان هم جزو سنوات خدمتی اش حساب میشه و یادتون نره حقوق بازتشستگی اش رو به سازمان تآمین اجتماعی یا هر صندوقی که باید واریز کنین.  حقوقش و عیدی اش رو هم هپلی نکنین.


Onlyiran

My two points

by Onlyiran on

1.  We should give this guy the benefit of the legal and due process.  Just because he has been arrested and charged doesn't mean he's guilty.  Let's be rational and rsereve judgment.  Let's learn to be build a civil society.  Plus, the FBI makes mistakes all the time.  Just ask Richard Jewel:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_jewel

or Steven Hatfill:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hatfill

Although if the admission by the university itself is correct, he's in trouble. 

2.  I just cannot imagine anyone who is not pro-regime getting a job as a university professor in Iran, especially at a place like Sharif.  The IRI does extensive background checks called "gozinesh" for any ordinary government job applicant.  We can only imagine what it does for prominent university professor. 


Farfromheaven2002

US vs. Iran

by Farfromheaven2002 on

It is exaggeration to say US and Iran are similar in their punishment laws, but let’s remember so many American inmates who were executed; then, discovered innocents while resting in graves.


Farfromheaven2002

Culture

by Farfromheaven2002 on

Culture is an additional participating subject.  In Iran people do not differentiate “legal” vs. “illegal” as we do in here.  Clearly, it’s because a person who walks with her boyfriend has to go to the same security bus as a person who randomly harassed & hurts a girl physically & harshly.  That’s why, maybe the professor didn’t know he was doing a wrong thing.  He was just opportunistic. 

As an example, the photo of a person was all around that was touching women in subways.  After they arrested him they realized he was an Iranian new immigrant (a week outside of Iran).  He was gently prosecuted because he said that he had done the same thing whole his adulthood in Iran.


Farfromheaven2002

Recruiting and the hiring process

by Farfromheaven2002 on

Networking is crucial to get a career at a high profile workplace all over the world.  Nevertheless, we should remember that a resourceful networking happens in Friday prayers (for Muslim candidates) & similar affairs in Iran.  Therefore, it’s absurd to assume that all professors at high profile universities in Iran have a similar accountability than ones residing in several countries in West. 


G. Rahmanian

"Islamic Cultural Revolution!"

by G. Rahmanian on

Oy: After so many purges following the so-called "Cultural Revolution," it is almost impossible for anyone to pass the test!


Oon Yaroo

VPK Jaan, Kissing bu** is different than swearing allegiance!

by Oon Yaroo on

The former is an opportunist while the latter is a committed follower! Maybe, this guy is both!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Really Oon Yaroo

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

To get a job at IRI people got to kiss butt. Just like any dictatorship people say one thing but think another thing. I already said this may have been a set up by IRI to dump him. Ask yourself: why did he come to USA for this. Was he stupid or crazy? It does not make sense. Why should a professor come here knowing the sanctions. It makes no sense to me.  

Oon Yaroo

Sharif was a terrorist! Name one Sharif faculty member who is...

by Oon Yaroo on

anti IRR! All Sharif faculties must pass the pro-IRR tests to become Sharif faculty! Americans should not trust Sharif faculties, period!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Souri

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Yes I am able to access it now. It is getting late but I will read it tomorrow.


Souri

dear VPK

by Souri on

 The link was working well, this morning. I copied it again here.

 Let's try it this way.....

 

It seems that it works now.

//iranian.com/main/blog/souri-52


پندارنیک

I dare say...

by پندارنیک on

In a land where presidents get assassinated, an arrest followed by a bail hearing is a good deal.................