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Tunisia could benefit from bitter lessons of Iran's clumsy '79 revolution by DK

To begin with if the likes of Ben Ali, Mubarak or the Shah of Iran stepped down so easily it was because they were anything but tyrants.

I do not automatically equate 'dictatorship' with 'tyranny' ...

Tyranny can encompass the definition of a dictator but a dictator doesn't always necessarily boil down to a bloody tyrant.

I am not even certain that Ben Ali's Tunisia (whose president was hailed by many Left Wing European Leaders prior to the Arab Spring since he was a member of the International Socialist Fraternity) could be called a dictatorship but rather an Authoritarian and bureacratic regime at worst. 

On the otherhand if the upheavels against Gaddafi or Assad have turned into a bloody civil war the reason is that they behaved like Tyrants ready to crackdown most severely against their very own people using a fire power which went beyond classic crowd control used in similar circumstances be it in a dictatorship or in a democracy when faced with large and violent demonstrations.

The use by a given government of Airforce, Naval Bombing from the Ports into the cities and Tanks are in no way comparable to the two dozen camels charging a crowd in Tahrir Square or even the way the Chinese crushed the Tienanmen Square protests in 1989 ( the same year Khomeiny died).

Gaddafi, and Assad's behavior made them lose their Legitimacy as heads of States and full members of the United Nations the minute they declared War on entire cities reducing them to rubbles. So the type of armed opposition they faced was proportional to the level of destruction they inflicted on the very nation they claimed to represent.

That You Jomhurykhahs deem the MKO as being a treacherous organization ... Well that is your problem as a Jomhurykhah not mine ...

TREASON IS A MATTER OF DATES: Constitutionalist Response to a Jomhurykhah Query

Otherwise you first need to explain to me what your ANN TELECTUALS mean by "Patriotism" ?

'BOOBOOLI, BOOBOOLI': Bahram Moshiri Mocks & insults Shah’s Executed Generals

Cause listening to some of them make me wonder on whose side they are ...

All the more that being a Jomhurykhah in a Land of Kings is in itself is an oxymoron ...

So as a Constitutionalist for us at least the "Treacherous" nature of the MKO is no different from those who advocated Revolution in the first place instead of supporting a necessary democratic reform.

pictory: Bakhtiar Denounces Bazargan's Provisionary Government in exile (1979)

RESTORATION: Shapour Bakhtiar advocates Restoring the Monarchy

But then that is not my concern here.

My Concern is what would those who claim to want to overthrow the regime do concretely to that effect except to preach civil dissobedience particularly if the Regime in Iran were to behave just like Assad in Syria or Gaddafi in Libya.

After all even Simin Behbahani living in Iran drew parrallels between the current Spiritual Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei and the late Gaddafi at the time of the conflict in Libya:

Simin Behbahani Compares Khamenei's Rule to That of Gaddafi's

Now if you can give us guarantees that the IRI won't behave similarily then I am willing to give you folks the benefit of the doubt.

Otherwise the Question remains pertinent and deserves an answer other than an emotional rebuttal merely because you folks believe the MKO has betrayed the very traitors who brought about the "Republic" you folks claimed was highjacked !

Respectfully,

DK

An Unapologetic Constitutional Monarchist

Paris, FRANCE

PS: By YOU I don't mean necessarily YOU the individual but your Likeminds. So No offence intended ...

I use the term YOU in my responses as a generic word aimed at adressing a Constituency of likeminds and not individual differences which can and do exist in any given Constituency be it Jomhurykhah, or Constitutionalist.

"A Country that Loses it's Poetic Vision is a Country that faces death"-Saul Bellow.

With all due respect DK, the premise of your question is wrong!

Your question is wrong because it was the purpose and aim of the MEK right from the beginning to create a civil war in Iran and took arms not only after but before the revolution. they got trained by Fattah of Palestine and had ties with Yaser Arafat!

No civil war happened  because Iranians collectively reject such notion to advance their political agenda!

I for one am a bit suspicious of the way this  so called "arab spring" is spreading around. They all have the same patterns and they all start with a "big fabricated lie" and then somehow and from some where and as a british commentator said once "out of thin air" suddenly they are armed and ready to kill their own soldiers and people!

Do you remember how Tunasia`s revolution started? go read about it now. It started with a lie!!!!

I remind you DK that the Kurds and some other groups did take arms in Shah time and in IRI and they didn`t do well because that kind of action against your own compatriots is collectively rejhected in Iran and that is the main reason that MEK is hated in Iran even more so than the IRI!!!

No one answered my question ...

If what is taking place in Syria (or Libya) were to take place in Iran ... Which of you would be ready to take arms to defend your compatriots back home ? ...

Dude

IF you don't then I am sure an MKO would given that they all more or less have had a military training.

That in itself proves that our so called "opposition" which thinks that by establishing a Parliament in exile to educate us on democratic discourse or those who think that the IRI will fall on it's knees with a Flower Power Approach are totally delusional.

But it also proves that all our "White Collar" opposition have absolutely no plan if such an eventuality ( however unfortunate in itself) were to occur ...

So the question is not whether or not you don't like the MKO ... for me that is a given fact.

The real question is whether or not you can replace them if an armed struggle against the IRI were to occur in a more or less distant future ...

As long as our White Collar Opposition groups have not offered a credible alternative to this hypothetical yet plausible scenario all talks about how democracy is important and essential to a Post IRI Iran or debates on Secularim become totally irrelevant and at best wishful thinking.

Same for our concerns regarding the De Listing or not of the MKO as a terrorist group ...

That would be the biggest and most stupid mistake Obama`s...

Admistration is going to do in regard to Iran.

 MEK is less popular in Iran than the IRI and that is a fact because they took Iraq1s side during the war(1980-1988)

MEK/MKO is a terrorist group and it is obvious to all.

MEK/MKO were serving Sadam and now serving all Israeil, US and all other intelligace services against Iranian people. They are now paing all expired politicians to support them and sending free ticket to even non Iranian to attend their meetings to show that they have some supporters! I received once one of that offer of free ticket and hotel to Paris!!!! But they are just diciving themselves!

Long Live IRAN for Ever.

Sorry, none like a terrorist group even not their masters ;) 

Civility the Israeli way….

Is Israel going to be kinder to Iranians after they bombed Iran with their nukes? Is that what is meant by civility?

  One does not need to search far other than this one thread where my first comment was responded by a personal attack and a lie.  Once challenged on the lie and to join me in a wish against those who have been “mooching off” the attack continued, just as IDF and the Zionist regime has been dealing with the Palestinian issue.  

Don’t forget, Dava o doktor in the most miserable way, every penny that is as a result of mooching to spread propeganda on this site.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Fred

Can you convince the hearts and minds of the people in a fair debate where your detractors have access to this site without risk of arbitrarily being banned or are you one of the individuals partaking in the policy of this website that its critics have labelled "Freedom Silence"?  

Islamist Palestinian moochers

Again, the Islamist Palestinian crop-dusting moochers have got to know the time to fight for their beloved Palestine to the last Iranian is long gone, forget it, you all over mooched.

Learn some civility; learn to earn a living without a handout and when Iran is emancipated, Iranians can ask their historic and cultural friends, the great nation of Israel to be kinder to you all.

However most of all, learn the civility first, civilized nations like to deal with their likeminded. 

COP, for answers to your questions....

Take a trip to Iran. Visit villages and poor neighbourhoods full of unemployed, unpaid , hungry and angry. See for yourself how religious and desparately poor people are. See for yourself how popular  "islamist marxists" like ali shariati are amongst those people.

We can curse MKO as much as we want to, but short of providing Iran with a bold and radical alternative to Islamist regime, an alternative which would take care of demands of the potential foot soldiers of any future Uprising, the  poor, oppressed and down trodden, our choices are I'm afraid very limited to what is being presented to us today.....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

OK nevermind that these guys are traitors

what about the fact that they are no better in "ideology" than the current elements occupying my motherland?

How backward is the concept of Islamic marxism?

Does it get worse than that?

Why would a nation want to replace awful with something worse?

Are we Iranians ever gonna learn?

Let them delist

بگذارید اوباما و غربیها و اجنبیان دیگر آنان را حلوا حلوا کنند زیرا ما ایرانیان فراموش نخواهیم کرد که همبستران صدام خیانتکاران تروریستی بیش نیستند که آرزوی بازگشت به ایران را به گور خواهند برد

کار هر بز نیست خرمن کوفتن....

Gandhi was  lucky he was dealing with Brits. Faced with Islamist regime he'd have long since ended at Evin followed by public apology on Islamist regime TV, or at some secret mass grave .......

In the end of the day,  some bad ass blood thirsty hell bent on Revenge of a hard core organisation is the most imminent danger the islamist regime is facing, especialy at times like now. they know it better than we do, hence all these blogs about MKO.

RP should have never mentioned Mandela. remember that mandela himself was once a "terrorist"  with a "well disciplined" querilla army operating from neighbouring countries of South africa. Sounds familiar, right??

Just a Question to all FB cyber DUDE warriors ? ;0)

I am not a fan of the MKO but given that many in the Diaspora are not even coming to terms with the idea of rallying with the only Opposition figure who is advocating Regime change in a Gandhi or Nelson Mandela approach ( Read me ? ...) 

I would like to ask you all One Question:

If what is taking place in Syria were to take place in Iran ... Which of you with a military experience and know how will be ready to join the fight and take arms to defend your compatriots back home ? ...

Ignorance is Bliss!

There is a thing called the "Separation of Powers" in our beloved US of A which means unlike the glorious Islamic Republic where one Larijani brother runs the Judiciary and another runs the Legislative and they both report up to the Supreme Leader who runs everything, here, one branch of the government cannot tell the other one what to do

The MEK case is in front of the US Appellate Court in Washington DC, (USCA Case #12-1118, Document #1376542), Hendersen and Tatel, Circuit Judges, and Williams, Senior Circuit Judge. The State Department has been given till October to come forward with its arguments on why MEK should not be de-listed. The State Department has not produced any arguments 

So all you concerned dues-paying NIACis should huddle with your fearless leader and petition the court (above address and doc. number) and provide reasons why MEK should not be de-listed

با ننه من غریبم بازی به جایی نمیرسین!

Delisting Could Mean Big Bucks and Future Maybes!...

"Were the MEK to be delisted, the group could, like Chalabi’s INC before it, receive Congressional funding, and the Rajavis would be seen as likely candidates for office in any government formed after the mullahs’ fall."

I don't know if Obama is

I don't know if Obama is truly considering this action or not but It's a foolish idea. There is no rational to justify this act because it does not benefit either the US or Iranians.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Yeah, in the name of “great Israeli democracy”….

They kill innocent women and children, loot their land and imprison their young.  Nazis did that and we all know what became of them.  Plus you ought to know that Israelis have been mooching and stealing all Palestinian have had.

Dava o doktor farmosh nashe, every penny of it.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Islamist Palestinian moochers

Again, the mooching Islamist Palestinian crop dusters need to learn civility and kick their habit of mooching off the Iranian people.

Their fight with the great Israeli democracy is their right, bon chance.

Perhaps once Iranian people get rid of their Messianic Islamist Rapists, they will try to act as mediator between their Israeli friends and their former moochers in Palestine who by then hopefully have learned to behave civilly. 

When there is no shame…

It is truly something to get lessons about civility from the biggest Israeli supporter on this website who has often advocated the policy of starving Iranians.

 I guess comparing it to the civility that has been practiced by the Messianic Israeli army thru numerous massacres of the Palestinian people, as early as just a few years ago in Gaza, starving Iranian people is rather civil. 

Tabrik

My wish for dava o doktor stands.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

One day a "terrorist", next day a "friend"

 "listing" of MKO as a "terrorist Organisation", during the "reformist khatemi presidency", was as much an act based on political convenience as their almost certain forthcoming"de-listing" due to the current "nuclear standoff" between the Islamist regime and the west.

our shouting and screaming at each other will not make an iota of a difference on this matter......

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Islamist Palestinian moochers

The moochers have got to learn to let go of their habit of cursing and damning.

Once their beloved Palestine is freed from their Islamist Rapist Hamas, they need to adapt to civilized ways if they want to build a prosperous society.  

Learn a trade which does not depend on mooching off other nations and more importantly, learn to behave civilly.

Mooching off?!?!?! ….

Then I dare you to join me in a wish:  

May misery and sickness is brought to those and their loved ones who are here on IC at the employment of others and therefore “mooching off”

 Lets wish that all the $$$ that is made as a result of their activism/propaganda on behalf of others spent on medicine and in a hospital.

Not to mention, this wish extends to those organizations who paid the fees and those who got paid for their activism on behalf of MEK. Hope all is spent paying for dava o doctor

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Islamist Palestinian crop dusters

I hope one day the Islamist Palestinian crop dusters have a democratic homeland free of the Islamist Rapist Hamas.

Perhaps then they will stop mooching off the Iranian people and get on with building their own country and tending to the needs of their traumatized society.

Until that time the moochers can continue with trying to free their homeland on the back of the enslaved Iranians, but from the looks of it, Iranian people are not buying it any more.

"No Gaza, No Lebanon, my life is for Iran"

Sorry moochers, you just abused Iranians for too long.

Very sad day

That day will be a very sad and disappointing day for Iranians. Let us hope that obama is not elected next year.

Fred: The Messianic Islamist Rapists are terrorists….

Much like the Israeli Messianic Rapists and terrorists are not on the list of terrorist groups in the US, therefore their presence in US are not illegal and just as AIPAC lobby is free to buy any politician to serve their agenda, NIAC is allowed to meet with other politicians including Maleki who came to power as a result of illegal US war and invasion of Iraq but I have a feeling you already knew that.  

This delisting will only prove US does not learn from the history.  How many times they have aided and funded terrorist groups, just to come and bite their a$$ at the later on time.

  This would be one more act to help create the great distrust of Iranian people of the intention of the US and big powers.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Islamists Rapist Terrorists Worse

Than the ones ruling IRAN.

here we go again! the end justify the means...

Flush the cockroaches out in the open! Good job! 

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Islamist Rapist terrorists

There are too many high officials of the Messianic Islamist Rapist regime currently allowed to live and work in the US.

Messianic Islamist Rapists are terrorists and their officials are terrorists as well.

Why is it ok for the Messianic islamist Terrorists to live in the US and not ok to de-list a former terrorist cult which has been taken off the terrorist list in EU?

Why is it ok for the NIAC lobby to have joint policy sessions, forum,  in US with Maleki,  the former Deputy foreign minister and "advisor" to the Head Islamist Rapist Khamenei, and not ok to de-list Mujahedin?