Iranian of the Day

Madame Ebadi, As a Woman, You Let Me Down!

Clearly, until the 'powers that be' decide to get serious with Agha (Supreme Poobaah Khamenie) there is no legal chance for any such effort.

However the political or public relations value of the effort can and should be viewed and valued with equal zest.  Problem is we seem to be either indiferrent to the process, as a diaspora, or are incapable of producing competent leaders to take charge of an effective orchestra to make enough noise!

The "great" legal scholar, Ms. Ebadi whose "extraordinary courage" gained her the prestigious Nobel prize appears to poopoo the effort.  

Why?  I ask myself, why would she not lead or 'god forbid' join such an effort? Why does she not talk about the daily abuses of human rights in Iran?  Why has she become better than the rest?  

Understandably, her disdain for the Shah's lack of respect for Human Rights, a regime under which she accepted to became the first femail judge in the Islamic world, dissallows her to join or even consent to the value of this particular effort against Khamenei.

Equally understandable, is her inability to 'speak out' more forcefully when she was in Islamist Iran, as it would be unreasonable to expect her to endure the kind of treatment or imprisonment, as did Aung San Suu Kyi.

The question, however, is now that she is living in the comfort of the west, graced with tons of cash AND prestige of the Nobel Prize, why so timid?  

I would have loved to see her take on the bully pulpit and charge against the very regime that kills wemen, children, religious and ethnic minorities on a daily basis, outdoing by a google margin anything the Pahlavis had during their reign.  

"Where art thou" would ask Lady Macbeth of Ms. Ebadi?

Madame Ebadi, I used to follow and read your writings and many pontifications with the greatest of interest, always expecting so much!  Everytime though, I find it that much is amiss and hollow in your thinking.

As a fellow woman, you let me down.

As a legal scholar you let me down.

As a so-called standard-bearer of 'freedom,' (Nobel) you let me down.

As an Iranian who has come to much fame and fortune, you break my heart as you have become like the rest of them. 

anglophile jan

Eengeeleeesh peeleeez.

You would not want to god forbeeed god forbeed, my tongue removed, get on mama queen's bad side by refusing to type een eengeeeleeesh.

Eva...

Mohandess jaan

Anglophile

Be that as it may and with all due respect to the content and the scholarly work of mr. bashiri and mr. amirparviz and your opinions, what does that have to do with the price of Aloocheye Ghazvin in Tanzania???!!!

In any country there are groups and organizations that are supposedly tasked with confronting and containing and neutralizing criminals and gangs of traitors or what have you, which may be involved in terroristic activities, the question here is what does that have to do with Human rights and democracy per se? Point i am trying to make here is that you or anyone else for that matter can not justify their existence based on the criteria of human rights.

Intelligence gathering, maybe. Security, clandestine activities maybe. But defending and promoting human rights!? whatever man.

Thank you ILI Jaan

Anglophile or Sir Alec Guinness, one of the best actors!

Yes sir, Sir Alec, SAVAK was most of the time kind and protect the law abiding citizens of Iran just like FBI protects America. But, when elements of terror, subversion, and chaos were hell bent to commit crimes against the nation SAVAK took actions as you put it very succinctly as the 3rd law of Newtonian Mechanics! 

May lord Moses protect you Sir Alec!

Dr. Love, Ph.D., M.D., J.D.

May I offer some help?

For some people you are guilty until death

This old mentality that you are guilt of colabrating with IRI until you are killed by IRI is not new.

Just what did Mrs Ebadi said here that showed he support for IRI? She explained how international law works, if someone say she is lying then come with the correct version with source. She did not even criticize anybody. She has put all her effort to help those in need of help in Iran but it seems like it does not count since she does not think like some.

I guess some people are pretty ignorant or worse they are acting on someone elses interest than regular people of Iran.

vilemose

ohhh no please don't get him started on that one again...

A: Khomeini would

A: Khomeini would disagree.

@alimostofi
FB: astrologer.alimostofi

Ali, my dear fellow!

Iranian culture HAS already dissolved Islam. It is called Shiism! But I must say that the folks in Qom, prefer Gheimeh to Ghormeh, I know it for a fact! 

LOL, 

Write that book. Good talking to you.

Cheerio! 

 AMP: Do you also think

 AMP: Do you also think VEVAK and MOIS are human rights defenders?

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

A: culture of Iran is

A: culture of Iran is actually stronger than Islam. So Islamic Iran is losing to Iranian Islam. But the hard liners in IRGC would say that they and Mesbah Yazdi are more important than the more pragmatic factions. Iranian culture is very resilient and it is slowly dissolving Islam. After all the folks in Qom still eat Ghormeh Sabzi.

@alimostofi
FB: astrologer.alimostofi

Good Ali. Now you are talking :)

A: Culture uniqueness

A: Culture uniqueness principle does apply in the case of UK. There is no contradiction. The religion of UK is very much unique and more British than Christian. After all it is King James's Bible. One could argue that the mullahs' dogma is distinctively more Iranian Islam than Islamic Iranian. And ultimately you will find that the Iranian Islam will win over Islamic Iranian. Whether the same can be said of Iranian Americans vs American Iranians is another interesting matter. I think Iranians in LA are more American than Iranian. They do put profit before Iranian culture if they had to choose. But alas nothing is as simple as that.

@alimostofi
FB: astrologer.alimostofi

OK guys

I seriously don't know what kind of game you are playing here. you guys need to polish up your definition of culture and cultural valuese in a major way. Where did you extract that from? Keyhan bache ha?!!

Lovingisraelwhenisraellovesyouback jan

yeah. ok. thank you for that beautiful definition and explanation there. You can have it your way and justify all you can but I'd rather have it my way just like the Burger King advertises. Ok by you? ok then:)

Amirparvizforsomethingsoemthingsecularsomething:

What makes you think i am a doctor and why do you have a tendency to constantly repeat yourself? I think your reasoing and whatever you call this is full of you know what and thank you but no thanks i know where i need to ask more questions. I certainly do not need your advice or guidance.

What is it with you Monarchists (not all of you) wanting to educate and provide guidance for everyone? you think everyone out there is stupid or something and you just know better? Are you seriously that misguided and misinformed to actually thing that FBI's role in USA's justice/political system, qualifies as somehow promoting Human rights?? Do you even know what those are? So what... every police department in the US must be in the buisness of promoting the same just because they go after criminals??

Sorry to be so frank with you buddy but the rest of your comment is not really worth making any comments on because it just does not make any sense. But you are right that I DO have the right to MAKE UP MY MIND using any available sources out there rather than being forced TO BE EDUCATED by ...well... let's just say some NEEDLESSLY overly caring Buddy ol' pals from IC telling me all that there is to know about The beauties of having to deal with a secret service in buisness for the sole purpose collecting intelligence.

I did not get the question at the end?..."what was my PHD in fashion?" does this sentence even have a meaning?:))) When someone gets a phd in a certain area then that is it, that's what they call it. You don't ask anyone what is your phd in physics!!

and By the way, i don't even have a ppee peech d. Now, with regards to passing out those medals...i am willing to help.

Ali! I prefer Ghorme Sabazi over Islam, any time!

Listen, without being funny, I suggest you write a huge book on this topic because you have left an ocean of inconsistencies and contardictory examples that only yourself can explain. I demonstrated these inconsistencies through a number of examples in my previous comment (e.g Norooz/Charshanbe souri and Zorasterian faith or Salam/Inshallah or Halva/Gheime, etc.

Now you have come up with more contardictory examples: "Jubilee celebrations  - there was no talk of politics or business or religion!!"

Obviously you missed that last day of celberations when Her Majesty, as the head of church of England, spent the first half of the day in St Paul's cathedral receiving blessings and congratulatory tributes from the heads of her faith (not to mention singing Christian hymns) followed by a reception at the Mansion House to be later followed by a taking lunch attended by 700 representatives of trades, businesses, crafts and professionals given in the Westminster Hall (hosted by the Speaker of the House of Parliament) and catred by the Livery Companies.

You couldn't have a better collection of religion, business reps and politicians in one day! 

Ali dear please write that book. I mean it.

wrong thread.

wrong thread.

Dr Mohandes no that was not a typo, you're entitled to your view

You Said, "There is absolutely no way to claim that an agency whose sole mission is
to operate as an security and intelligence apparatus of a particular
government, promotes Human rights! come on. I mean come on! no way jose."

My advice to you ask more questions and show an openness to learning various views, before you make a conclusion.  Do the FBI's activities in the USA improve the Human Rights of Americans?  I think they do by Preventing the Abuse of peoples human rights they defend peoples rights as Savak did.  Before SAVAK came about the education and monitoring of police activities was under the authority on no one in particular.  Any one in the Police of the pre-savak era could tell you across Iran many random police stations the likelyhood of being tortured for Information was common.  This entirely stopped and solely due to Savaks efforts, personally I don't know what you would like me to call this, I consider the increase of education and total end of widespread or any police torture as a sigificant increase in the human rights of Iranians, I would have given many many people Medals for what they did for Iranians as employees of Savak, during a period that Iranians enjoyed a Massive Increases in Peace, Progress & Human Rights. You are free to think for your self and make up your own mind using propagandafrom the bbc or through looking at the reports of unbiased individuals of independent nationalities from around the world doing research on irans affairs and doing consultancy.

By the way, What is your PhD in Fashion?

A: definitions on.Culture in

A: definitions on.Culture in wiki

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

is more appropriate.

Two primary meanings of culture emerge from this period: culture as the folk-spirit having a unique identity, and culture as cultivation of inwardness or free individuality. The first meaning is predominant in our current use of the term "culture," although the second still plays a large role in what we think culture should achieve, namely the full "expression" of the unique of "authentic" self.

@alimostofi
FB: astrologer.alimostofi

AliMostofi on culture

Culture is beliefs, charicteristics of a group with a focus on excellence.

Dr. Mohandes, I assume your Ph.D. is in Physics!

SAVAK was responsible for establishing an state of stability in Iran. Yes, true, once in a while it would resort to minor and mild treatment of in-correctable youngsters but all and all it brought law order and calmness to the country.

Lives improve when there is stability in a nation. That's what AmirParviz meant to imply.

Dr. Love Israel.

Oh my god

Please tell me there was a typo, a huge one involved in writing this brilliant line:

Human Rights across Iran were massively improved by SAVAK during the late shahs period (of course anti-monarchists reject this).

 By the way, Amirparviz, i don't care how closely you knew each and everyone of those who worked with or for or has any associations with SAVAK, There is absolutely no way to claim that an agency whose sole mission is to operate as an security and intelligence apparatus of a particular government, promotes Human rights! come on. I mean come on! no way jose.

VPK: that maybe true, but it does not change the fact that there are real monarchists who tend to shoot their views out there in disguise. obviously this does not include Anglo khan and amirparvizforsecularandocularandthermoneuclearandsubparadoixicaland...

and couple of other fellows whose names i can not remember.

As for shirin ebadi is concerned, she has left much to be desired and she needs to a lot more. I agree that she has lost so much of the respect and prestige she used to have before. All this big talk won't amount to nothing. Pie in the sky is what that is.

A: Culture csn be explained

A: Culture csn be explained as what the Brits did in Jubilee. There was no talk of politics or business or religion. You felt what it meant to be British.

So it is more of a set of expressions common to a group of people that they have as part of their common historical experience. Obviously one can point to specific expessions in geographical, culinary or poetical expressions. It is more than that.

What it isn't is that it is not something that can be digitized and reduced to some secular dry analysis that is transferable to other cultures.

You can see a culture in bacteria or other areas of life. They will become distinct when their uniqueness appears over time. That uniqueness then is not open to scrutiny. It belongs to their character and personality.

What religion or democracy do is to place a certain set of values such as the election process or the word of God as higher more important than culture. So just because a group of people got elected that does not mean they can change the flag. What is the difference between them an an alien entity like Google that does not use the phrase Persian Gulf.

@alimostofi
FB: astrologer.alimostofi

Truthseeker Jaan, Chaghoo Daste'h Khodesho Nemeboreh!

Ebadi is related to Khatami.

Khtamai is related to IRR.

Therefore, Ebadi is related to IRR.

All this talk about Ebadi's life and her family being threatened by IRR is Siyah Bazzi.

Believe you me, if IRR had ever considered Ebadi as its existential enemy she, her entire family, and everyone else associated with them would have already been annihilated by its killing machinery! 

That's how IRR operates!

Thank you Ali but that was a little too simple to understand

Let me see if I understood you correctly. Culture you say, and I quote, is:  

"the stuff that you cannot put to the vote eg: the name of Damavand or Ghormeh Sabzi.", does the name of city of Mashad (the place of martyrdom), qualify for this? How about Halva or Sho'le zard, or Gheime or khorma-nazri?

"Stuff you have feelings for", do Saadi, Rumi, Hafez and their poetry qualify for this? 

"Stuff which are subjective", is wearing beard (tah-rish) subjective enough?

 "Stuff that stands the test of time." have greetings like salam or wishing like inshallah, been used long enough t o pass the test of time?

" It is not politics or religion or commerce." does this means that we have to abandon our knowrooz - your spelling - or charshanbeh souri, and other national celebration becuase are associated or deeply rooted in Zoroasteria faith? 

None of the above examples are quantifiable and unlikely to be assimiliated into other ideologies.

Am I correct or as I said, your definition and examples are rather too simple for me understand?   

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 t9: That explains a lot.

 t9: That explains a lot. I did not know that her family was still in Iran...I wish all her family members could get of Iran.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

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t9: She is not in Iran

t9: She is not in Iran anymore, is she? 

Additionally, nobody is denying her stellar and astonishing achievments in in Iran.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir