Who Do You Think You Are?

Netanyahu's Latest Affront to Obama

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Who Do You Think You Are?
by Robert Wright
04-Mar-2012
 

The most amazing headline of the day comes from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: "Israel told U.S. Iran must halt enrichment ahead of nuclear talks, sources say."

Let me set the background for this.

For years, at the cost of great effort and diplomatic capital, the U.S. has painstakingly assembled a regime of international sanctions against Iran. And--let's be honest--it has done so largely on Israel's behalf. Now, finally, we seem to have gotten some payoff for this effort: Iran is saying it will resume negotiations, thus opening the door, however slightly, to a peaceful resolution of the current standoff.

Israel's way of saying thank you--to America and to the international community--is: "Sorry, we've decided we don't want negotiations resumed after all." And make no mistake: this is the message in that headline. Demanding that Iran suspend uranium enrichment before the talks start would guarantee that the talks don't start at all. And Bibi Netanyahu knows that.

There are several possible interpretations. I'll start with the least charitable.

1) Netanyahu doesn't want a peaceful solution. He's decided that Israel's interests go beyond just keeping Iran forever nukeless and extend to starting a conflict with Iran (a conflict, as I've argued, that would begin with bombs but would probably lead to the invasion and occupation of Iran).

2) Netanyahu believes that a peaceful solution isn't possible. He thinks Iran is hell-bent on getting a bomb, and that these negotiations are just a stalling tactic.

3) Netanyahu doesn't define "solution" the way the US and the international community do. Israel has said Iran mustn't be allowed to have a nuclear "capability"--i.e., the wherewithal to put together a nuclear bomb should it choose to. The US and most others in the international community, in contrast, are willing to let Iran keep enriching uranium for demonstrably peaceful purposes--and that amounts to giving Iran a nuclear capability at least in the loose sense that Iran could produce a bomb in a matter of years, as is already the case. (The international community does want Iran to suspend enrichment pending an agreement about how to resume enrichment under tighter international monitoring--but the idea was that the suspension would be a result of the next round of talks, not a pre-requisite for them.) In other words: Maybe Netanyahu does favor a peaceful solution, but his definition of "peaceful solution" is something the international community doesn't think is possible, because it realizes that Iran's leaders can't be seen by their people as giving up the prerogative to enrich uranium. So he wants to sabotage the international community's pursuit of its conception of a peaceful solution.

It's also possible that the Haaretz headline is about negotiations not between the international community and Iran but between Netanyahu and Obama. Maybe, in preparation for next week's visit to Washington, Netanyahu just wants to expand his list of Obama "asks" on the assumption that the more things he asks for, the more pressure Obama will feel to say yes at least once. And Netanyahu would love to get Obama to say he now agrees that an Iranian nuclear "capability," not just a nuclear weapon, is unacceptable. (Though Obama's interview with The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg suggests to me that he's not planning to budge on that one.)

The Haaretz story is attributed to a "senior foreign ministry official"--which means it was almost certainly an intentional leak on the part of the Netanyahu administration, timed to precede Netanyahu's Washington visit. This gives us additional reason to believe something that was already pretty clear: Netanyahu has no intention of being on good terms with Obama. He figures the best way to get what he wants out of America's President is to put public pressure on him. The guy is all sticks, no carrots. That's the way he's approaching Obama, and that's the way he wants us to approach Iran. I hope for the world's sake--and that includes Israel's sake--that he goes 0 for 2.

First Published in theatlantic.com.

AUTHOR
Robert Wright is a senior editor at The Atlantic and the author, most recently, of The Evolution of God, a New York Times bestseller and a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. Wright is also a fellow at the New America Foundation and editor in chief of Bloggingheads.tv. His other books include Nonzero, which was named a New York Times Book Review Notable Book in 2000 and included on Fortune magazine's list of the top 75 business books of all-time.

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deev

Turning Friends to Foes

by deev on

It's a shame to see Israel turn their traditional regional ally (Iranian people) into an enemy. Let's face it, amongst the Arab neighbors we Iranians have been the most pro America pro Israel nation in middle-east and war will surely turn our historical friendship into bad blood...


kayvanmobini

Way Off !!!

by kayvanmobini on

The current diplomatic parade and high energy rhetoric’s by Israeli leader shows the lack of resolve, capacity and capability that exists in Israel in conducting any form of strike on Iran, in other words his BARK is worse that his BITE, the whole strategy of Israeli government is as follows: 1- to scuttle any amicable and reasonable approach between US and Iran. 2- To suppress the Palestinian issue through creating tensions elsewhere. 3- To weaken Iran by taking out the Syrian government and replacing it with a friendly one on its northern border, ( this was confirmed when the Syrian opposition leaders publicly announced that the future government in Syria will be Israeli friendly). 4- Israel is pushing US to do a job that itself is incapable of carrying out, otherwise, a trap for the US administration.  Fortunately, Mr Obama has not fallen into the trap and has chosen the peaceful path to resolving the Iranian issue, the upcoming nuclear negotiations are very important due to several factors: 1- Mr Khamenei has consolidated his hold on the parliament in Iran and has made Mr Ahmadijejad a lame duck, therefore, US administration is now in a position to talk to the decision maker in Iran, a fact that was previously impossible due to infighting within the Iranian decision makers for power, furthermore, the recent speech by Ayatollah Khamenei denouncing the manufacture, stock pilling and use of Nuclear weapons sent the right message to the Americans. Mr Netanyahu is aware that a grand bargain is in the making and the parts of this bargaining is being assembled, the nuclear negotiations is the kick start and hopefully, the basis of a settlement should take shape before the US presidential elections in year.

Rea

Wow ;o)

by Rea on

Israel just about to attack IRI, and vice versa.

Either is pifffttt. 


Bavafa

Let the Americans know...

by Bavafa on

 How most Iranians and Iranian-Americans feel about war with Iran

//www.niacouncil.org/images/content/pagebuilder/NIAC-Washington-Post-Ad-ful.jpg

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


iraj khan

Dr Ala,

by iraj khan on

Good observations about your experience with AIPAC.

Also, there's going to be more demonstrations against AIPAC in front of White house today: 

"Washington, DC—Veteran, Iranian-American and interfaith groups will challenge The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and its support for an Israeli attack on Iran in a press conference, at 11am, Monday, March 5, 2012 as President Obama meets with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. The Conference and protest are timed to coincide with AIPAC’s annual conference, which has been laying the groundwork for a military confrontation with Iran."

//www.occupyaipac.org/


Mohammad Ala

Thanks for keeping discussions civil.

by Mohammad Ala on

Through an Iranian Jewish friend, three Iranian non-Jews attended AIPAC’s annual meeting almost 30 thirty years ago.  I was one of the three who listened to speeches but the other two Iranians asked good questions which really surprised the audience.  At that AIPAC annual meeting, the general assembly concluded that Israel needed three things:

(1) Land (as much as possible)

(2) USA support (mostly in technology and dollars, as much as possible)

(3) Peace

After thirty years, Israel continues to demand all the above in addition to few new ones.

There is nothing conspiratorial about the fact that a few countries have nuclear weapons and the majority do not.  Those countries that have nuclear weapons are not going to use their weapons to kill weeds.


Bavafa

Great analysis by Guive Mirfendereski

by Bavafa on

The stall tactic and bullying thru the moving goal post and not committing to anything but an endless negotiation which nothing is defined in terms of time line or objective has been the wining card for Israel, now playing it against Iran.  Well, in this case, this maybe just that bluff that they may come to regret.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


iraj khan

Protesters at AIPAC meeting

by iraj khan on

to draw attention to the 

role of AIPAC as a special interest lobby that maintains a stranglehold over US policies.

“After 10 years of war, the American people need a foreign policy that focuses on diplomacy, but AIPAC takes us down the dangerous path of war with Iran,” Occupy AIPAC organizer Medea Benjamin said.

//www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/occupy-activists-fear-that-americas-proisraeli-lobbyists-want-a-war-7536338.html 

video and pictures here:

//www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/153420


G. Rahmanian

Historical Revisionism!

by G. Rahmanian on

While pretending to be "honest," Mr. Wright starts his short article with a "dishonest" revision of historical facts.

Here's how he distorts history:

"For years, at the cost of great effort and diplomatic capital, the U.S. has painstakingly assembled a regime of international sanctions against Iran. And--let's be honest--it has done so largely on Israel's behalf."

Mr. Wright is either unfamiliar with the real history of the United States of America or he is consciously revising the facts to suit his argument. He may even be capitalizing on some readers' ignorance.

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of world history knows that, long before the establishment of the state of Israel, the US was in favor of an "open-door" policy. The US history is filled with events pointing to the fact that in its pursuit of such policy the US government has used all means available to ensure its success.

So, to claim the US government's advocacy and imposition of sanctions against Iran is "largely on Israel's behalf" amounts to downright historical revisionism, to say the least.

"Now, finally, we seem to have gotten some payoff for this effort: Iran is saying it will resume negotiations, thus opening the door, however slightly, to a peaceful resolution of the current standoff."

One wonders which payoff Mr. Wright is talking about. Does he mean the lies coming out of Tehran? Then he has no idea what the Mullahs are up to.

Also, Mr. Wright seems to see historical events in isolation from one another. He sees Prime Minister Netanyahu as a warmonger who is bent on starting a war with IR. But he fails to see IR's adventurism and terrorist acts in the region and the world over. He does not even mention the warmongering rhetoric of IR officials who are adamant to export their revolution and wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

The Islamist regime in Tehran has never been serious about negotiating with any party. The majority of Iranians know that better than anyone else and have shown their detestation towards the regime in many ways.The regime is desperate to provoke yet another war at all cost only to preserve its murderous rule.

As the recent turn of events indicate, to save their country from another war, the only remaining option for Iranians is to overthrow the regime which has very little support among the people of Iran.


rtayebi1

Iraj khan

by rtayebi1 on

only if our Hazbollahis could act as civilized as these AIPAC supporters.


iraj khan

Young Jewish activist disrupts AIPAC panel about 'Israel on

by iraj khan on

Campus”.

Her sign said: 

'Stop Silencing Dissent' 

'Stop Supporting Settlement Expansion':

Liza Behrendt, 22 year old member of Young Jewish and Proud, the youth wing ofJewish Voice for Peace, stood up during a breakout session called “The Struggle to Secure Israel on Campus” to call attention to the silencing of Palestinians— and young Jews who support them — on U.S. campuses.  Liza stood on stage and unfurled a banner that read, “Settlements Betray Jewish Values” and “Tzedek Tzedek Tirdof,” the Jewish text from Deuteronomy meaning “Justice, Justice, You Shall Pursue.”

Here is the video:

//www.occupyaipac.org/2012/03/jewish-activist-to-aipac-stop-silencing-dissent/#more-2790


Disenchanted

Tail between legs back to Tel Aviv!

by Disenchanted on

There was an article yesterday in Haaretz saying this "knowing no limits" attitude of Israel eventually will make America sick and tired of them!  

Oon Yaroo

Folks, all these headaches will be gone if Akhoonds pack up...

by Oon Yaroo on

their Abba and Ammameh and leave Iran!


Siamak Asadian

The Making of Modern Zionism: Intellectual Origins of Israel

by Siamak Asadian on

The Making of Modern Zionism: Intellectual Origins of the Jewish State by Shlomo Avineri //www.questia.com/library/book/the-making-of-modern-zionism-intellectual-origins-of-the-jewish-state-by-shlomo-avineri.jsp

Siamak Asadian

Moses Hess, founder of Labor Zionism, four decades before Herzl

by Siamak Asadian on

Moses Hess

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess

Karl Marx used to call Moses Hess "the communist Rabbi," and Hess as one of the Young Hegelians was an early influence on Marx.

Historical irony is that at least half of the streets in Tel Aviv are named Hess, after Moses Hess, but no one knows who he was!!! 

 


Abarmard

I know Arash Kamangir

by Abarmard on

Reading and investigating is the hardest thing to do. Laziness is a bad thing and even worse when one likes to comment on issues that she has no historical idea about.

"Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize reality and live in a separate state of their own."

...

"

Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a detailed memorandum to the new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally offered Zionist support in "solving" the vexing "Jewish question." The first step, it suggested, had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences"

These are just a broad view of historical reality, you can find any source of history about them you like.

Source: //www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html


Guive Mirfendereski

Bibi, the negotiator! Ha!

by Guive Mirfendereski on

Netanyahu will be the last person on Earth to give advice to President Obama or anyone else for that matter, about the art of negotiations – The condition that he wants to precede any talks with Iran is the same in tone as the one that he wanted for the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian talks – that is, give me what I want upfront – ‘recognize Israel, swallow the settlements, refute the right of return, demilitarize, renounce terror, etc.’ and then I sit with you to talk. Well, Bibi, how has that worked out for you? Two premierships later and you are nowhere near a peace deal with the Palestinians. But we all know that you do not want peace with the Palestinians, so you place these unacceptable issues as preconditions to talks that you say should start with no preconditions!

 

Now, with Iran, Bibi wants the suspension of nuclear enrichment, verifiable of course, and probably along with dozen other sub-conditions before, any Iranian nuke talks can start. The aim of this precondition is to scuttle the nuke talks, which then Israel would like to use as a cause of war - to do what it is itching to do – to strike Iran – and possibly goad the U.S. into it as well. Here is the rub though: Iranian nuke facilities will not be the only targets: the missile defense system and any other facility that could give Iran a retaliatory capability would be attacked and degraded. In the political chaos that ensues IRI will fall apart along the country’s ethno-geographical lines (at time helped by neighboring countries).

 

If the Israeli strike becomes a wider war, my guess would be that Bushehr and other sites on the Persian Gulf too will be attacked and/or occupied, including the islands on Khark, Tonbs, Abu Musa, Hengam, and Sirri – these by Americans and Emirati forces. A lot of people have an ax to grind with IRI. We need to recall the leaked statement by a Persian Gulf emir to the U.S. officials that IRI is the head of snake and it must be cut off! It is no surprise that the Saudis are playing full-court press against the IRI. They talk to the Chinese about increasing oil exports to China, they foment Sunni insurgency in Iraq, and back the insurrection in Syria - all to undermine the Iranian (Shiite) influence. In the meanwhile, as IRI can no longer have the same influence on Hamas and the Hezbollah through the Syrians, the Saudis will pick them up – and the new Sunni-led Syria) as their new clients. Then the question becomes – will Saudi Arabia have enough pull to force Israel into peace with the Palestinians.     


iraj khan

Jews Gone Wild In Washington!

by iraj khan on

It happens once a year during Israel Lobby's 'days of action'.

The Show is on full force.

14000 are attending the Israel Lobby's (AIPAC) 'days of action' in Washington and it will continue through March 6. 

President Obama under the pressure has been announcing his position over and over:

"No bombing of Iran now!".

The following is Trita Parsi's take on president Obama's speech given to AIPAC today:

"Despite the words of friendship, the diverging perspectives of the Obama administration and the Netanyahu government on key issues in the Middle East – the Arab uprisings, the Palestinian issue and the Iranian nuclear program – are profound.

The dispute on the nuclear issue is centered on red lines. Israel, like the Bush administration, considers a nuclear capability in Iran a red line. It argues that the only acceptable guarantee that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon is for Iran to have no enrichment program.

The Obama administration puts the red line not at enrichment – which is permitted under international law – but at nuclear weapons. This is a clearer, more enforceable red line that also has the force of international law behind it.

While expressing his sympathy and friendship with Israel, Obama did not yield his red line at AIPAC. With the backing of the US Military, he has stood firm behind weaponization rather than weapons capability as the red line.

He said: “I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon (emphasis added), I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say.”

This is crucial because it is essentially a question of war and peace.

Critically, Obama’s rejection of containment at AIPAC was in the context of containing a nuclear-armed Iran, not a nuclear capable Iran.

He said: “Iran’s leaders should know that I do not have a policy of containment; I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”  

Nowhere in the speech is he aligning himself, or even mentioning, the Israeli red line of “nuclear capability.”

The President’s tough words regarding his readiness to use military action is all in the context of preventing a nuclear weapon in Iran, not a nuclear capability. Strikingly, the president uses the D word – diplomacy – more than the M word – military action – in his speech (even though he primarily presents it as move that enabled greater sanctions on Iran.)

The Israeli red line is a fast track to an unnecessary and counterproductive war. This is why the US military and Obama so adamantly opposes this red line – because it ensures both war and a nuclear-armed Iran down the road.

Trita Parsi, PhD 


Arash Kamangir

Abarmard:

by Arash Kamangir on

Where do you get your facts from? I have never heard or read such nonsense before! The Nazis wanted to root out the jews and you are saying that Nazis wanted the jews to have their own country!! The ruler of Palestinians ( Mufti of Jerusalem) even met with Hitler to discuss the the future of Palestine with Hitler. You better get your facts right before you make comments. Your sources are IR sources.


Abarmard

The same party under Nazi was named Zionist party

by Abarmard on

That party during Nazi Germany believed that Israel needed to be created and was agreed with Nazis and Hitler. The same party roots still rules Israel today and that's why there are many similarities in dealing with either neighbors, Arabs, or Palestinians.


Arash Kamangir

Bibi well take care of business!

by Arash Kamangir on

Noone knows IR better than Bibi as noone knew hitler better than churchill. Bibi knows what is at stake and will sort IR out when the time is right!


Abarmard

Good points

by Abarmard on

Seems like more Americans are finding realities about the Israeli regime. Thanks for the article.