Sic Semper Tyrannis

That's a good point Oktaby

Didn't think of it that way.

AO

What exactly do you expect from them? Their whole world view, ideology, psychology, value system and life is a contradiction or oxymoronic. Why would their arguments or reasoning be otherwise? And if it were, could they cheer for and support what they do? 

OKtaby

AO

Na baba. he is getting ready for a major come back Like one of those Celtics vs Lakers come backs:)

Here is a vivid example of cutting and running... We will remember that the next time we the exiles would be accused of doing the same.

Chayi ghand pahloo Soothes the soul.

SP just did what he always does

SP just did what he always does,  . .he went to another blog,  a different website. He gets paid by the line. His editors have to pretend (between prayers and the occasional sermons) that they can make sense of what he writes.

It's lose-lose all the way!

I fell in a puddle and I drowned; the puddle laughed and

Sargord was moved to compose a poem.

Doctor X. & OnlyIran

The good "Sargord" has nothing much to say.  He tried and tried and tried, but then when confronted with a firm question, he "fleng ro bast va raft" as we say. 

Correct me if I am wrong here

I just don't get what this means: help me out here guys. Am i dumb or something? this Sargord fella just has a way with words...Am i misunderstanding something?

"Today the UCAV represents the preeminent form of TARGETTED!! aerial warfare by the leading air forces in the world" TArgetted??? As in Being enemy's target? as in being the the easiest target to aim at and to destroy? as in being the low hanging fruit?

And Sargord mashti. You really need to stop manuevering your way around words. Dude jan. Technological stagnation!!! is synanymous with some sorta of decline in any economic. industrial sectors in a country. Meaning there is no progress being made.

What happened to the "Sargord"?

he seems to have disappeared when faced with a simple logical question.

Yousef Jaan, he understands plenty

It's just that he's trying to dodge the issue because he doesn't have a response.

Sargord, why don't you just answer the question?

I posted a simple question for you.  You have left more comments on this thread than anyone else.  You have tried to torpedo it from the start.  Yet, you have yet to answer a simple question.  Here it is again:

 Can you explain to us how a nation that sends satellites into orbit, builds fighter planes, submarines and jet powered UAV's cannot manufacture simple spare parts for passenger planes and has to blame everyone on the planet for its incompetence?

If the IRI has truly "built" a jet powered UAV and an advanced fighter plane called "Saegheh" from scratch, shouldn't it be able to build simple spare parts for its passenger planes?

Answer this question first, and we will take it from there. 

Sargord payrooz, I'd explain to you but you wouldnt understand.

In the mean time, enjoy being the propagandist machine for one of the vilest regimes in Iranian history whilst the gravy train is still running.

Yousef, how can there be a

Yousef, how can there be a decline in all fields of science and technology? There can be technological stagnation or industrial agedness. But a decline? That's like saying instead of Iranians using cars, they are now using donkeys, instead. And we both know that there are many more cars in Iran today than there were pre-79. Likewise, university curriculums in science haven't retrograded- they aren't using teaching resources from the 1930s or 40s. 

You might want to tighten up your assertions. There is room for improvement and advancement in certain fields, but your depiction is a sloppy one, in my opinion. 

Those quotes don't match the

Those quotes don't match the claim made on this blog post:

"IRI is the most technologically advanced country in the world—or somewhere close to it"

You've repeated yourself many times now, so I assume that's all you got to back up this insincere claim, strawman if you like.

You guys remind me of the scene in the movie Persepolis, where Satrapi describes the perceptions of her French peers, who depict with derision the whole Iranian lot as being "fanatics." I mean, you are so fanatically anti-Iran. You come up with two flimsy quotes that don't even match up with your claim, yet how many hundreds of virulent anti-Iran comments have you posted over the last weeks and months? 

What an unattractive lot y'all are. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Meehan is fortunate to be rid of you.   

Good post AO.

A lot of us here are technologists, and we can all say, from an informed position  that Sadly under the islamist regime, Iran has gone through a deep decline in all fields of science and Technology. The corruption is rampant in Iran's aging "industry". All the so called innovations you see are smuggled from Abroad, and re packaged as "symbols of Islamist Innovation"!I'd have personally loved to go and serve my people (not the regime) back home, but I know that only a fraction of my skills and knowledge would be utilised, and that is if I am connected to someone related to regime.In fact Sharif University, a world class university, established it's reputation under late shah. and I wonder how many more of these Sharif universities we would have had if only.... And no, I am not a monarchist by any stretch of immagination, but I have to be honest. 

The Phony Sargord "quibbles" :-)

Who are you going to believe: your own eyes or a Phony Sargord with 5 different user names (depending on which website he's on)? 

Abjee Nilou: technologically far more advanced (among the top ten in the world in: nanotechnology, space technology, robotics, stem cell research, nuclear technology etc)

In response to my question, "Name me some modern inventions produced in the last century outside of the West" 

Phony Sargord replied: I'll name you one, Amir. The UCAV was a technological innovation first to see production and action during Jange Tahmili by none other than the Islamic Republic of Iran. Today, the UCAV represents the preeminent form of targeted aerial warfare by the leading air forces in the world.  

Nice try  :-) 

BTW, what's wrong with calling the IRI a "third world country". If you don't like the term, you can call IRI a "first world country". First in the world in its rate of traffic deaths, execution of juvenile offenders, and rates of opiate addiction. Cheers, Phony Sargord. While you're at it, you can tell your American neighbors that you're a third rate Groupie of a regime that has made "Death to America" its calling card. And please, more updates on IRI's top notch First World military, particularly the Saeqeh advanced fighter  :-)  

I haven't seen a single

I haven't seen a single comment provided by a so-called "IRI Supporter" that matches the claim:

"IRI is the most technologically advanced country in the world—or somewhere close to it"

I've seen one about a claim over hi-tech fields that no one can dispute Iranian industry engages in, and one concerning a battlefield innovation during the Imposed War.

Where are all the comments claimed by this blog post? Go ahead and show a single instance where a commenter here at IC has stated that Iran is the most technologically advanced country in the world. You can't do it. You're either lying or constructing a strawman, or both.

Surely, this is just another insincere effort put forth by anti-Iran cheerleaders, for it's hard to imagine persons so lacking in intelligence. Then again, we are talking about rejects from- what did Amir call it?- oh yes, "a third world country."

Bravo Anti islamist regime commenters

I just had the pleasure of reading this blog.

I see the  nefarious Pirouz is here making absurd arguments as usual.  I think any rational fair minded person reading the weight of the evidence pointed against his bizarre defense would come to the conclusion that he is nothing but a propagandist.

Reminds me of that man in Baghdad - Comical Ali

Refusing to recognize his own comments  (and those of his basiji comrades) is a real highlight in how to debate islamist style.

They sure know how to teach morality and 'telling the truth' in the howzeh.

Great work guys for exposing the liars and hypocrites of the fanatic islamist system. 

Dammit

I meant to say Intellectually unchallenging. :)

An Obvious Demonstration

Of Diversionary Tactic By mr. Sargord in the face of pure principle and rationality. I think he deserves a medal or something for that!

You are being presented with facts and yet you cannotproduce one scinitilla of logic and sensibilty in countering them.

Nothing that was brought up here has undermined the real premise of this blog. A series of questions were raised repeatedly without any replies.

It is a good thing that at the end of it all He picks an apt and right on the money analogy for the tactic he is employing here: An insincere engagement and Intellectually challenging.

Waste of time? Kind of like banging your head against the wall with this guy.

Well. AO, do you have a

Well. AO, do you have a comment to reference that matches the topic sentence put forward on this blog?

That's really the contention here. At this point in time, it really appears to be yet another constructed strawman.

That serves to undermine the basic premise of the entire blog post.

And you would think that if this was so widespread, as the post suggests, you could dig up more than two comments (that don't even match the post's topic sentence).

This is an insincere engagement, intellectually unchallenging, a waste of time... 

Catching the Phony Sargord in yet another lie

Dear Anonymous Observer,

"Sargord" claimed in a comment of his on August 6, 2010:

The UCAV was a technological innovation first to see production and action during Jange Tahmili by none other than the Islamic Republic of Iran. Today, the UCAV represents the preeminent form of targeted aerial warfare by the leading air forces in the world. 

Nicely put AO

The bottom line is that you can't have your cake and eat it too.  You can't claim that you're "number 1" and can do everything that a technologically advanced country can (despite the sanctions), and at the same time, cry that sanctions are holding you back. It's one or the other.  You're lying at some point.  

Wait...did I say "lie"?!!!  Oops!  I forgot I was talking about IRI and its cheerleaders, apologists and groupies.  Lying is an essential element of their miserable existence.  I guess their contradictions all make sense in a weird sort of way. :-)) 

Sargord - This is what the blog says

It says that the IRI and it supporters say this:

 "IRI is the most technologically advanced country in the world—or somewhere close to it." (I kind of know this because I wrote the blog you know).

I gave you an example of this argument on this thread:

//iranian.com/main/2010/aug/karrar-unmanned-combat-air-vehicle

where the IRI propaganda agent on the video  claims that the IRI is only the 4th country the world to have achieved the technology about the UAV.  

Then, there is this comment from one of your co-workers, "Abaramard", who chimes in with this confirming remark:

"1000 km?

by Abarmard on Sun Aug 22, 2010 08:12 AM PDT

that's something. Seems like Iranian defense is moving forward fast. 4th country to have this technology!"

Being that you're an American, I would think that you would know what "somewhere close to it" means.  As Amir explained below, being ranked "4th in the world" in some technology means that they are "close to" being the most advanced technology.  Do I need to explain this any further?

But let's move on from semantics.  Can you explain to us how a nation that sends satellites into orbit, builds fighter planes, submarines and jet powered UAV's cannot manufacture simple spare parts for passenger planes and has to blame everyone on the planet for its incompetence?

If the IRI has truly "built" a jet powered UAV and an advanced fighter plane called "Saegheh" from scratch, shouldn't it be able to build simple spare parts for its passenger planes?

Please answer these questions.  And please: no "safsateh".  That means no BS in English. 

"Sargord"

You are obviously a man of great intellect and integrity--I'll have to remember that the next time you defend one of the IRI's barbaric acts under one of your many user names on the websites you go on (the same websites where you are an object of well-deserved contempt by many readers). How could I possibly feel insulted when an America-residing Groupie of thuggish anti-American, anti-Iranian terrorists keeps barking away? The sound of your barking at times can be faintly amusing to hear. Cheers, Phony Sargord  :-)

Amir, only intellectual

Amir, only intellectual weaklings- like yourself- resort to reduction to the absurd.

You're obviously not a serious commenter, and an emotional wreck, to boot.

Next... 

"Sargord",

Actually, I already did provide a top ten list. Here is a ranking of the most innovative and leading producers of technology in the world (both military and non-military):

1) IRI

2) North Korea

3) Syria

4) Mongolia

5) Sudan

6) Burkina Faso

7) Bangladesh

8) Madagascar

9) Albania

10) USA (considering America's rapid collapse, it will not make the Top Ten next year).

So the strawman argument stands until proven otherwise. 

I like how the West-residing IRI Groupies will tell a lie, get caught in a lie, and then ask others to disprove the lie. Very cute. It's Orwellian if nothing else. Cheers  :-) 

Well Amir, if you take

Well Amir, if you take exception to the top ten ranking in those fields, you should provided a determined ranking of your own. 

But regardless, that statement by Nilo does not match the topic santence of this blog post. So the strawman argument stands until proven otherwise.

Any other comments to cite beside this one?

"Quibble": the world according to the Phony Sargord

Is your quibble in the claim of being among the tope 10 in these fields? 

So lying about the IRI being "among the top ten in the world" (to use the West-residing Groupie's own lying words) is now a "quibble". LOOLLL 

But this statement does not match the topic sentence provided in this post, which is: IRI is the most technologically advanced country in the world—or somewhere close to it 

Actually, being "among the top ten in the world" would imply that the IRI is "somewhere close" to the top. Nice try, though "Mark Pyruz". May I suggest you concentrate on your area of "expertise", i.e. the IRI's top notch Third World "military".  Cheers   :-)

Well, Amir, Iran is involved

Well, Amir, Iran is involved in nanotechnology, space technology, robotics, stem cell research, nuclear technology. Is your quibble in the claim of being among the tope 10 in these fields? Perhaps you can argue over the relative standing among the top 10, or top 20 for that matter. I really don't see the point. 

But this statement does not match the topic sentence provided in this post, which is: "IRI is the most technologically advanced country in the world—or somewhere close to it."

Thus, you have not disproved that this is an attempt to construct a strawman argument. 

"Sargord", here you go

On August 8, "Niloufar Parsi" wrote on her blog "the times they are a-changin'" that the IRI is:

nuclear, space and nanotechnology capabilities (among only 10 countries or fewer with such technologies in the world)  

On August 19, she wrote as a comment on the blog "Our National Interest" that the IRI:

is technologically far more advanced (among the top ten in the world in: nanotechnology, space technology, robotics, stem cell research, nuclear technology etc)

This is just a small sampling of such claims. Regards.

Anon, I'm out the door

Anon, I'm out the door myself.

Could you provide the commenter's name and time posted? I participated on that thread, but I don't remember someone stating that. I don't know what technology the comment is referring to, or the context.

Thanks.