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14-Jun-2010
Khordad (June) should be called Month of the Green because no matter your political thoughts everyone is haggling about a movement in Iran that started last year.
The fact of the matter is that the Green movement started by supporters of Mousavi who campaigned for him in order to de-throne Ahmadi and establish Mousavi’s government. What followed was the political maturity of the Green movement - Mousavi’s supporters - and their desire to continue a non violent movement and the violent response of the regime.
I have no doubt that the elections were rigged because no 62% winner would be so afraid of a recount or have a shortage of visible public backing. When Obama got elected with 62% of the vote was there a shortage of his vocal and visible supporters in public?
Some say that while the Green movement started as just supporters of Mousavi it evolved into something more. It evolved into a movement to overthrow the Islamic Republic. The political mindset of young Iranians who are the founding fathers of the Green movement is different from the political mindset of their previous generation who overthrew the Shah.
When people were campaigning for Mousavi and called themselves the Green Movement, the previous generation (with the old political mindset) was yawning in Iran and abroad. However, when they came to the streets the previous generation suddenly woke up! So why didn’t the previous generation see the Green Campaign prior to the election as worthy? Because they don’t understand what makes the young Iranian move. They don’t understand the mathematics of young Iranians political debates and culture. In short because it is easier to lump everything together and wrap it up!
Mousavi himself didn’t believe the position he was put in 2009 or in 2010. It’s not like he was unknown or his support for Khomeini hidden. People put him in this position and to his credit he accepted the position and is risking his life because that is what people wanted. This is how their political mindset works.
There is no way of knowing for sure the actual number of various political views that constitute the overall Green movement. For example, I don’t know where to put Rudi Bakhtiar who shows up with Green tank top and supports the Green movement and which Green movement she is talking about. I don’t think it matters as long as she supports what people support in Iran and if it means people in Iran support Mousavi so be it. She may not support Mousavi but as long as people can support Mousavi and don’t be killed for it she’ll be happy. I don’t speak for her but that is how I can see various people with various political affiliations come under an umbrella and support the fight for justice and equality in Iran.
I think there is a hesitancy and fear among many Iranians who were never revolutionaries or became revolutionaries to go under any more umbrellas again! One umbrella bought in 1979 may be enough for them but umbrellas break under the wind and you need to buy new ones or spend good money and buy one that is wind resistant!
In the end I think dismissing Mousavi and Karoubi and defining Green movement as something that we’d like it to be or calling it dead does not solve anything, is not a true reflection and will certainly not win any points with the young Iranians who started this movement and are one way or another in the majority. Separation of church and state is an ultimate goal and one of the many goals that Iranians are fighting for as they pick their own methods and leaders.
There is no perfect country and government in the world. There is no system that has solved all the problems and there will never be a government in Iran that solves all of its problems. Many of us have these childhood memories that are so pasteurized. We need idealists who want a better and just life in Iran but everyone knows we’ll never be able to satisfy everyone.
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There is no Green Movement
by eroonman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 03:41 PM PDTGreen was merely the identifier color of the T-shirts and banners of the Mousavi campaign. When it looked like he was going to lose and the campaign supporters became angry, it started to look like a movement to the Western Media and those of us who watch Western Media and worse, believe it.
It wasn't a Movement. Proof of it is they have not done a single thing since.
Mousavi comes out every once in a while and posts website info to his "supporters", he does not acknowledge that the green movement is anything but his supporters, who only want him to be President. Consequently he asks them to stay home, just in case it turns out they want more.
The reason why Ahmdinejad and the government that runs him are NOT satisfied with a simple majority of 68% of the vote, is that this does not work for a dictatorship. A dictatorship only works when you have 100% of the votes. 110% to be safe.
100% of the votes, and 100% fearful people, are the minimum requirements of any self respecting dictatorship these days.
Sag kochooloo was Leili a man or a woman?! Read below!
by Anonymouse on Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:59 PM PDTEverything is sacred
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by sag koochooloo on Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:58 PM PDTWhat does Nekbat mean (if not too rude to explain)?
If someone makes a racial remark just say "get lost nekbat"
by Anonymouse on Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:48 PM PDTEverything is sacred
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by yolanda on Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:44 PM PDTThank you! That is great! I can use it!
Yes, I remember Maziar Bahari......I signed the petition for his release.....he e-mailed me and others several weeks ago to pressure IRI to release more journalists from IRI's jails......
Be very honest with you......I try to stay out of the heated debates.....I do read a lot here.....
One IRI apologist made racial slur about me......they will do anything to defend IRI.....
but I can still say, AN, Nekbat!
Thank you!
Actually it is mostly used by girls and less by guys!
by Anonymouse on Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:08 PM PDTIf you know some Iranian women ask them about this word nekbat and see what they say and how they react. If I were to mix it with English it'd be like get lost! nekbat!
I don't know if you remember or not but last year this Newsweek journalist, Bahari I think, spent 4 months in Iranian jail accused of being a spy when he interviewed with Jon Stewart from The Daily Show.
When he was released he said his interrogator was interested in NJ and probably about the Jersey Shores show! So he wanted to know about girls in NJ and if they're loose and easy and things like that. So imagine if somehow Bahari would have said yes and would've introduced the guy to Snooki and told her who he was (IRI and all ;-) and asked if she'd sleep with him. The proper Snooki's response would've been; ewwww! get lost! nekbat!
It is not profane or anything, just what girls would say to stinky and disgusting guys. Try it in an occasion and see what response you'll get!
Everything is sacred
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by yolanda on Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:40 AM PDTHi! Mouse,
LOL! Can this word, "Nekbat", be used by girls? Please let me know......As you know, girls and guys talk differently, we use "slightly" (LOL) different vocabulary.....as you know, I can't stand IRI, but I have to talk like a girl......I don't want to get flagged by using that word! :O)
Thank you!
Yolanda I teach you a good word to use when talking to IRI & Co
by Anonymouse on Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:35 AM PDTNekbat
Write this word down and everytime you see an IRI apologist who is supporting the regime and the insane brutality use it as if it is rolling off your tongue!
I give you an example;
So and so stop supporting a brutal regime, you nekbat! Or Nekbat! I will not waste my time with you. Or Yes only you can recite such nonsense, nekbat!
If you want you can use it in an example of your own and let me see if you're using it correctly.
Everything is sacred
Abarmard, this bit of wisdom must go hand in hand
by oktaby on Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDTwith your IRR building nuclear bombs being a great thing right now?
"policies...that hurt Iranians" are formulated and executed by the islamic republic; and give impetus to anti-Iran and anti-Iranians policies "in our host countries".
Iranians in diaspora are already impacting those policies positively. Will be instrumental both in supporting the movement in Iran, shaping it outside of Iran, and in support of inside of Iran. They will certainly be a key part of post IRR reconstruction. Iranians in diaspora will do what they can on all fronts.
There is a better way to help Iran: avoid giving half baked advice of dubious intentions to Iranians
Anonymouse: We disagree but that is part of the discussion and evolution. Time will tell.
OKtaby
Abarmard jaan we can do about 0.1% in host countries!
by Anonymouse on Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:19 AM PDTI think we should forget about helping Iranians if we go there for vacations. The best we can do is to understand what they are doing and which way they are headed and become a better person.
If Iranians can get their government to simply engage the international community as a sane player that is a major accomplishment. Islamic Republic does not leave us any sane positions to talk about in our host countries. Elvis has left the building!
Everything is sacred
Oktaby obviously I disgree with you but that's ok.
by Anonymouse on Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDTIf I agreed with you I'd not have written this blog and would not have titled it as such.
I think there is a desire to claim the Green movement as an over-arching movement that is all encompassing and so wide and generic that in my opinion ends up having no teeth or as otherwise known as "the wind party".
I believe what you are referring to are semi-green, no-green or anti-green. The secret to longevity of the Green movement is to understand who occupies it the most. As I mentioned I believe those who voted for Mousavi started it and they have the most to gain and actually represent the great majority.
Obviously what Mousavi says resonates with a great number of people and enrages Ahmadi and company. I just think it is wishful thinking to think Green movement has evolved into something that it isn't. I can compare it to calling oneself as Persian or Iranian. We shouldn't be ashamed to admit something. Saying so does not make it so! It is what it is!
Everything is sacred
Our best bet is to help Iranians
by Abarmard on Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDTBy unifying against policies in our host countries that hurt Iranians, we can play a positive role for the long-run social advantage.
There is no better way to help Iran.
Green is the color of the opposition. All opposition.
by oktaby on Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:54 AM PDTThat is now united in its basic democratic demands and more united than ever. The Green surpassed 'green' which is on death bed as of June 12, 210 and that recognition is already taking hold.
Dynamics of the movement are changing by stance of various players and growth of our collective understanding. It will further change as various events are sure to impact Iran.
The discussion for the heart and soul of Green and what it should represent is a healthy one. That no one owns Green is a distinct advantage. We need this movement to grow organically & connect to more layers of Iranian society that are too busy with their own daily chase for food to worry about islamic tyranny.
That would be the secret to longevity of Green, the democratic movement of the Iranian people; not how fast it replaces IRR with IR which is the only option Mousavi et al could/would possibly offer according to their own admission. An islamic republic cannot be an Iranian republic nor can it ever meet the basic demands of any democratic movement.
As for islamic republic (rapist or not), even the perception of Iranian moslems that it could has evaporated.
OKtaby
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by yolanda on Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDTI agree with you that:
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There is no perfect country and government in the world. There is no system that has solved all the problems and there will never be a government in Iran that solves all of its problems.
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I don't know where this green movement is going......I like the minimum demand from Mousavi's wife, "Release all the political prisoners from IRI's jails"......I am sick and tired of hearing people being executed for being "Mohrab"....... I am sick and tired of seeing people being dangled from the crane!!!
Thank you for your article!