Pro Democracy Movement of Iran (PDMI)

Why does every blog have to degenerate into my thing is bigger

than yours contest?

Why is there so much mud slinging around here?

What does holding an advanced degree (i.e., Ph.D.) have to do with applying common sense to matters that you have to deal with on a daily basis?

So, you are telling me that having a Ph.D. does NOT necessarily imply smart and cognizance.

And yet, you tied "the key to the paradise" around your neck and fought for that mad man Khomeini for eight years to prove that, the road to Kirballa and Qods is NOT a straight and achievable objective!? Much for your "common sense!"

Arash

Thank your for responding it does help. The one point of contention may be over MEK. I honestly don't care about Trita Paris or Dai. They could slug it out the next 20 years for all I care. I do oppose MEK however. As a person who supported the Pahlavi I hold them partially responsible for the revolution. I also have a lot of dislike toward them for both general and personal reasons. 

• At a philosophical level they are against everything I want. I want secularism they want Islam. I want free market they want Marxism. I want free elections they already picked the "President".
• At a patriotic level I find them to be unpatriotic. They sided with Saddam while Reza Pahlavi did the opposite. Despite being thrown out of Iran he was willing to fight for Iran.
• At a personal level I hold them responsible for the death of my cousin. Whom they abandoned in the mountains of Iran to die.

So I will oppose them not matter what they say. It is actions not words that matter to me. NIAC may and should be questioned. By the same token MEK should also. MEK has much more to answer for than NIAC. At most NIAC may be a front for IRI lets say it is. If so then they have not personally done much other than lobby. MEK on the other hand has done all the above. Plus it is keeping its members in virtual prison in Ashraf.

Reply to Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Veiled ....I am glad you think we have similar views.

My blog is labeled "Hakemiat e Mardom", ( read my bio at the bottom of my blog) I am a secularist and do not believe religion and state should mix, I do respect people and their religions. Unlike NIAC and Trita Parsi that does not think Bahaism is a religion, I consdier Baha'ism to be a branch of Islam and abhor the crimes committed against our Bahaii citizens  ask NIAc why it is silent on Bahai's but ridiculously takes on non issue and light weight subjects..such as diecrimination against Iranian Americans in the US?

I believe Shah, much like Mossadegh did the best he could do for Iran under the circumstances and I respect both as leaders of Iran. Ironic that we are silent on Qajars 200 year abuse.

I do not agree that NIAC is most powerful.....NIAC pretends and purports to be largest and most powerful..  that is the essence of this survey   not Dai and MEK....NIAC's internal memos shows that it lied about its numbers...NIAC to date will not list its members as a public non profit organization....  survey shows that clearly.  Yet, not a single person in this forum has discussed Trita's relationship with Bob Ney, Distefano and Coffee...so sad for those who hang around Iranian.com

Hope this helps!

Lets ask NIAC to conduct a similar public survey

NIAC falsely claims to be our (Iranian-American0 representative.  Why does not NIAC conduct a similar survey and keep it open and public for people to express their views?

Lets ask NIAC to conduct a similar public survey

NIAC falsely claims to be our (Iranian-Americans) representative.  Why does not NIAC conduct a similar survey and keep it open and public for people to express their views?

Lets ask NIAC to conduct a similar public survey

NIAC falsely claims to be our (Iranian-American0 representative.  Why does not NIAC conduct a similar survey and keep it open and public for people to express their views?

Trita and NIAC Opinion Survey

The issue whether Dai is MEK is irrelevant to the survey. Trita and Dai have been at it for three years in courts and Trita has not been able to support his claim, but Dai has been able to expose Trita. I have been accused of being a CIA, IRI, Israeli agent and a war monger by NIAC's minions. Dai has personally said he is not MEK. Why don't you apply the same reasoning to Trita and NIAC? His internal memos show clearly that he works for the regime and had broken US laws and is under investigation. The survey is open...It is all online for those who question the veracity. I would love for NIAC to conduct a similar survey and make it public and let the people express their opinions on NIAC.

Dai and MEK

The issue whether Dai is MEK is irrelevant to the survey.  Trita and Dai have been at it for three years in courts and Trita has not been able to support his claim, but Dai has been able to expose Trita. I have been accused of being a CIA, IRI, Israeli agent and a war monger by NIAC's minions.  Dai has personally said he is not MEK.  Why don't you apply the same reasoning to Trita and NIAC?  His internal memos show clearly that  he works for the regime and had broken US laws and is under investigation.  The survey is open...It is all online for those who question the veracity. I would love for NIAC to conduct a similar survey and make it public and let the people express their opinions on NIAC.

NIAC Survey

Dear Bavafa,

As I said I post articles of interest...those who are familiar with me and my writings will not be persuaded by your lies...show me a speicfic article that I have written and we can discuss thing without your insults.  This will be my last reply to you if you are not able to show a specifc article that I have written with your quotes....

Dai

I don't know about Arash; have not decided yet. But Dai is a voice for MEK. He is not my idea of honesty. If that is your idea of honesty we are one different wavelengths. Whether Parsi is good or bad is irrelevant. Dai is an MKO front and that is well known. 

Khoshkeledoc

I really hope days of IRI are numbered but I don't believe the 99 %. I do not even believe a 50%. I know this gets anti NIAC people mad. I myself have problems with NIAC. But it is a fact that you never get 99% or even 90% agreement among people on politics. In America you can not even get 90% to accept Obama is American! Not to mention on:

• Balanced budget amendment.
• Equal rights amendment.
• Gay rights
• Right to bear arms.
• Right of government to print paper money.
• Gold standard.
• State rights.
• Civil rights.
• Whether Lincoln was a great president of a tyrant.
• Whether Nixon was great of a criminal.
• Whether Bush was great or a moron.

So when someone tells me they got 99% on something it is nonsense. They know it and we know it. Now I put some reasonable and very polite questions to Arash. I was respectful and honest. I am waiting for a response. Will I get a response; that will tell me if he is real. Or if he is just blowing hot air.

Roozbeh

You are mostly right but we can do somethings. For example keep America and EU out of Iran. Their interference has generally been negative. IMHO it is best to not have them either on side of NIAC; MEK or any other organization. Therefore I support any organization with this motto: keep your hands off Iran! On the other hand Iranians outside Iran do have a say. We are Iranian and should have our say. But not to ask America to bomb Iran or to arm MEK! Anyway no harm comes out of arguing. Let us blow steam and argue. As you said the future will be determined by Iranians. Also keep in mind some Iranians go back and forth to and from Iran.

Statistical Significance

Even if you have very limited knowledge of statistical significance you will know that 95% is the indicator of this measure.  99% is unequivocably, without doubt, an even stronger indication that this sample is very strongly statistically significant.

Even if you are a (very niave) NIAC supporter, you will also know that this survey was not only open to the public around the world, but was even directly sent to NIAC + Parsi, so if you have any problems with its validity, reliability and representatives, you only have yourselves to blame.

Never mind, that is what cornered rats always do.

Even if you have no moral, human rights, political or other arguments, it is also beyond doubt that Hassan Dai and Arash Irandoost are two of the most honest, open, truthful, politically unaffiliated and polite Iranians you could hope to meet.  What a pity NIAC's personnel are the polar opposite, and have to rely on dishonesty, fraud and attempts to undermine such people in a direct copy of the regime's tactics.  All the evidence is there, and it will be provided to legal and governmental authorities.

Their days are numbered, and they know it.

Thank you Arash.

The blog, and 99% (if I may!) of responses.....

Just re inforces in my mind what I have always suspected:

The total irrelevance of these so called "organisations" such as NIAC to Iran and it's people. The future of Iran will be decided by Iranian people, on the streets of Tehran, Tabriz, sanandaj, rasht, esfahan, ahvaz, etc. Not by a bunch of crop dusting LA, Toronto, London residing fake armani wearing pseudo intellectuals who lacking trust and confidence in great people of Iran, hope to achieve their aims (read money) by petitioning this and that congressman of the US of A! 

Get it in your heads, people of Iran having shed their bloods to get rid of one tyrant, then being severly short changed by having a worse tyrant installed by your beloved US of A and ingilis, would never accept another chalabi like, US congress appointed tyrant. Be it Masoud joon or Trita Joon.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

99%

Even if you ask Iranians the easiest question which is, "Do you like Chelo Kabob?" you are not going to get 99% yes answers. Because nowadays there are vegetarian Iranians, cholesterol/blood pressure/no red meat Iranians, etc. So the best that one can get is 80-90%.

Unless you do your poll inside a Chelo Kabobi and after the plates are in front of the guests!

Also, a poll of this size generally has a margin of error of 3-4% which makes the 99% result statistically impossible.

Did you steal Saddam Hussein's pollster?

I love the "99% believe" results. Obvious trash.

Arash part II

Arash; it seems like we do agree on more than I thought. Here are more points and questions:

• I admire Kasravi. Here is a link to my blog: //iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh...
• I also have respect for Reza Shah and Dashti and to a lesser extent for the Shah.
• While not a Monarchist I tend to side with them most often. I wish Reza Pahlavi had more guts.

Now to questions:

• What is your position on Islam and secularism.
• What is your position on Shah and Monarchy.
• What is your position on Jebhe Melli.

One thing that is true is that NIAC is the most powerful Iranian American organization. Whether we like it or not this is a fact. Therefore I have advocated a new organization be formed which lack the bagegge.

Arash

I have spent a lot of time reading your site. Many of the points you make are in line with my thinking.

• Bob Ney issue. Your fact are correct in fact.
• NIAC is possibly in league with IRI. I have said it before.
• Mousavi is not the answer nor is IRI reformable.
• IRI is scared *** of a military response.
• Attack on Libya has scared the *** out of IRI
• NIAC is not a human rights organization; it is a lobby group.

However I just want to know a few things:

• Is Dai a front for MEK.
• What is your stance regarding MEK.
• Do you support or oppose MEK.

Bahrain

Belongs to Iran. It was given away by the Shah under British pressure. The population is Shia and looks to Iran (not IRI) as mother nation. Why should Saudi and Sunni dictators rule it? Irandoost (a misnomer) supports repressions of Bahrain population. Much as Saddam repressed the Shia Arabs in south of Iraq. I am not even a Muslim but an Iranian nationalist. I support Iranian influence in Bahrain. IRI is in no position to use military in Bahrain. But that does not mean Iran has abandoned Bahrain. It simply recognizes the reality of futility of military confrontation at this time.

Mehrdad Jan

Thanks for the links specially the bit on Reza Aslan. I normally do not agree with Aslan but he is right about the Republicans. BTW: My friend it is Persian Gulf not the Gulf :-)

• Republican party is anti women.
• It supports laws not that different from Sharia
• It opposes birth control and right to chose.

I am a male and a proud member of "Emily's List". Does that make me a subversive also! Are they in the same league as NIAC.

PhD

I have a pretty impressive set of degrees but do not advertise them. My point is exactly: what does it have to do with anything. In the old days Iranians with PhD used it to fool people. Now sar sag bezani doctor dar miyad. Stick to the fact and doctoratro be rokeh ma nakesh. We are not falling for "I am a PhD: be impressed" anymore. Ari said it well. You put up a page visited by NIAC haters and get the result you want. Why not go to "stormfront.org" and find out 99% think white people are superior!

Ari

Well said. I was visiting New Mexico and 99% of visitors to Roswell believe there are aliens being kept in a fridge. I think they are in a freezer.

Something isn't right!

Check your software.

آقای ایراندوست: شما ممکن PHD داشت باشید، ولی‌ فهم و شعور خیر!

Your response is not exemplary of a person who has learned how to communicate in a polite and civil manner.

Here is a link to your own provided web site.

//hakemiat-e-mardom.blogspot.com/p/personal-blog.html

Then scroll down to the section that reads with a link "Articles Written by Dr. Arash Irandoost"

//hakemiat-e-mardom.blogspot.com/

Then the third item is where I have got the quotes from.

The next article is your seemingly joyful article about Iran's defeat in supporting the Shia uprising in Bahrain and how Saudi and other Golf state deployed their military in that country.

Of course all other articles are worth reading to give a glimpse of your motives and affiliation.

I have no special loyalty to NIAC with the exception that I do strongly believe any organization that can unite Iranian-Americans voices and can give us a political representation in Washington is a good thing for all of us. My support or lack of is based on open mind yet very watchful for legitimate evidence and witch-hunt.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Why is it so hard for you guys?

Dear NIAC apologists?

It is all out there.  I mean Hassan Dai's claims that Trita ia a lobbyist for IRI...read NIAC's own internal memos released as a result of the lawsuit...not my words, not Dai's , not Trita's interviews to cover them up...his internal memos, his correspondence, emails, depositions ...read and then decide...to my amazement, most who support Trita have not bothered to look through his internal memos. Why?

My bad.... Shaze Mirza

As I guessed, you are too obssessed with the oposite sex to pay attention to the survey... A, for the effort though! Nice Try!

Arash

There are many things that I do not know about Iranian community aboard. I am not following anything on any court cases. I have no clue who are the other people you are mentioning.

Until recently that I joined IC I was not even aware of existence of NIAC and Dai. I do not even have satellite in my house to get Iranian / LA junk TVs and news ...

I. however, had the chance to listen to Dai's interview(s) and as well as his supporters on this site and by just following the inductive reasoning and observing Dai's and his supporters characteristic and arguments I should say:

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. 

vas-salam nameh tamam  

IRI and NIAC's Useful Idiots ....

Amil Imani writes:

Islam's Useful Idiots

Useful Idiots are naïve, they are foolish, they are
ignorant of facts, they are unrealistically idealistic, they are
dreamers and they are willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from
the ranks of the chronically unhappy. They are anarchists, they are
aspiring revolutionaries, they are neurotics who are at war with life,
the disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about
any and all institutions of society. The Useful Idiot can be a
billionaire, a movie star, an academe of renown, a politician, or from
any other segment of the population.
Arguably, the most dangerous variant of the Useful Idiot is the
“Politically Correct.” He is the master practitioner of euphemism,
hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception.

The Useful Idiot
derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment. He finds perverse
gratification in aiding the forces that aim to dismantle an existing
order, whatever it may be: an order he neither approves of nor feels he
belongs to.

The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He
fails to look inside himself and discover the causes of his own
problems and unhappiness while he readily enlists himself in causes that
validate his distorted perception.

Understandably, it is
easier to blame others and the outside world than to examine oneself
with an eye to self-discovery and self-improvement. Furthermore,
criticizing and complaining—liberal practices of the Useful
Idiot—require little talent and energy. The Useful Idiot is a great
armchair philosopher and “Monday Morning Quarterback.”

The
Useful Idiot is not the same as a person who honestly has a different
point of view. A society without honest and open differences of views
is a dead society. Critical, different and fresh ideas are the life
blood of a living society—the very anathema of autocracies where the
official position is sacrosanct.

Even a “normal” person spends a
great deal more energy aiming to fix things out there than working to
overcome his own flaws and shortcomings, or contribute positively to
the larger society. People don’t like to take stock of what they are
doing or not doing that is responsible for the conditions of which they
disapprove.

But the Useful Idiot takes things much farther.
The Useful Idiot, among other things, is a master practitioner of
scapegoating. He assigns blame to others while absolving himself of
responsibility, has a long handy list of candidates for blaming anything
and everything, and by living a distorted life, he contributes to the
ills of society.....

Dear Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

For your information I am a PHD, but what does that have to do with anything?  We are talking about an imposter who purports to be my representative...and I am dtermined to prove otherwise... go and take the survey and express your opinion...rather than trying to change the subject and distract.

Dear Bavafa - Bi Vafa mabaash

You could really teach a lesson or two to NIAC...wonder why Trita has not hired you yet?.. He could really use you....

on a more serious note:

Show me any such links that I have said any of those quotes you falsely claim to be mine....I do post articles of interest and importance regarding Iran...none of those on MEK you have posted are written by me...please do not spread misinformation... you only lose your own credibility.

If you care enought to trouble yourself...the survey is on line and active.. go to my blog...//hakemiat-e-mardom.blogspot.com/

pls, scroll down a couple of inches and to your right there is a box (5th box down) that says"

click on it and apologize if you have any dignity!(wishful thinking on my part)