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Obama threatend poor nations at Nobel peace speech
10-Dec-2009
Let’s skip what we already know about President Obama's thoughts on nukes, terrorism, dialogue, repression etc. and go to what was new about his Nobel peace lecture: He identified the Earth’s atmosphere as a valuable commodity, and preemptively flashed the US gun to claim this wealth.
Here’s how he said it “…the world must come together to confront climate change. There is little scientific dispute that if we do nothing, we will face more drought, famine and mass displacement that will fuel more conflict for decades. For this reason, it is not merely scientists and activists who call for swift and forceful action - it is military leaders in my country and others who understand that our common security hangs in the balance.”
Air has been recently monetized as a natural resource. Just like oil, air will no longer be free to countries who need it to run their factories. As with other raw materials, industrially developed nations are in conflict with the poorer nations over fair policies. Obama’s mentioning the US military comes a few days after a leaked climate control draft agreement showed that the richer nations secretly plan to shaft the poorer nations on this newly monetized resource.
Here are the implications of these intentions:
1. Poor countries will be forced to agree to specific emission cuts and measures that were not part of the original UN agreement.
2. Effective control of climate change finance will go to the World Bank, making money to help poor countries conditional on economic policies dictated by Western controlled financial institutions.
3. The international consensus reach by the Kyoto protocol– the only legally binding treaty on global emissions reductions—will be abandoned in favor of a gaav bandi between the rich nations.
The rich folks’ sneakiness repeats the history of the NPT agreement, where the nuclear “haves” used the treaty to keep a military edge over the nuclear “have nots,” never keeping their promise of removing the threat that nuclear bombs pose to the signatories who do not have a deterrent. The failure of the NPT instution is the prime cause of the current quarell with Iran.
The matter of failed global institutions highlights Obama’s quoting President Kennedy, "Let us focus on a more practical, more attainable peace, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in human institutions." Obama’s Nobel lecture, flashing the US gun at developing nations on climate control, was a bad start towards this evolution."
Obama wrapped up by saying, “We are fallible. We make mistakes, and fall victim to the temptations of pride, and power, and sometimes evil. Even those of us with the best intentions will at times fail to right the wrongs before us.” Humble of him to admit, but just as he emphasized that there must be consequences for repression, let's also emphasize that there will be consequences for “mistakes."
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Best Part: Obama told Norway - I ain't got time for this joke
by mannya2001 on Fri Dec 11, 2009 07:53 PM PSTThat's right, Obama slapped those Norwegian by snubbing their King's invitation for luncheon. He also didn't participate in a few social gatherings held in his honor.
I like that. At least I like when the Americans go over to Europe and tell them "Varchin baba."
It was nice for Norway to taste a bit of American Comboy mentality. Afterall, the Norwegians threw a concert and invited people like Wyclef and other American has been singers. I mean, give me a break, isn't there any talent in all of Norway that they actually have to ask Wyclef to come and sing.
But that is what we expect from these insignificant Euro countries. Bend over for US, get nothing in return. They can only vent their anger and frustration at their Muslim population. Who knows, maybe because of the Obama snub, they will now try to ban the name Mohammad and run a referendum on it.
Once again, Europe shows it has no spine. It will do anything to "be American." Poor Iranians living in Norway!! Such pride they must feel in their adopted home countries. They fled Iran only to end up in a junk yard.
Very interesting reflection
by benross on Fri Dec 11, 2009 06:49 PM PSTThe word "evil" is especially designed not to be a matter of degree.
François Mitterrand had an immortal term for it: the logic of war
This is where the dialogue ends and the truth becomes the first victim. The allusion to 'evil' is more American to me than conservatism per se. It is rooted in puritanism of America. Obama himself, being the son of an atheist father, must have had a deep philosophical reflection on that, for choosing to be a Christian.
But no matter how you describe it, there are some instances that the dialogue fails and the 'logic of war' takes over. We should be familiar with that in the past 30 years of our own history, inside and outside of the country, and if we look at Palestinian approach to Israeli issue, when we look at Osaama bin-Laaden and al-Qaaeda and when we look at the foundation of religion of Islam itself, we should be more fearful of our own potential to see the 'logic of war' as a prerequisite for dialogue! Isn't it what Obama sees as 'evil'? where 'their' logic of peace may fail? Churchill once said in a war, the truth survives by protection of a whole bodyguards of lies. Isn't what we were living, in a war, for the past 1400 years?
Obama is trying to convince us this is not 'their' logic of peace, it is universal. I tend to agree with him but with a clarification. It is indeed 'theirs' as a historical location where it was developed. But it is 'ours' because it belongs to all humanity. This may well explain why Obama sees U.S (himself) as the message and the messenger.
Did Obama thumbed down his nose at Nobel peace prize? It's a very good observation. But what the world mostly sees, is that Obama was lowering the expectation and warning that at times, peace can not be achieved without war. This could easily come out of the mouth of George Bush. But this time, this may well be to prevent it.
"wackos in the Middle East"
by Seagull (not verified) on Fri Dec 11, 2009 04:45 PM PSTwe all need to stop saying "I hate" then up our expectations of others.
untill then they freak you out and you freak them out.
VPK
by Seagull (not verified) on Fri Dec 11, 2009 04:40 PM PSTI think you are reading to much into it. Look at the europian union, many in the lawless tribal areas of the arab countries, afghanistan suffer in compelete autonomy, deprived of what is humane let alone agnostic.
We can not change the rule of law with Irfan, one would experience Irfan with a peace of mind if they have the law to protect them from the taliban that lives next door.
I hope I understood your question.
Thank you dear Veiled Prophet of Khorasan
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Fri Dec 11, 2009 04:07 PM PSTI loved your comment so much. After I saw the movie Jesus Camp, about the weekly ashura that takes place in the midwest, I freaked out. These people are basically saying that rather than ignore the religious wackos in the Middle East, we should emulate their behavior and prepare to fight them with a prophet and "truth."
It freaked me out also because of their obsession with the gun rights and desire to arm themselves against the "rest." The leader of the child brainwashers said that there are two people, pro-jesus or no jesus. That is what a lot of new age/ new religious people don't understand. I love America precisely because I can tune out god and religious chatter and have a pleasant life. 9-11 and the religious right wing changed that. now because of wacko muslims, we are all the opposite? i don't think so. i don't want a world war, and I don't want a world government. It seems like world war just turns into fewer, stronger governments.
admire you and others who
by vildemose on Fri Dec 11, 2009 02:31 PM PSTadmire you and others who warn us of the potential of one-world-governmnet. The only way to make sense of the contemporary world events is to believe that we area herded in that direction-yes, like sheep.
That is indeed the case because Transnational Corporation decided this 20 years ago seeing their profit margins being plateaued in 1st and 2nd world countries. Transnational corporations more than oil and energy need "consumers". In order to create consumers, they need to create desire and culture of consumption..So it goes!
Thanks Ari, et al
by Ali A Parsa on Fri Dec 11, 2009 02:19 PM PSTI admire you and others who warn us of the potential of one-world-governmnet. The only way to make sense of the contemporary world events is to believe that we area herded in that direction-yes, like sheep. This indeed is the scariest scenario no matter under what pretense- capitalist, communist, socialist, fascist, theist or athiest. Those of us who overlook this potential danger and spend time on trivial issues like condemning this little dictator or the other are simply barking at the wrong trees because they do not dare to bark at the major tree. Heaven forbid if that happens and if it does we will all find out that what we see now would be nothing compared to what we see under a world govenment. The only way to prevent that is to know the difference between "We, the People" and "We the Sheeple!"
khody
What concerns me
by Ari Siletz on Fri Dec 11, 2009 01:38 PM PST5. Digressing a little from the point of this blog, here is the heart of my objection to Obama winning the Nobel peace prize: The prize allowed US policy to claim global moral authority. Of course this was not the puropose of the prize. It was awarded for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples." But Obama's speech claimed much more (and the Nobel commitee should have known that he would). The president's speech had only a few sentences about the reason for his award, diplomacy. For the rest he went on and used the word "evil" against some groups, embraced the idea of just wars, and declared a verdict on the very issues that the process of discussion and diplomacy was to judge and settle. Effectively he thumbed his nose at the reason he was awarded the prize.
Could/Would MLK have become a US President "today"?
by Anonymouse on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:42 PM PSTIs there ever going to be a US President that won't stay behind the military? Palin saying Obama stole her word is so Palin. This is not a new concept. No one can ever get passed the primaries, much less become a US President, by not acknowledging the Commander in Chief title and his/her responsibilities under such title.
Them calling Obama evil is bad but us calling him more or less evil, is ok?
People keep calling Obama this and that and he keeps racking up accolades and this bothers the "think tanks" like Palin!
Everything is sacred.
Obama and Palin directions
by Ari Siletz on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:14 PM PSTPalin praised President Obama for the speech he gave Thursday to accept the Nobel Peace Prize. She said the president's defense of war to combat evil could have been taken from the pages of her memoirs.
"Wow, that really sounded familiar," said Palin, a frequent Obama critic. "I talked, too, in my book about the fallen nature of man and why war is necessary at times."
I had the same reaction as Palin at the speech. It sounded too familiar. Note the word "evil" which Obama has picked up from ultra-conservative vocabulary.
Obama is a smart fellow with a good intentions; but the quality of his will is not in the same class as Edabi ,MLK, Nelson Mandela, and Suu Ki because he suffers from excessive pragmatism. If MLK had caged his idealism inside the bare facts to the same extent, he might have declared that racism is a reality in the US and throughout human societies in general, so there isn't much anyone can do about it.
Ari jaan I don't see it that way. He's just pointing to neo-cons
by Anonymouse on Fri Dec 11, 2009 05:54 AM PSTFor this reason, it is not merely scientists and activists who call for swift and forceful action - it is military leaders in my country and others who understand that our common security hangs in the balance.
Ari jaan when we moved into the 21st century and the festivities and hoop la surrouding that year, I remember reading and a lot of talk about how the future wars will be about distribution of natural resources like water.
This week I saw reports on news about people in various countries already fighting over water.
This week I also saw just about all the idiots in the hezbollah faction of the Republican party, as well as Governor of Allahsaka - Palin - on her booksigning tour, pounce on an email or two and all talk about "climage gate". Did you see that?
So when they act this way over an email or two, what are they going to do when water or atmosphere becomes an issue? It is they (not Obama) who are already threatening the world and showing how stupid and trigger happy they are about climate issues. Obama's speech was just to present the world with the military leaders "and others" in America. Obama already knows the "scientists and activists".
The nobel peace prize is a valued prize. It's been given to MLK, Ebadi, Nelson Mandela, Suu Ki and others. They don't give it to anyone and they knew who Obama was. They knew he was leader of a country with 2 wars going on. They knew he represented the most advanced military in the world.
Their decision was not a fluke. Their decision was based on the direction of where he was heading. He represented one direction and Palin another (not sure which direction ;-).
I found his speech in line with the difficult points the committee had to consider before finally giving him the award. Good speech.
Everything is sacred.
Dear Veiled Prophet of Khorasan
by Nur-i-Azal on Fri Dec 11, 2009 04:05 AM PSTA world government at this point in human development is about the worst system I can imagine...The greatest evil comes out of Utopians.
Hear, hear! But be careful expressing this to Seagull and assorted brethern here or you might be accused of being an agent of the IRI and baseeji like Marge and I have.
Very well put!
To Seagull
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Dec 10, 2009 08:39 PM PST1) What happens to people who do not beleive in the "single god"? I am not kidding. I know many atheists and pagans. What about their rights.
2) What happens when the "World Federal" system becomes corrupted or taken over by a dictator? Where do we go then. Many of us escaped IRI and went to different countries. Imagine if the whole world was just one IRI. Then where would we go?
A world government at this point in human development is about the worst system I can imagine. At least now we have options. Lots of things sound good on paper but turn out to be disasters. The greatest evil comes out of Utopians.
The Piggy Bank Strikes Back
by Eskandar8Here on Thu Dec 10, 2009 08:36 PM PSTOn March 4th 2008, the martial in the United States' personality assumed retrograde motion for the first time since July 4th 1776, and will not resume an outward expression until November 10th of 2085. This more than likely means that US struggles will be internal in nature rather than external for the next 76 years. Already, it is easy to see that the US economy cannot bear the cost of the country's expenditures on maintaining it's imperial armies around the globe and simultaneously afford such necessities as health care for it's people for example. The Piggy Bank has defeated the Empire by a long shot.
A sobering period of adjustment is in play, as more than a trillion dollars in expenditures on the military is mentioned more frequently now as a fiscal and monetary calamity wears down the optimistic, forward looking American psyche. What I thought I heard in Obama's speech was ever so faint allusions to the idea that after sixty years, it is time for new global security arrangements.
He kept refering to necessary wars like the one in the Balkans that restored democracy there. Was this a warning to the Iranian regime? Threats and covert operations will become more frequent as the empire collapses in on itself. Other than an indirect wink, The young generation in Iran protesting for freedom and opportunity better not read too much into Mr Obama's speech. The mullahs and their henchmen don't scare easily by speeches.
Thursday, December 10,
by vildemose on Thu Dec 10, 2009 06:15 PM PSTThe world has noted the irony that President Barack Obama is delivering his acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize after launching an escalation of the Afghanistan war. Of course, the critique is a little misplaced, since the prize is for a specific policy success, not for being a pacifist.
Still, Mr. Obama was clearly given the prize to encourage him in the direction of peace. It is the tragedy of the sole superpower that it is unconstrained by peers and so can launch wars of choice and shatter international law at will. It can be counseled but not blocked. He was awarded this honor as a counsel.
So here are the things Obama can do to redeem his prize.
1. Get out of Iraq on schedule. We can't stop their low-intensity conflicts, and they are more likely to compromise with each other if we are not there.
2. Resist calls for Iran to be bombed. Such a raid would guarantee that Iran would start a crash program to develop a nuclear weapon, and there would be no way to stop it short of full-scale war.
3. Stop allowing the CIA to operate drones with which to assassinate people. It is illegal and shameful. The US military must be in charge of defending the country by force or we are a police state.
4. Get the Palestinians a state by the end of 2011, even if by unilateral recognition. Palestinian statelessness is the biggest human rights scandal in the world, since citizenship is the right to have rights. This step alone would solve the bulk of US problems in the Arab world and would deal a deadlier blow to al-Qaeda than capturing Bin Laden.
5. Stick to the plan of beginning a US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan in summer 2011. Karzai and the generals will attempt to embroil us in a decades-long quagmire. No one will remember his Nobel peace prize if President Obama lets that happen.
//www.juancole.com/2009/12/top-things-that-would-redeem-obama.html
I love the cartoon
by OmidKarimi on Thu Dec 10, 2009 05:59 PM PSTIt says it all. What a comedy.. Obama, a nobel peace prize winner..
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also rejected culture as
by vildemose on Thu Dec 10, 2009 05:09 PM PSTby ramintork on Thu Dec 10, 2009 08:42 AM EST
... the failure to uphold human rights is excused by the false suggestion that these are Western principles, foreign to local cultures or stages of a nation's development....
Comprehensive analysis of
by vildemose on Thu Dec 10, 2009 05:07 PM PSTComprehensive analysis of Obama's speech:
//www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/10/812776/-Pride.-Unapologetic-Pride.-And-Pictures-Too.-
Ari, you may find the followin passage related to the subj
by Seagull (not verified) on Thu Dec 10, 2009 04:46 PM PSTect with its implications.
" A world federal system, ruling the whole earth and exercising unchallengeable authority over its unimaginably vast resources, blending and embodying the ideals of both the East and the West, liberated from the curse of war and its miseries, and bent on the exploitation of all the available sources of energy on the surface of the planet, a system in which Force is made the servant of Justice, whose life is sustained by its universal recognition of one God and by its allegiance to one common Revelation -- such is the goal towards which humanity, impelled by the unifying forces of life, is moving."
(Baha'u'llah, The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. xiii)
Khob Deegeh It's Called ... BLAXPLOITATION ;0)
by Darius Kadivar on Thu Dec 10, 2009 04:00 PM PSTSHAFT !
Shaft (1971) / Richard Roundtree IN PERSIAN:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1APokqF1Zg
Last time he was Nice ... Now He is ICE !
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXFzFYt12-g
Cause Nobody's Perfect :
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLW5jzHsW7c
LOL