Listening to Stanley Meyers' Cavatina from the post Vietnam era movie Deer Hunter, I wondered why art depicting the Iraq or Afghanistan wars lack the powerfully meditative tone of the Cavatina. Is it because Americans are no longer allowed to see their dead soldiers and the destroyed family lives? As these wars quietly kill, just as quietly the censorship wipes away the American soul.
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Yes Ari
by HHH on Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:15 AM PSTYou're exactly right about "Censorship wiping away the American soul".
I noticed that also and one more thing, the US media started adding violent, anti-family shows & sports around early to mid 1990s, Fox channel being the leader, and now TruTV. It feels as if they're getting American minds ready for a cruel attack on an innocent someone or some nations. We are witnessing the first 30 years of their attacks and seems like there are more to come specially if Republicans take over. Not that Democrats are any different but at least, on the outside, they pretend to hate war. On the inside, Hillary says "We'll annihilate Iran if....".
Zara, will follow up on recommendations. .
by Ari Siletz on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:56 PM PSTFour Lions!!!
by Zara on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:14 PM PSTOkay, it's not exactly meditative, but it's brilliant and definitely one for our time. Maybe outrageously black humor is a wiser response to what's happening now. Also, perhaps it's not surprising that the most powerfully self-reflective war films recently are coming out of Israel -- see Waltz with Bashir or Tank.
Zara, true about delayed reaction.
by Ari Siletz on Wed Nov 17, 2010 09:29 PM PSTI've heard The Messenger is a pretty good Iraq movie. Haven't seen it yet maybe becaue my favorite reviewer Roger Ebert while positive about The Messenger merely said that the film doesn't overdo the tearjerking. Compare with what he said about Deer Hunter: "...one of the most emotionally shattering films ever made." "The game of Russian roulette becomes the organizing symbol of the film: Anything you can believe about the game, about its deliberately random violence, about how It touches the sanity of men forced to play it, will apply to the war as a whole. It is a brilliant symbol because, in the context of this story, it makes any ideological statement about the war superfluous." Obviously the latter film affected this insightful critic much more deeply.
delayed reactions
by Zara on Wed Nov 17, 2010 06:45 PM PSTAri, when The Deer Hunter first came out, the talk at the time was about how long it had taken for any film on Vietnam to surface--and not so much whether the audience was ready, but as if artists needed to process the subject slowly. What's interesting is how media has shifted and stuff pours onto YouTube and films get made in the blink of an eye, with more gut-level response than reflection. And maybe it has something to do also with how long this war has lasted.
Dear Ari, it is not just movies about war and it is not just US
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed Nov 17, 2010 01:12 PM PSTDear Ari, thanks for a thought provoking blog. When I first came to US, talk shows discussed serious issues like nuclear disarmament and other political issues on a semi regular basis. I see a kind of Americans becoming more interested in entertainment and light type of news . Back then, just about now (near holidays), there would be many serious movies or at least non commercial ones. It is just a more commercial society. But then, it is the same about Iran. Iran during late 70s and early 80s saw more of population thinking about politics and being engaged in it. Yes, last year, we had green movement but nowadays, compared to 30 years ago, from what I hear and read, Iran is a more shallow society too. So as you say, maybe censorship is wiping away at American society just as worse type of censorship in Iran, has done to Iranians.
Pssst, let's talk about this in a few years
by Monda on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:32 PM PSTshall we?
Valley of Elah
by Ari Siletz on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:03 AM PSTBavafa: I know what you mean about Deer Hunter being hard on you. Almost everyone I have talked to who has seen action in battle or has been through a war (I never have) finds it devastating.
Comrade, Zara:
Good point about mercenary vs. draft. It certainly makes a difference in the tone and angle of war films. Keep in mind though that the US draft ended five years before Deer Hunter was made. The movie has heart becasue it has profound Vietnam era experiences and emotions to work with, emotions that censorship of war news and commentary no longer allow. It's all in the Cavatina.
Dunno about the Music score but here is another powerful plot
by Darius Kadivar on Wed Nov 17, 2010 09:23 AM PSTIn the Valley of Elah - Official Trailer (2007)
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sNe_di4iJk
PLOT SYNOPSIS:
Mike Deerfield returns to the U.S. after his tour of duty in Iraq and abruptly goes missing. His father Hank, a spit-and-polish ex-MP from the Vietnam era, goes looking for him. What he finds goes to the heart of American combat experiences in the Iraqi conflict. A probing, powerful, fact-based look at fathers and sonsand at a nation and the young soldiers it sends into battle. Hank's quest lays bare a tangled web of cover-up, murder, mystery and profound revelation about the personal costs of war.
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DIRECTOR:
Paul Haggis
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CAST:
Tommy Lee Jones, Charlize Theron, Susan Sarandon, Jason Patric, James Franco, Josh Brolin, Jonathan Tucker, Frances Fisher
How else are we going to meet our quota recruits at the highshoo
by Bavafa on Wed Nov 17, 2010 09:11 AM PSTand in regards to the movie itself
I watched this movie for the first time roughly about a year+ after I had finished service and moved from Iran. It was the hardest movie I have ever watched.
Mehrdad
Comrade is right about the
by Zara on Wed Nov 17, 2010 07:39 AM PSTComrade is right about the conscription. The mood of the Cavatina is not appropriate for mercenaries.
Pssst, soldier to soldier
by comrade on Wed Nov 17, 2010 02:39 AM PSTSimply because it is not a conscripted war, yet. Heroes still needed. Hollywood is for home consumption, more than we think.
Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.