Arj O mand

Mehrban jan as always you are right.

Denial of existence of torture in the Pahlavi era

and character assassinations of the ones talking about it, only erodes the fragile credibilty of the Monarchists restored by RP's democratic gestures and IR's unspeakable brutality.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M19qr7p1GU

No thanks needed Arj!

Transformation of violence

Thank you all for your inputs -- even ones I found objectionable! I'd like to reiterate here that the motivation behind this blog was to help convey a message by the otherwise neglected victims of torture and state-sanctioned violence before the inception of IRI that receive next to no media exposure. Nowadays (and quite rightly so) there are reports of both violation of human rights by the Islamic regime ruling our nation and condemation of such violations that are featured on here and elsewhere on global scale and daily basis.

While the urgency of condemnation of IRI's violation of HR is a matter of no perplexity, it is of grave importance to condem all violations of HR, including torture, at all times -- including under the Pahlavi regimes, and regardless of emotional atttchments and political inclinations that prompt one group among us, or another to justify or even discount such crimes -- if we as a nation are committed to the basic principles of democracy and a civil society!

However, limiting unequivocal condemnation of violation of human rights in terms of time, location, purpose and motivations of its perpetrators, not to  mention denial or justification of such violations, will bring us nothing but perpetuation of this cycle of violence that has been haunting us as a nation!  

Mehrban Jan that's Quite Possible ;0)))))))

As a Francophile I never quite admit defeat !

But then if you bring in another pretty and kind friend along I wouldn't say no to a Foursome ;0)))

I'm sure my dear anglophile would agree ... 

The more the merrier ...

Hee Hee

عینک جان یه اصل سوم هم بهش اضافه کن درست میشه

۳ - آیا میشود روزی مصدق اللهی‌ها ( و پرای تکمیل قافیه شاه الهی‌ها و حزب الهی ها) کمتر دوررغ بگن؟ نمیگم اصلا دوررغ نگن  چون واسه مزاجشون خوب نیست ولی فقط یه خورده کم‌تر بگن؟ مثلا همین "ارج" خودمون میگه اصلا یکی‌ از "کامنت"‌های منو هم نخونده ولی جالبه که میگه چون  من رعایت ادب (یا آداب) رو نمیکنم و برخورد بی‌  احترامانه دارم و هدفم دنبال کردن یک بحث حقیقی‌ و صادقانه نیست و فقط میخوام بحث را از مسیر اصلی‌ خارج کنم!! آخه شما بگو چطور می‌شه یکی‌ با نخوندن یکی‌ از کامنت‌های من اینهمه اطلاعات راجع به من داشته باشه؟!!

اصل سوم یادت نره! 

Siavash300, its not even what you are saying, though well said

Human Rights during shahs time really were alot better than at anytime before in recent Iranian history, he cared about it alot.  You say each system has a dark side, the shah-han-shahi's was really not what this guy in the video portrayed at all.  I pity Iranians who are anti-monarchist deeply, it's not their fault entirely.  There were some foreign funded terrorists and then there were some self serving & likely foreign funded liars like in the video,
posted in the article above.  Shahs time really was not what was and is
being portrayed by anti-monarchists and anti-pahlavists.  Watch their
actions and see who they serve and how.  All This is because Iran has been and is
going through a long WAR for the last 75 years with the west trying to thwart Irans development and these guys don't even know how badly the shah struggled against them before he was crushed and now it looks as if the west has won for good as Iran becmes another poor 3rd world democracy like the democratc republic of congo with all those resources taken for free and industrialization totally halted.  Siavash Propaganda is the first tool of the wests WAR, it is known
as neocolonialsim and our fellow Iranian morons are the
victims of it, yet they don't now how.  Look at what happened to the shah trying to save these fools/countrymen clueless.  Iran will be long gone if we leave it up to
anti-monarchists who are well manipulated and who are living in the delusion that the west wants
to help Iran be a democracy out of the goodness of their ideals.  Tough watching the sheep get lead to their slaughter time and time again, totally sincere and yet totally unaware of the national rape going on and planed for the future, its sources and what the future could sadly hold.  Seeing what is going on and just idly watching is pretty heartless and gutless, but some times speaking up when the odds are so badly stacked against Iranians and thanks to the wests misinformation approach by Iranians themselvs it is not wise to try to help either. 

آیا می شود با آغاز سال نو،

آیا می شود با آغاز سال نو،   نتیجه گیری مثبت از این بلاگ گرفت؟
-۱-برای مثال- آیا ما حاضریم بدون قید و شرط هرگونه شکنجه را برای اخذ اطلاعات به هر نیت که باشد محکوم نماییم؟
۲-آیا ما حاضریم آرزوی روزی را داشته باشیم که کلمه شکنجه از گفتمان سیاسی ایران حذف گردد؟
مسئله شکنجه چه در دوران رژیم گذشته و چه در حکومت فعلی از ارکان سرکوب
آزادی های به منظور ایجاد خفقان سیاسی بوده و هست. آنچه مورد تعجب است
اینکه چگونه برخی این روش را به هر گونه --توجیه- میکنند.   اگر مسئله
"امنیت" حاکمیت و نه حقوق شهروندان رکن اساسی باشد پس به همان نتیجه ای
خوهیم رسید که "ده نمکی" میرسد:
به گفته ده نمکی: "«حذف معاندین» جزو برنامهٔ
نظام‌های مختلف دنیاست که از راه‌های گوناگون صورت می‌گیرد. در مورد افرادی
که نامشان در پروندهٔ قتل‌های زنجیره‌ای مطرح است (متهمان) نیزـ به دور از
گرایشهای سیاسی ـ باید گفت به وظایف قانونی خود یعنی «حذف معاندین» عمل
کرده‌اند. در یک سیستم، همان طور که عده‌ای مشغول جمع‌آوری اطلاعات هستند،
عدهٔ دیگری هم مأمور حذف دشمنان می‌باشند و معمولا از دستهٔ دوم که
زحماتشان بیشتر از سایرین است، کمتر تقدیر و تشکر می‌شود."
پس ایشان همان حرفی را می زند که برخی هواداران ثابتی در اینجا مطرح
میکنند.   تازه برای ثابتی های حکومت اسلامی (سعید امامی ) انتظار جایزه هم
دارد. از جمله موج نو در این جریان   شکنجه -از اینکه ساواک آنگونه که
باید خشن تر عمل نکرده گله مندند.
راستی می شود به ۲ اصل نام شده بدون قید و شرط توافق کرد؟

Selective response, selective event in history

"Just like IRI, those who do not share your views are "enemies!" And you're not even in power! At least IRI pretended to respect freedom of opinion" Arj

 Seems we are not communicating. I said there are thousand and thousand events during shah's time that you can discuss. For example, before "white revolution" the virgin girl in rural area spent the first night of her wedding in Feodal (landlord) house. Shah banned that practice. Is that clear for you? Now, question is why don't you discuss that at all ? Why don't you write a blog regarding that inhuman practice?

Again There was "free nutrition" in schools to prevent children from being hungery. Why don't you write any blog in that regard? Is every political system perfect. Just shahanshahi had deficiency?

That is first step of democracy. To have diversity. Do you obey the law of diversity? NO, Why not?

You know very well that all political organizations have been bashed brutally by stinky ruling mullahs. "Padeshahi" is the only institute that preserved our culture during last 32 years. Unlike MKE, Jebhe Melli and all those garbages that came up over night,  We have had Padeshahi for over 5000 years.  "Padeshahi" is the only political system may take power any day right now because our people are familiar with that system, so what is the purpose of these propaganda against Pahlavi dynasty? Who is benefiting from these propaganda? I let you answer this question without accusing you of anything.

I hope you don't get selective in answering these questions.

Arj after watching the hour long video you posted, my wisdom 4 u

Some people will swear that black is white - whilst those who can
actually see the truth will often keep their voices to a whisper.  I can only ask Iranans to be smart and beware the drum-bangers. And, when people keep pressing home the
same point, we should not beware any less.  Others are now making public pronouncements. You feel inclined to
disbelieve these - yet as an innocent Iranian without access to much real information you do not have much evidence to back up your
interpretation of events. Even so, you should trust your own judgement.
Don't listen, to what's being said, watch what's being done.

Arj Friendly Summary of what is wrong with your post & views

You are twisting the truth to meet your own ends and in the process lying plenty too.

ARJ not true again, Geee what an upstanding guy

that a "war situation"  would justify "occasional torture" read my post, no situation ever justifies unlawful crimes, yes it must be addressed.  I said that rare cases do occur during wars and infact i don't know of any wars when they do not occur to a small degree, that does not justify it.  So who would you pursue regarding the killing of 16 Afghan kids by soldiers recently, obama, Leon Pannetta or any of the soldiers caught in the act with some verifiable evidence against them?  If the act is not policy and procedure, if it is not happening regularly, who is at fault?  The entire US miltary?  The Leaders? Or those that committ the crime?   My views have absolutely no comparison to the IRI and its supporters, those are the types of criminals/terrorists that used to be safely behind bars.  They are the ones that have widespread torture, who kill over 10,000 prisoners over a few days.  You are in denial regarding the truth and so you are misinforming people grossly Arj, kind of like how the world media misinformed people and acted as a tool of foreign policy and propaganda in favor of the USA and IRI not Iranians.  Really Arj most unbiased people know I am nothing like the Mullahs and neither was the late shah, your struggle to prove the opposite reminds me of the struggle of a worm going through mud to make its way only to have a bird pick it up and eat it.  You're approach, disingenuous and based on twisting the truth makes you a candidate for being eaten alive like a worm, don't scream at me when your side gets wiped across the floor by a long line of people that have been harmed as a direct result of your approach in lying about the monarchy and king of iran.  What you are in need of is a spine to stand upright, you won't find that if you look up to the USA and its republics way of treating the world, using deceit, coercion and manipulation works for the mafia and the usa, but not forever.  AS We monarchists are honestly and individully judged by iranians we will move Iranians forward in recreating for everybody peace, freedom, justice, progress, human rights and at some point even the ideal of democracy as practiced in Europe by couries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden or the Netherlands.

Oh Darius Jaan, you are just jealous

because anglophile likes me better than you :).

Just kidding ;).    

Please watch the video posted here by Arj, their mounths dry up talking about their experience of torture even after more than 30 years.

In the words of the honorable Mr. Mostafae:

I want a calm Iran, enough with the violence. 

Re claims

APFSM, I asked you a simple question, after endlessly beating around the Bush, you accuse me of lying!

I don't have to prove you wrong! I don't have to prove to you that SAVAK tortured political prisoners, for there are coountless evidences and witnesses that do that! But for me, your own answers suffice to prove that you are no better than a Hezbollahi/IRI supporter! Only worshipping a different idol!

Let's recount: you blieve that under the Shah there weren't political prisoners, but "enemis of national secuirty" and "terrorists" and that a "war situation" would justify "occasional torture" and that criminals and torturers are in fact "law experts" and "decent people" who are concerned about national security... Should I go on?! Doesn't that remind you of something? IRI has been using the exact same justifications for the same crimes! For the majority of its victims have been the same folks -- "terrorists" and "enemies of national secuirty" -- after all!

P.S. Nelson Mandela was branded as terrorist by Americans for his armed struggle against apartheid!

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Siavash, you are showing the true nature of monarchists! Just like IRI, those who do not share your views are "enemies!" And you're not even in power! At least IRI pretended to respect freedom of opinion and claimed that "even Marxists will be free to have their opinion!"

ALternatively Arj you could post pictures documented by Amnesty

International, Documented in 1978, when they would view and film prisoners behind a see through mirror, walking and talking with other inmates and then when members of amnesty international would come to intervew them, they would start limping developing maladies for camera and saying they had been tortured with cables and they could not walk properly.  You could show the large number of fake cases that were being manufactured and disproved before international bodies, by members of the mek, mullahs and communist party.  Portray questions honestly and this will serve real victims the best as well as the people of iran.  Like Was Savak involved in widespread, with orders from the top down, to just ordinary politcal prisoners doing torture?  Or were there rare cases, performed unlawfully by individuals against terrorists (still wrong) who were not political prisoners and actively killing, torturing and bombing iranian citizens? 

No need to apologise Arj. You read/write history selectively!

I don't write for the consumption of Mossadeghollahis or the Shahollahis. Writng and reading selective history is your practice. Unlike you old chap, I have no fear of the full history. I comment and post for the benefit of those who, unlike you, have no fear of learning the ugly truth, be it about the Shah or about the good Dr M.

Arj, regarding the photoshopped photo

This is a fake photo, period. It does not matter whether it's a photo of a dummy or not. I would not be surprised if the IRI photoshopped even a dummy. They have done far more stupid things in the past, and not just once.

Either way, again I ask why use a fake photo? In the years 1978 and 1979, there were hundreds upon hundreds of real photos of victims. Why not use one of them?

- Rostam

Jeeee Arj what an upstanding guy. Even uses IRI exhibits

Real trustworthy.  He's Believable and concerned with whats good for you.  Help Iranians see what their parents were unaware of, make it clear and you will gain self respect.  Mislead unaware people and if you keep using the same old tricks too many times, you will get busted like all other career criminals.

Mehraban Jan What I LOVE most about you is your gentillesse ;0))

Your Genuine Kindness is truly Charming not to say disarming ...

It truly makes your innocent and pure observations on an era you probably only know through "anecdotes" and "clichés" fed to you by crowd pleasing political correct assessments delivered by ex revolutioraries only recently turned "secular"  ...

COLUMBIA PRESENTS: Academic Excellence With Hamid Dabashi & Sadri Bros

Well How can I put it ... Well ... Er ... Cute ... YES THAT's IT...  CUTE Observations indeed ... 

Or as Jean Dujardin would say ... 

;0))) 

Recommended Blog:

Alleged SAVAK Victim testifies on an American Liberal TV

Shahrnush Parsipur: "I was Never Physically Tortured by the SAVAK" 

Re "fake photo"

Rostam, what seems to be fake about this picutre? I told you that the setting is an actual place that used to be a prison under the Shah, and is now turned into an exhibit/museum. The bed and the setting are real, but the body on the bed is a dummy! So. why does it have to be Photoshoped? No one claimed that this is an actual person in that picture!

Here, for the third time, you can check the rest of the photos which are taken by the same person of different locations inside that well-known prison with dummies all over the place and real people visiting the exhibit: //www.payvand.com/news/12/feb/1092.html

You seem to have an obsession with thtat picture! What is it exactly that bothers you, that the photo is taken by a photographer working for Mehr News? Or is it because for some reason beyond my understanding you believe it's photoshoped? Firstly, just because the picture was taken by a news agency in Iran, it does not make it fake, for there are photos by Mehr News posted everywhereon the WWW including on here. They take pictures of various public places, museums, natural scenary and even perspolis, Ali Ghapu... but that does not make them fake!

Secondly, the pictures show an exhibit in which dummies are made up and dressed as guards and prisoners. Why would anyone want to alter a picture that contains a dummy? Wouldn't it be easier to alter the dummy?! And thirdly, why sould this picture offend the victims of the said prison (for if you realize, I'm not the first one posting it on the web, they can be seen elasewhere on Payvand News, and possibly many other places on the WWW!)?

Arj regarding lies/exagerations vs correct presentation.

Iran did capture political prisoners.  But political prisoners were not treated the way many have come to perceive, when people mindlessly quote "Savak Tortured".  I know because I directly have family in every political group Iran had minus MeK, those that were communist and anti-secular/religous extremist were taken prisoner by Savak, they are peaceful people and not leadership, based on what they told me none of them were ever tortured (though psychologically they were very scared by the process/which pschologically would break peoples spirit, that is what they said to me personally first hand). 

There was a war going on in Iran vs the Soviets (Iran was on the US side) despite appearances of a working relationship.  This would result in the capture of Savak agents & national police officers, their torture and eventual murder.  So in the case of the political prisoners you mention, the leadership category of groups who participated in ordering torture, murder and bombings against the regime, I would prefer you call them by the same name the brits used to call the pro-republican Irish, not political prisoners, but terrorists.  For example, Khomeini, Khameneii, Rafsanjani and Karroubi, Rajavi some if not many of their followers/members were career criminals/terrorists, not politcal prisoners, on their leaders orders/not spontaneously, they had even succeeded in murdering Mansour an Iranian Prime Minister, not to mention Cinema Rex When you mention poltical prisoners, it causes me to assume that you are talking about people who have a different point of view which is tolerant of others "like Nelson Mandela" a real political prisoner who himself and those who worked with him /members were never active in killing anyone.  Look at the names of 1200 people Savak had held, none of them are from peaceful groups (mek was dangerous and foreign funded like ALL of the other ones kept incarcerated).

On Torture specifically, there were real incidences of abuse of procedures and standards of savak/torture, one head was immediately put under house arrest by shah though this was in the early 60's I'm not sure when exactly.  People in Savak all knew from the top that torture was illegal, not acceptable under any circumstances and that if anyone officer knew about it they would come after the illegal behavior.  Now did that stop all torture, no.  When the issues of torture are discussed by Iranians, it is portaryed as if it was widespread, which is easy to prove it was not, & the shah or his officers or his advisors were knowlegeable or suported it and that is a Big Lie because they were not aware of it.  These guys were law school students running savak, with parents who were of good standing, they and all employees of Savak had been through educational programs to address issues of torture in the UK (and these programs didn't do any good for the Russians, UK, USA as they would also have torture cases too).  The problem is war.  I can't think of a single war that doesn't have a few people, (not institutional/widespread) under extreme stress abuse their power and have the means to cover up their crimes from their bosses, that doesn't excuse the cases that happened, but they were not the main role of the organization SAVAK.  Secret services are necessary for countries so long as their is perpetual war that they act properly is essential but does this mean some interregator won't commit a crime and everything will be perfect.  I don't know. 

Intelligent people, who you can't lie to easily and who are not easily duped like the masses, know for sure, that it is not reasonable to expect people with a civilan back ground, peaceful, law abiding people, like graduate doctors and lawyers with no mental health problems, to act unlawfully. against their own interests/the law and against their own conscience.  That is why when Sabeti and all the civilian officers that worked in the department say they know of no cases of torture or of people that tortured it's because their job was to make sure torture did not happen (to protect themselves legally) and this is something the russians, the brits, the usa all knew to be true of Savak.  Having said all that there were a few cases of abuse/torture that did in fact occur, though not condoned or approved of by anyone up top.  This is why when people like you Arj ask insincerely, which part of the above is a lie? The fact that there were political
prisoners under the Pahlavi regime, or the fact that the prisoners were
tortured?  I say Iranians need to know ALL of the Truth and why the torture issue was essentially used as a component of the propaganda approach used by Carters team to inspire Rage and create political pressure using unaware iranians.  Now 33 years later people wish to know, why the previous generation made a mistake.  Help Iranians see what their parents were unaware of, make it clear and you will gain self respect.

Wrong interpretation

"Shah gave people free food, did that give him the right to put people in jail for their political views?!" Arj

Of course NOT. Who said such a none sense. I was just suggesting each establisment has pros and cons. Prabably savak was the negative aspect of shah's system. Although I hesitate that part also. please look at my blog here:

Human rights during shah days

Now, supposedly all stinky ruling mullah's claims are correct. On broad aspect of the system there were thousands positive stuff that seems never occurs in your mind. I was wondering why?

At this historical conjuction that our people are fighting with these Islamic bastards who occupied Iran someone like you come up and try to weaken Pahlavi family and monarchy system. Do you know where you are standing? Do you know whom you are feeding? It doesn't need to be Einstain to know where you are standing and whom you are supporting by speaking negatively of former regime.  

Arj

I did not leave a comment to argue about politics, but it seems that you took my comment as such. All I am saying is that "out of respect" for any victims, specially surviving ones, you must remove this fake photo and replace it with another.

Your argument that this photo is true and well documented by the "IRI" works against your own case, since anything that comes from IRI has a high probability of being a lie. Anyone with a moderate expereince in graphics could tell you that this photo is fake.

What do you want me or others to think? On the one hand you are defending the "hormat" of the surviving prisoners, which we are all for it. But on the other hand, you are stepping on that very same "hormat" by posting a fake photo, which could rightfully bother some of us.

I know that it bothered me, so why can't you respect this simple request of another Iranian citizen to change this fake photo to another? If not for the readers of your blog, then I am asking you to do so out of respect for surviving prisoners and their families.

Again, please kindly remove this fake photo and post another. There is nothing wrong with using a true photo instead. Thank you.

-Rostam

Re "lies" & "suggestion"

Dear APFSM, which part of the above is a lie? The fact that there were political prisoners under the Pahlavi regime, or the fact that the prisoners were tortured?

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Siavash, you seem to like to repeat irrelavant, trivial issues time and again! I mentioned this before, and I eiterate that I never had lunch at school. And even if I did, what is that supposed to prove? Not to mention that you're making a groundless claim that during Shah there were no hungary people, a claim that even Americans can't make! But that discussion is not the purpose of this blog anyway!

However, for the sake of the argument, let's say Shah gave people free food, did that give him the right to put people in jail for their political views?! Or even if during his reign the level of literacy increased, does that justify torture?! 

My suggestion

Each system has pros and cons. No one can ever find the establishement which is intact, and paradise like in mind. Only stinky ruling mullahs in Iran can promise those paradise.

  Each political move has pros and  cons. No one can ever find any political move to be supported by 100% of the people. Some people like Angela Davis have personal issue with authority. They are oppose with any system that is in power. Once Angela Davis told me that she has always been critical of her government. She had been critical of the most advance, powefull and democratic government in the world. What doesn't that tell any unbias observer.? That tell me the problem is not U.S government, it is Angela Davis personal issue. 

If I am not mistaking, the writer of this blog received "FREE FOOD" during his school time because of shah "Free NUTRITION" program in our school system.

It would be very democratic and admirable if the writer addresses Free nutrition program in one of his blog in the similar fashion that he is talking about S.A.V.A.K 

Shah believed NO persian child should go to bed at night hungery, so he mandate free nutrition program in schools.That was positive aspect of Pahlavi's era.

The writer may also choose the topic of Sepah e danish (troops of education) in remote area of the country. That effort dropped the illiteracy rate from 85% back in 50's to 45% by late 70's. That was also another positive aspect of Pahlavi's era.

This is how democratic society operates, not one way track.

The readers shouldn't hold his/her breath to read any positive aspects of Pahlavi's era by this writer. It never happens. Some one may wonder why? the answer is simple because we are dealing with another like Angela Davis.

Sincerely,

Siavash

These lies about SavaK were used by west to bring about 1979

Rostam, Simorgh5555, darius, aria and others just know this as western powers compete with each other as they are now doing and no longer in co-operation with each other, the truth is starting to come out on this subject with great detail regarding what they knew.  So these photoshop lies and political comments are working less with time as Iranians want real proof and now we see that most of the proof actually points the other way.  This argument as used by Arj is essentially propaganda used to make the Shah look like a monster, that was an old USA goal, used to bring groups of people who were infact real monsters and are in power in Iran now.  The blog says more about Arj, jmyt17 and Masoud Kazemzadeh. Khosrow Shakeri.  It takes a lot of below the belt/low lifes to produce the IRI and the USA sadly managed to manufacture them out of Iranians with such ease.  What gives me hope is to see that most of the people commenting on this blog are opposed to the content and disingenuous nature of those reveling in telling lies.  I appreciate those of you that wish to uncover the truth and are a aware of what a devastatng set back it would be to anti-iranian, anti-pahlavi, anti-monarchists, if these were infact proven to be lies to the satisfaction of most iranians albeit many years later.

Re "Mosadegh..."

Anglo; with all due respect, I have no desire to enter in a discussion with you because of your manners (or lackthereof) and disrespectful attitude! I also don't read your posts because I believe they are not meant to pursue a genuine, honest discussion, but rather mere spams to create diversions!

P.S. Whatever it is that you are trying to prove, has nothing to do with the issue here. I reiterate that this blog is about the role of Sabety as a SAVAK official in torture of political prisoners during his stint in the decade 1969-1978! This is, more or less, two decades after Mosadegh was deposed and a decade after he was dead! Back in the days of Mosadegh, most of Sabety's victims, including the former political prisoners in the video clip above, were either not born yet or mere toddlers!   

نقش مصدق در تأسیس ساواک

مناسب دیدم که با توجه به سوابق مصدق الهی بودن نویسنده این بلاگ و  ترس عمیق ایشان از مرور و باز خوانی تاریخ دوره پهلوی و تلاشهای مذبوحانه این جناب در ستیز با شاهان دوره پهلوی یادی از امام مرحول ایشان حضرت مصدق السلطنه و نقش آن حضرت در پایه گذاری و نهادن سنگ زیر بنای "سازمان امنیت اجتماعی" (که بعدا به نام سازمان امنیت و اطلاعات کشور یا ساواک افتتاح شد) کرده باشیم.

پس از وقایع سی‌ تیر سال ۱۳۳۱ که منجر شد که دولت چند روزه قوام السلطنه در مقابل جبهه مشترک مصدق و آیت‌اللّه  کاشانی شکست بخورد  و سقوط کند (یادش به خیر چه روزای خوبی بودن اون روزا: هنوز مصدق سکولار نشده بود و فکر میکرد میتونه سر آخوندو کلاه بگذاره حتی شعبون جعفری هم به نفع آقای مصدق چاقو میزد تو دل‌ و پهلوی طرفدارای قوام ولی‌ اون روزا هنوز بی‌ مخ نشده بود بعده ۲۸ مرداد شد) ... بگذریم کجا بودیم؟ آهان  یادم اومد، بله بعد از ۳۰ تیر که مصدق برگشت مجلس دیگه حالا به یمن اتحاد با کاشانی پر رو شده بود و مطالبه اختیارات بیشتری از مجلس کرد و از آن جمله یک لایحه به مجلس تقدیم کرد که برای اولین بار ‌یک سازمان امنیتی (غیر ارتشی) در ایران ایجاد بشه. هدف مصدق هم سرکوب کردن مخالفانش بود. فراموش نکنید این همون مصدّقی بود که قاتل رزم آرا رو آزاد کرد ( که دل‌ آیت‌الله کاشانی رو بدست بیاره یا اگر بهایی کشی میشد هیچی‌ به روی مبارکش نمی آورد). در ۲۰ آبان ۱۳۳۱ از طریق یکی‌ از وزراش (ناظر زاده وزیر دادگستری) نامه‌ای را که خطاب به‌ مجلس نوشته بود قرائت کرد. این نامه بسیار جالب مقاصد و مواضع سازمان امنیت آینده را از دیدگاه آقای مصدق به خوبی‌ روشن می‌کند. به قسمت هایی که پر رنگ شده نگاه کنید. آقای مصدق می‌‌فرمایند که اگر در راه اجرای اهداف قانون امنیت اجتماعی مأمورین دولت مرتکب کاری خلاف قانون بشوند هیچ مقامی اجازه ندارد مزاحم آنان بشود. یعنی سازمان امنیت اجتماعی آقای مصدق (اگر ایجاد میشد) بالا تر از قانون عمل میکرده.!! در جاری دیگر ایشان فرموده اند که ملایمت در جای خود خوبست ولی وقتی‌ پای "مصالح" مملکت پیش می‌‌آید با شدت عمل میبایست ربرو شد و مجرم را بلافاصله باید به مجازات رسانید یعنی قبل از اینکه فرصت پیدا کند که بوسیله ضامن آزاد شده یا توطئه کند. معنی این حرف است که اگر طرف را قرار شد اعدامش کنند تا قبل از طلوع آفتاب روز بعد جوخه اعدام تکلیفش رو یکسره کند.

خوشبختانه مصدق به علت خرابکاریهای سیاسی و اقتصادی زیادی که بار آورده بود شانس آورد و از اریکه قدرت به خاک افکنده شد و نتوانست نتیجه لایحه تقدیمی خودرا که با مخالفت‌های زیادی روبرو شد ببیند.  این شما و اینهم نامه آقای مصدق که ساواک از آنجا شروع شد:

نایب رئیس - بنده اجازه می‌خواهم که فعلا چون دولت هم لایحه ایی دارد برای تقدیم و آقایان هم خسته شده‌اند این قانون را تا همین جا باقی بگذاریم برای دستور جلسه آینده و اجازه بفرمایند نامه‌ای که آقای نخست وزیر بوسیله جناب آقای وزیر دادگستری فرستاده‌اند خوانده شود . بشرح زیر بوسیله آقای ناظرزاده قرائت شد.

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Re picture/venue

Rostam, you couldn't be more wrong! For the above picture belongs to an actual place called "Komiteh Moshtarak-e Zed-e Kharabkari-e SAVAK va Shahrebani" which is now turned into an exhibit/museom of SAVAk's crimes. If you pay attention to the background, you'll see two caption posts that contain description of the place and info on its history both in Farsi and English. Also, the bed in the picture is an actual bed used by the SAVAK interrogators to torture political prisoners. However, the body depicting a prisoner bound to the bed is not a real person, but a wax figure, for one can not expect the use of an actuall person for obvious reasons!

Moreover, if you spent some time (instead of scrutinizing the texture of the photo) on checking out the link I provided below (and listened to the witness accounts in the link above), you would see that this place's features and structure is consistent with the accounts of the torture victims, e.g. the size and location of the cells, torture chambers, circular shape of the building and even the courtyrad and the water pond around which the prisoners were forced to run for further punishment!

Once again, here is the link to Payvand News' article showing this dreaded place with dummies depicting prisoners, guards and interrogators, and brick plaques in the wall, representing the actual victims of the prison. FYI, people in the pictures who are visiting the place are actual persons: //www.payvand.com/news/12/feb/1092.html 

Re "zero tolerance"

Dear Mehrban; thank you, couldn't agree with you more! Indeed, the porpuse of this blog is to address the culture of violenec in our society whether it's propagated in its religious form or through a secular stand point! The issue here is not to dtermine what regime is better than the other or the lesser of evil, but to rather address the violation of human rights by whatever entity, for whatever purpose and under whatever guise whatsoever!

On the one hand, we have the IRI-supporters who claim that torture and violation of human rights was only practiced by the Pahlavi regime and came to an end at the 1979 revolution with collapse of that regime. On the other hand, Pahlavi supportes try to imply that torture and breach of human rights did not exist under the regime they support, and that it started since the 1979 revolution by inception of the Islamic regime. They're both wrong, for it did not end by the collapse of the Pahlavi regime, and it did not start by the birth of the Islamic regime, and more importantly, it will not end by its demise so long as we are in denial of such violations by one or another group, or try to excuse them for one reason or another! As long as these groups insist on depriving their opponents and/or those who disagree with their political views of their human rights, both groups are, and for the foreseeable futue will reamin an obstacle to any democratic reforms!

IMHO, the only way forward for us as a nation, is to get as many people to realize that in order to achieve a civil society in which fundamental rights of all of us, reagrdless of political, religious, ethnic... differences are safeguarded under the law, is to unequivocally condemn not only all violtions of human rights by whomever and for whatever purpose, but to do away with violence and violent means once and for all. That, of course, depends on the degree of our tolerance for the views of those who are or think differently from us, and our "zero tolerance" resolve for intolerance! Obviously we can not expect all extremists of both sides (whether Moslem fundamentalist or monarchist) to subscribe to such a notion, but as long as an overwhelming majority push these extremes towards the margins of our social discource where they belong, we will be able to find our way!