Arj O mand

A question

Anglophile, as I had predicted, you have managed to derail the discussion here too, and make it about Mossadegh! I can tell you that not all Majles members were members or even supporters of JM, or that in a democratic system coalitions are a common practice, or even say that if Kashani was such an untouchable entity (his connections to the Brits notwithstanding), why did Shah embrace and did his utmost to appease him? But I'm sure you'll come up with some other angle on Mossadegh, for it's going to be an endless, futile debate!

However, on a more related issue, you mentioned that you are a victim of torture. Could you expand on that, as in how and by whom?! And I'm asking this in a sincere manner, for I find it pertinent to the subject of this blog and educational. Thanks

badly written truth is better than sofisticated lies

"all I needed in life was to read your (badly written) two paragraphs about human rights in shah's era, and now I'm totally convinced, he was a decent guy" Zendanian

What I wrote came from heart and honest. What mullah's agent told Maybodi came from his paycheck. It is up to you to accept either badly written truth or sofisticated lies.

From this depraved, lackey of the British to:

 Mr hArj-o-mArj

Just ask yourself who elected Kashani as the speaker of Majles. If you are too lazy to find the answer I will help you: A triumphant Jebhe Melli-filled, Mossadegh supporting Majles as a reward for the Islamist services in removing Mossadegh's number 1 enemy - Razam Ara. 

My good buddy - Mash Ghasem - turned Zendani (LOL)

Real dignified men never complain about, or describe the details of their undergoing, torture. It is part of the battle. If they are too foolish not to know it then they should not have got themselves into it in the first place. I have no time for those with a victim complex. 

Professor Mossadeghzadeh,

Just see my comment in your latest blog about Mossadegh's hand kissing habits. And don't pass other people's hard work, no matter how worthless they may be, as yours.

Nokar Englis is LYING, Again

As usual, Nokar Englis is LYING .

In actual fact, Dr. Mossadegh directly told Akhund Falsafi that for him as Prime Minister, there is no difference between a Bahai and a Muslim. In actual FACT, it was Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi who let loose Falsafi and Ayatollah Behbhani, and Grand Ayatollah Brijerdi on the defenseless Bahais. See:

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/history-lesson-dr-mossadegh-rights-bahais-vs-mohammad-reza-pahlavi-rights-bah

:-)

In actual FACT, after the coup, the Shah personally KISSED Ayatollah Kashani’s hands.

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/history-lesson-shah-kissed-ayatollah-kashanis-hand

Yet more rumors!

Anglo, what you are saying is nothing but rumors with no proof to back them up! I've heard much of what you say from other monarchists who also didn't have anything to back it up with before! Mossadegh never accepted resegregation of schools or banning of alcohol... that were pushed by Kashani and Islamists, hence what you say are mere rumors and hearsay! Moreover, Kashani was the speaker of Majlis and it was his decision to free the person accused of assassinating Razmara (Tahmasebi). Therefore, he didn't need Mosadegh to please him! But then again, you can always come up with more rumors which seem to come from an endless source!

P.S. When you said you were tortured, did you mean as in S&M, or political torture?!!

Even if we belive your claim of being a torture victim

(which we don't) that would make you having 'fun' and making light and poking jokes about Arasi's torture even worse. What kind of a torture victim would be laughing about others being tortured? Depraved Anglo one, depraved.

Siavash: all I needed in life was to read your (badly written) two paragraphs about human rights in shah's era, and now I'm totally convinced, he was a decent guy, and all the bad stuff that happened in his era, was just a bad dream.

Exchanging with some of the avatars in here, increasingly feels like an exchange in a mental asylum, one flew over the cuckoo's nest! 

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P.S. How come none of monarchists in here have the decency to answer the simple question about the name change from Savad Kohi to Pahlavi? Because they know an honest answer to that would show that this so called dynasty even had to steal its name from other people.

Constitutionally the Shah was the defender of (shi'a) faith

Guilable people

"Even here on the internet, they implicitly don't deny torture and execution and always have some 'justification' for it." Zendanian

Do you really buy that video you referred below as a evidence of torture and Maybodi is savak investigator? you don't even know who the caller is. You don't even question such a claim. Maybodi was puzzled when he heard that. Very gentle man. He didn't want to argue with mullah's agents. just let it go.

 Is that all you have to say? So you probably buy that shah and savak burned cinema rex in Abadan.!! and all those mullahs claims that made them to get the power. Really people like you keep these monsters on power without even realize it. Mullahs claim and guilable people like you repeat. Now, read my close observation from prison system during shah days in here:

Human rights during shah days

Unlike you Ghasem jan. I have been tortured

These monarchists are just as bad as those

Stalinists. All they are waiting for is another shot at the power (fat chance) to show their real face. Could anyone imagine after spending decades in the West, they still don't have a clue as to what Tolerance and Plurality means. Even here on the internet, they implicitly don't deny torture and execution and always have some 'justification' for it.

Anglo one: you were explicitly making 'fun' of Mohamad Arasi's experience of being tortured, saying that he hadn't had enough, and ought to be tortured even more. What part of such a deranged discourse is not depraved. Just how degenerate could a 'political tradition' get when its spokesperson in here not only doesn't condemn torture, but treats it as fun and games.

How would you feel if some one slaps you hard in the face. Make that times a hundred, that's how one feels when she/he is tortured. If that was done to you, would you be making fun of it? What would you be calling the people making light of it?

Depraved Anglo one, depraved.

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Impedements

Indeed, one of the biggest impediments on our people's path to democracy and civil society, right after IRI, are monarchists and supporters of Pahlavis. For, instead of inspiring our people about political freedom and democracy, they have dedicated their time and efforts to casting doubts on such values, conjuring up alternatives such as economic prosperity and security (as if they're mutually exclusive) for democracy, villifying their political opposition, justifying torture and execution of political prisoners as a "necessity!"

In other words, what they're trying to shove down our throats is: "Be happy with what you had under Shah, because we don't deserve any better,  don't believe in democracy for it's overrated and unattainable..., look at IRI!" Meaning that, just because IRI is one of the biggest srew-ups in the history of the world, and despite all the oil revenue, we should not even expect as much as the poorer nations like Turkey and India have, which is freedom of political activities, parties, press, elections...!

قاسم دست بردار تورو حضرت عباسی

Even the very name Pahlavi has been stolen from another family

 Here the long and the short of the story in one paragraph:

"Pahlavis" history is nothing but history of theft, crime and murder. A mere Ghazagh with the name of Savad Kohi, with nothing but the clothes on his back, gets to power through a British plot. By the time he's done, he is a "Pahlavi" (having stolen the name from another  Iranian family) and "owns" half of the country!He  starts a "dynasty" of thieves and murderers, to carry on his legacy. To this  very day monarchists despise and distrust Iranian people. And for thier part Iranian people have the excat same attitude towards monarchists: we despise and distrust you.

What part of this equation you can't undedrstand.

Anglo one: what part of making fun of people being tortured, is not depraved? If the shoe fits, wear it.

Siavash, you're as brainwashed as a puny Hezbollah, or a Stalinist could be brain washed. Although you've been living in the West for some decades now, you still don't understand the meaning (actually it looks like you even don't have a clue)  of Pluralism, or Tolerance or anythign that would disturbe your little fanatsy island.

FYI, we're in constant contact with many institutions, activists and circles in Iran. That comes with the responsibility to aid and assist Iranian Political Prisoners and Iranian Refugees.

Something monarchists have never done (despite the hoards of money they stole from Iran), and that's yet another evidence why when we talk about Iranian monarchists we're talking about a most corrupt, degenrate, unreformable entity. Cheers 

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Re using religion as a tool

Anglo, I'm not going to challenge you on your opinions below, for they're shaped by your mind-frame as in actually believing that democracy and human rights are open to "interpretations!" Indeed, that on its own, speaks volumes about torture and politcal imprisonments which are the purpose of this blog!

However, speaking of using religion for public deception, what I find ironic is that Mossadegh never went to Haj or claimed to be in touch with and receiving advice from various emams. Whereas, Shah had the audacity to do so and put his pictures, clad in Haji attire while praying, at Mecca in his book, and on various occasions, mention that he was protected by Abolfazl and Hazrat Abbas, received advice from Emam Reza and Emam Zaman, and frequently visited Mashad...!

F.Y.I monarchist has death penalty in Iran

"Take a look at IC's own Prisoners of the Day column in here. From a hundred political prisoners in Iran hardly one or two are monarchists. Why?" Zendanian

You are way off track my friend. The reason is because you have been away from Iran for many years and you don't know exactly what is going on inside Iran.

The official newspaper wrote that they arrested 2 persons in Green movement who claimed to be patriatic and monarchist. They showed it on state control T.V as well. In the same court, there was a french lady reporter who was arrested for reporting about Green movement. French government made a deal with Islamic thugs to release the french reporter in exchange for murder of Shahpoor Bakhtiar who was in jail in france. The deal was sealed and murder of Bakhtiar arrieved in the airport where the deputy of foreign minster of Islamic government welcomed his with flower in the Tehran airport.  Islamic thugs executed both of  pro shah protestors right away. Zero tolerance for monarchist.  This has been well published and you may ask anyone who is close to Iran more than you are, he/she will explain it for you. The penalty for monarchist in Iran is "DEATH". Do you really think 3 million people were on street of Tehran protesting for the clawns such as Mosavi and other Mullah Karoubi take power? What a simple way of thinking!!

The monarchists or rather patiatic people consider as "Mohareb ba Khoda" means "in war with God". Anyone can claim that he/she is Green and get away from death penalty, but no one can claim monarchist and get away from death penalty. I don't blame them to say they are Green, so they can get away from death.  That is common knowledge and any one who lives in Iran know about it. Because you are not living in Iran, so you don't know about it.

History shows Mani, Mazdak, and other noises, had never been on power in Iran till 1979.  They made some noises throughout history giving promises of equality and free gas and free electricity as we were witnessing in cemetary of beheshteh zahra (1979), but they have never been on power. Those noises who were variation of Mani, Mazdak  finally took power in Iran in 1979. Needless to say what happened when those noises were in charge.

 Our histoy is intimated with Padeshahi. 

  As an Iranian, when you walk on foreign land, you carry over 5000 years history of monarchy (padeheshahi)  on your shoulder, either you like it or dislike it. That gives you strength to call yourself with pride I am PERSIAN.  

Payandeh our Aryan Land IRAN

مش قاسم جون این توئی شدی "زندانیان"

بابا خجالت نکش بگو که خودتی ولی‌ انگلیسیت خراب تر از قبل شده.

Common denominators of Mossadegholahis and Hezbollahis

• Historical partnership 
• Hatred for the Pahlavis
• Using religion as a tool for public's deception
• interpreting democracy, secularity and human rights by their own standard.

When we say you're all a bunch of lobotomized "has-beens" it's

very easy to see why:

Dear Shemirani, non sense is all yours and your ilke (as usual), and how is it that you monarchists always forget to mention the fact that shah had closed all doors to reform, had left no room in the country for political protest, had turned the country into a single-party state/prison. For all those who have an eye to see, shah was the worst thing that happened to shah. HE WAS HIS OWN WORST ENEMY.

Another reason why you're bunch is totally bainswashed and ignorant of our own history is the fact that you people never mention any of all these anti-monarchy tradition that we have in Iranian history, Mani, Mazdak, Babyian, the Constitutional Revolution,......

Last but not least, the ultimate reason that monarchy  belongs to historical museums in Iran, is the fact that you practically have no one fighting for you inside Iran (other than a handfull geryatrics and their relatives) you have no credible base of support insisde Iran. Take a look at IC's own Prisoners of the Day column in here. From a hundred political prisoners in Iran hardly one or two are monarchists. Why? Because they simply don't exist in Iran, or are so few that's not even worth mentioning. Overwhelmin majority of monarchists live outside of Iran (mainly US), all these years they have done not a single thing for Iranian Refugges or political prisoners,  and still despise and distrust Iranian people. Of course such sentiments are very mutual.

Anglo one: You have already showed you true color by making jokes about poor souls getting tortured by SAVAK, the fact whether you have had worked for them or not is irrelevant, your moral depravity speaks volumes.

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Common denominators of Shahollahis and Hezbollahis

Dear Zendanian, monarchists' problem does not lie in their being geriatric, for there are many septuagenarian and octagenarian pro-democracy activists who share our people's democratic aspirations and unequivocally speak against torture and other forms of violation of HR!

What makes monarchists an irrelavant and defunct force in Iranian social scene, ironically is their common characteristics with supporters of IRI, e.g. their attempts to discredit and trivialize the notion of democracy and human rights as mere tools used by their enemies, their disregard for public opinion and popular vote, their justification of political imprisonments as "security issues" and their latent support for torture and murder of political prisoners while categorically denying it...!

That indeed is why both Shahollahis and  Hezbollahis, while dissmissing each other as illegitimate, desperately try to divert the public attention to their main difference, which is religiousity as opposed to secularity, and away from their similarities which is their embrace of violence as "necessary evil" and enmity towards democratic values and civil liberties!

P.S. Monarchists' lack of popular support is not limited to the last 33 years, but rather 50-60 years! 

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Siavash; congrats, you have managed to ask questions and answer them by yourself!

Evidently you are not as sharp as I was giving you credit for!  My last comment was in response to your condescending question below:  "For example what I was doing with you during last 6 months in dealing with several issues is one of those ways. Did I torture you? Of course NOT." 

Hence my answer to that question: "Well, I can't say it hasn't been torture!"

The rest of your post is rdundant! 

Non SENSE

Zendanian,

what kind of logical is yours "Monarchist belong to historical museums.........a bunch of "has-beens" ???!!!!!

Doesn't make any sense to labelize other people like that, just because you think being a Republican is not beeing "Has been" and it's been modern !!! what a childish analyse !!!!

Who said  iranians should move on with their historical Monarchist system ? Just because 33 years ago Crazy revolutionnaries Proclaimed  a Republic (A VERY BLOODY REPUBLIC), so now we should forget about 2500 years of our history ?!!Just like that !!!

and who decided being a republican is beeing modern and progressist and being monarchist its being backward???!! YOU ? ya EMAM ?

I lived all my life in a great republican country (and voted for Presidents) but I don't buy this Iranian's BANANA republic !!! and For Iran i think Monarchy can absolutly be a great option !

I will read your comment to some British and Spanish (...) friends and let's see who is the narrow-minded "has-been" ?!!!!! you can be a republican but you can't be a real democrate by writing this lines !

Zendanian jan watch out!

Monarchist belong to historical museums = a historical fact.

The  undeniable fact that monarchists are nothing but a bunch of "has-beens" (has been that got most of their ill gotten wealth from theft and killing of Iranian people), with close to zero support inside the country has been a well established fact for the past 33 years. The only place left for them to "feel their presence" is on sites of this type, other than "virtual space," they have no place in our social space. 

The fact that we still have SAVAKi agents amongst them is also a well known fact, take a look at the clip below and you'll see what I mean.

میبدی بازجوی ساواک

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vPrPd4XhyY&feature=related

Wonder how many SAVAKis we have commenting on this very blog?

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P.S. As far as history of Iran, and a proper understanding of it, suffice it to say that monarchists due to their ideological stupidity, have the most obtuse childish "understanding " of Iranian history. Whereas our history is rich with people's struggle for equality and freedom from times of Mani and Mazdak, and many instances before and after that, for our most obtuse monarchists, there's hardly ever a single mention of that. What they forget to recall in their obtuse mind is that monarchy in Iran has always had its own opposition in various forms and shapes, but alas it would take a sober mind to realize that,  and not a lobotomized one , full of fear and hatred towards Iranian people.

One more miscommunication with Arj

Question : "So what is these none sense about Nasiri or Sabety?" Siavash

Answer  : "Well, I can't say it hasn't been torture!" Arj

Dear friend,  

That was HYPOTHETICAL question, not a real question. To used an imaginary scenario as an example.

I was making comment rather than asking question, but you took it in a face value.

Ass-u-mption of monarchists being geriatrics

Some people have such an assumption that whoever respect Iran's history which is a history of monarchy (padeshahi),  they must be old and living in convalescent hospital. Preserving Iran history and culture is the duty of all patriatic Iranians regardless of their ages. Freedom is universal value. 

Monarchists on tis site are torturers & interrogators in waiting

Nothing but a bunch of good for nothing geriatrics still wishing they could torture, restore their single-party Rastakhiz and worse.

You people make me sick.  

Keep on dreaming about your "golden age!"

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Re the question!

Well, I can't say it hasn't been torture!

Arj's misreading comment

"amazingly,  by your fascistic statement below, your are acknowledging the Shahollahi support for torture:" Arj 

"how exactly are you planning to do that outside forcible confinement and torture chambers? "Arj

Dear Arj,

I am start getting worry about your reading and capability of comprehending text materials.

   HOW planning to inform people outside forcible confinement?

 it is very simple my dear. This fact can be done by writing blog and publishing publications to inform people about their mindset. Inform those people who they are wrongly thinking religion is democratic. Inform them that they are on wrong path. This task can be done in many ways. For example what I was doing with you during last 6 months in dealing with several issues is one of those ways. 

 Did I torture you? Of course NOT.

So what is these none sense about Nasiri or Sabety?

" freedom of belief and religion is one of the very basic rights of any human being" Arj

where did I deny freedom of belief and religion? Seems again we are not communicating.

You have an extended family which mainly consist of people ages from 17 to 28 according to your previous statement. This is a good time to talk to them about previous regime and all those previliges that you were receiving during shah's days. Explain it to the younger generation.  For example, you can talk and INFORM your family members that kids were receiving free nutrition in schools. DON'T TORTURE THEM. just inform them LOL. Lecture them the same as you are doing here about shah days prison system. There are thousands and thousands institutitutes beside prison system you can discuss.  Informing doesn't mean torturing. Got it?  

Re "Arj's irrational..."

Siavash; amazingly,  by your fascistic statement below, your are acknowledging the Shahollahi support for torture:  "It is your duty to inform those activists that religion is a set of rigid law which is mandated by superpower and has no notion of democarcy or flexbility. it is rather dictatorial. Those activists are way off track. They have no clue of what is going on. Their physical discomfort doesn't justify their ignorancy."

And how exactly are you planning to do that outside forcible confinement and torture chambers? This is exactly what Hezbollahis are doing, but in reverse order! Just like Shahollahis, Hezbollahis too want to get into people's minds and force their "righteous" ideology on them!

But, guess waht? They're not succeeding, just as you won't, and your predecessors such as Sabety and Nasiri didn't! For, freedom of belief and religion is one of the very basic rights of any human being! Reza Shah and Shah's attempts at forcing people to conform to their dictated views failed, just as IRI's attempts in that regard are not only doomed to fail, but creating a blow back effect towards the other extreme!

Arj's irrational thinking

"I don't see a need to advertize Pahlavis' positive aspects, for I believe there is enough of it being done here and elsewhere" Arj

In fact, advertize Pahlavis's positive aspects were not done enough because mullahs are still on power. Now, let's talk about you before we go further. Have you ever advertized positive aspect of Pahlavi's dynasty? I am sure you haven't so far.

First principal of democracy is to show to your readers the positive and negative aspect of one system and let the reader judge for themselves. Whatever conclusion they might have is their choice. From one hand you condemn dictatorial of one way thinking or imposing one idea to the others and from the other hand, you get engage to the same loop yourself. I think if you start  doing that you will be a role model of democratic system for others to see. So lets start doing that before to be critical of others.

"many activists who consider themselves devout Moslims and yet are enduring barbaric torture in the IRI prisons in defence of democracy."Arj

It is your duty to inform those activists that religion is a set of rigid law which is mandated by superpower and has no notion of democarcy or flexbility. it is rather dictatorial. Those activists are way off track. They have no clue of what is going on. Their physical discomfort doesn't justify their ignorancy.  

"religious figures who are revered as democratic icons, e.g. Martin Luther King whose birthday is considered a national holiday in the U.S.!" Arj

First of all M.L.K was not religious leader. He was a politicians who devoted his time for social justice and equality between people of color and white European counter-part during civil right movements back in 60's. White European decendants still don't consider his birthday as a national holiday. I have seen many placards in southern states were saying NO king over us. The conflict is still going on. it has been rooted on history of slaverly and it is a big discussion about that which divert our attention from the notion of democracy that we are talking about it here.  

".. Monarchists have shown no such tolerance or any interest in democracy, period" Arj

That is your persoanl experience. I compeletely disagree with that conclusion. You have a tendency to get on people's nerve that you consider as a authority figure. It is good to use a litte common sense sometimes, so you won't get bashed with UN-democratic response. You know many people who comes on this site are lost their wealth, their love ones and their country due to the bunch of the criminal Islamic rag heads brutality. Those monsters are still on power and all the sudden you start talking negatively about their past life during shah days which was days of their pride and dignity. That is very normal reaction to start cursing you. What do you expect. Send you a followers? Shah is dead over 30 years ago and now stinky mullahs are on power. Those are these people's problem now, not something happened 40 years ago. you have to spend time to reveal the crime that was committed by those Islamic thugs Instead you devote your time to something that you are not even sure about their accuracy and you expect people not to get defensive. Do you see what kind of irrational thinking it is. ? That is common sense. it has nothing to do with democracy.