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Regarding Agha Mohammad

That was the mistake Karim Khan made. He should have either left him alone or gone all the way. Neutering just pissed him off and put him in a bad mood. I mean who wouldn't be in a bad mood after that?

The rules are simple in war. Don't mess with the other side but if you did go all the way. I read something amounting to it in Toufigh over 40 years ago. What a pearl of wisdom it was.

Iran 2050

About Karim Khan, he didn't call himself a king and didn't want to expand his power just because he had no orze( as we say in Iran). And he wasn't as kind and innocent as you think. He was the one who ordered to neuter Agha Mohammad Khane Ghajar. 

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AO & VPK

Happy CTG(bbhs) to you & all Kiaan loving good folks . As noted deservingly , it is Cyrus(bbhs) day every day since without him there would be no Iranian statehood to begin with. Ironicaly, the kiaani term "Iran" is being hijacked by the same khasso khashak omaru fakes who claime it never existed :). & am i surprised this wasn't featured in omar-abad? ...

Cheers & best wishes gentlemen !!!

VPK,   You are truly

VPK,

You are truly one of a kind! You’re the one who has a radar installed to catch any of my comments and then reply to them, many times accompanied with insults, and you’re telling me to mind my own business! Wow!

Also, you’re the one who preaches like you know what’s right and wrong, and you’re telling me not to tell others what to do! And the fact is I’m not even telling anyone what to do! I’m merely expressing my opinion!

To make it easier for you…these scare tactics don’t work with me. I know the games you guys play. As I’ve told you before, you choose: if you want to use insults be ready for payback, if you want to have a civilized conversation, I always enjoy those as well. But if you think using insults and scare tactics works with me, you’re wrong!

You still haven’t answered any of the questions I’ve asked regarding Koroush..I’m asking you to use your own brain, and not let others tell you what’s right or wrong. And the fact is, most if not all ultra nationalists, like yourself, who believe in some of these ancient Iranian fairytales, know deep inside that something just doesn’t add up to this whole picture. I know for a fact that deep inside you guys know these are probably not true, however, you have indoctrinated to think that questioning any part of Iran’s history is an unforgivable sin and a heinous crime. You don’t have to tell me no. just think about this. You know that something just doesn’t add up but you chose not to question it. It’s like programming people. That’s how Iranians are. For 2500 years, they have been indoctrinated by kings and the “shah” vs “everyone else” system NOT to question anything. It’s just how we are brought up in society.

My advice to you and all others who think questioning Koroush is an insult, is to liberate themselves, liberate themselves from LIES and from INDOCTRINATION and start questioning the things that has held us back. Break down that wall and liberate yourself. Start with asking this: to what extend does nationalism should go? Is it morally OK to belittle other nations and people? Why isn’t it OK to question Iran’s history? Are we obligated to keep all traditions, good and bad, passed from our ancestors? What is a good tradition and what is bad? Ask the questions that the people of successfull nations have been asking.

Liberate yourself, and in the process, liberate and build the future of your country.

Funny

2050 is telling the world not to celebrate Koroush and I am intolerant? What else do you do 2050 tell kids not to do Christmas? Are you one of those who sues cities for putting up a Christmas tree. 

Is America not allowed to have Presidents day because you disapprove? How about Ashura. Why don't you tell the Shia not to do that. Boy you sure know how to lecture people on what they should do. Who appointed you King.

Intolerance is telling other people what to do. Which is what you are doing. It is none of your business what I want to celebrate. This is my last post to you. Go mind your own business and do not stick your nose in mine.

VPK, are you being intolerant again?

VPK,
What are they praising him about? That’s the question you need to ask yourself. As I told you, put the pros and cons together; talking about the pros only and leaving the cons out is kinda…..”illogical” if you may, don’t you think?
Also, here you go again with the intolerance. Explain to me how does making such a compelling argument I made in my previous posting equals “hating Iran”???
Saying Koroush equals Iran is an outrageous claim. Simply outrageous. That being said, I don’t “hate” Koroush, but at the same time, judging by 21st century criteria and not ancient like you do, I think most kings ruled for one and one reason only : POWER, therefore, most if not all of them do not deserve to have a “global day”.
Unlike you my friend, I have liberated myself from ancient traits and traditions that have held us back as a nation for 2500 years, and it feels great! It feels great to say, I dislike kings because they represent tyranny. You think living in history and holding on to traditions that have destroyed Iran, and thinking about yourself as a ”patriot” by doing so, is your choice! Knock yourself out.
We, as a nation, need to be liberated from within from the love of outdated nonsense before we can get rid of Akhoond regime or any other tyrannical regime. Always remember that.
Living in the past equals backwardness. Not modernizing how you think and behave equals backwardness. Those are just facts.

2050

We got people from right to left praising Kourosh e Borozg. Christian; Jews and secular. Greek and Iranian all except you. Fine I will go along with the rest. I don't care if you disappprovae. We do have a Cyrys the Great day.

If you don't like it then go and complain to the world. It will not get you far. I don't want to piss on our historical greats. You really seem to hate Iran and anything that we have. It is your right but don't tell me what to do.

To all people of the world "Happy Cyrus Day". Good for the world we had a man who recognized Human Rights fro the first time. I chose to celebrate the history of this Great Man.

VPK, As I’ve told you

VPK,
As I’ve told you before, living in history is one of the biggest hurdles in the road of building a future democratic and modern Iran. Living in history is a recipe of disaster. It will keep the national psyche of a nation backward, it will impede progress, it stands against every rule of progress and modernization.
You can’t have an ancient mentality and try to be modern and build a modern country, many Iranians, unfortunately, have that ancient mentality, and that’s one of the root causes of why Iranians can’t get it right.
You can’t have a “global day” in the year 2011 by judging someone using 2500 years old criteria. That’s just doesn’t sit well with logic. If there was a Koroush day in Iran 2500 years ago because he was allegedly that “liberator” who wants well for mankind!!! , there will be no surprise. In fact, they had days to commemorate kings in ancient Iran. Yes, I don’t want to teach you history 101 either. But if anything, that illustrates how tyrannical the system of our society has been from day one, a system that you are so fund of. If you put all the pros and cons together, does he really deserve a global day??? The answer is simply NO! There have been numerous other rulers in all parts of the world that will deserve that too, or , deserve more than he does; and again, that’s if you judge them using ancient times criteria!
Was Koroush the most bloodthirsty king ever? No. Did he come up with some sort of a declaration as a political maneuver to keep his vast kingdom together by giving SOME rights to the people? Yes. At the same time, he was a conqueror, and a murderer and a tyrant. Can you tell me why did he attack and invade Babylon? An Arab civilization that far preceded the Iranian one. Why? Why did he attack and invade Lydia? No other reason than thirst for POWER. He is no different than most other human beings. He was a king and that’s what kings do. Did innocent Iranians and other nationalities die while he was engaging in those conquests? Absolutely. So, you still think he deserves a “global day”?
That’s not knocking on Koroush only, that’s knocking on ANY King from ANY nation that did the things Koroush and others did. You can be proud of Koroush’s conquests and invasion of other nations, but why should others be proud? The fact that Xenophon wrote some good things about Koroush is no different than many other historians who praised, and still happens, kings. Koroush build a vast empire, and that’s impressive, and he didn’t engage in mass murder like some other kings did, and that’s admirable, but again, he was a conqueror and an invader and a murderer and a tyrant, thus, he does not deserve a global day! If anything, he is the one who ingrained this tyrannical culture in our society.
And what is this BS about just laws! Come one, the first “just law” that Koroush broke is respecting the lives, independence, territorial integrity, right of self determination and justice for the people of every land he invaded
!!! How did he justify that I wonder in his so called “human rights declaration”? I guess like some Iranians think today, we are the only true humans and the “superior race”, so I guess those “rights” apply to us only!
I mean are you kidding me here???????

Let me just break it down to you:
This whole “Koroush” worship/bastani culture/anti Arab and anti Islam sentiment started during the Pahlavi period for one and one reason only: to legitimize their rule. Reza Shah had to come up with a “ideological movement/frame” if you will, to build his legitimacy since there was to be a transfer of power from one dynasty that ruled Iran for such a long time to a “soldier”. He had to legitimize it somehow, so he, and his propaganda machine influenced by Nazi Germany, invented this whole “Baastani” culture to legitnize himself. That’s all there is to it my friend. Many of things the propaganda machine said and wrote and perpetuated was nothing but fantasy. What is also did, is it alienated a large portion of Iranians. It created animosity among minorities, it created a culture of extremism since what he was perpetuating was “extreme baastani propaganda”. And as we know, extremism only creates extremism in response. And that’s exactly what Khomeini did. Khomeini created his own brand of extremism in response to the Pahlavi one; everything the Pahlavis stood for, he stood against! Do you really think U.S, and as much I disagree passionately with its foreign policy, deserve this animosity from the IRI regime? NO!!!! It does not, but IRI is an extremist, and so was Pahlavi. And whose getting crushed in between? Iran and its name and its reputation and its future.
Don’t be proud of Koroush, don’t be proud of Hussein, these people did NOTHING for Iran. Be proud of Amir Kabeer, be proud of Karim Khan, be proud of Khajeh Nezam ol Molk. If you want to honor people who actually did something for Iran, honor them.

Today is 4 Aban

Today is 4 Aban in Iran... just saying.

I am against a day to praise someone such as Cyrus the Great or mother's or father's Day.  These people must be respected and praised every day.... just saying.

Thank you for the reminder

Indded, happy Curus Day!

Thank You !!

CYRUS: certainly deserves to be celebrated by all Iranians, of all persuasions. 

Thomas Jefferson: has 2 Books on Cyrus in his library in Monticello. He was studied with great respect, as a Ruler.

Bible and 2nd Temple in Jerusalem:  Cyrus's inprecedented liberating edict - where he liberated minorities of other religions from slavery, had him spoken very highly of in the Old Testament. This was an unprecedented event in human history - to NOT INFLICT YOUR OWN RELIGION - on lands that you occupied. (Why often Jewish people are to this day, called "Cyrus") Cyrus not only freed the Jews from Babylonian captivity - but rebuilt the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem. The wailing wall you see today, is a remnant of an extension what Cyrus Built. How many of us know that? (the Romans had extended it - but it was Cyrus who rebuilt the 2nd Temple.) That our King re-built the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem? 

An astonishing historical character who should make all Iranians, of all persuasions proud. Thank you for the reminder of this day!

Karim Khan

Just to let you know I spent hours telling my kids about Karim Khan. Much more than Koroush the Great. In fact my kids know what Karim Khan looks like. They know how he acted. His refusal to be King.

His generosity and kindness to his enemies. How his oppenent threw himself at Karim Khan's mercy and was made an adviser. There is room enough for all the greats. Both men were great and respect is not a zero sum game.

2050

I am not going to teach you all of history 101. But will give an introduction. The Hakhamanashis were the to pull Iran together as a state. Unless you want to go to mythical Pishdadian.

When a man is written about by his enemies as "Great" you know that he is great. He freed people who were slaves wherever he went. This is not history written by him. It is written by his opponents the Greeks. Why should Xenophon lie or make things up. He was not working for Cyrus was he? 

how does conquering other countries result in end of tyranny? 

Very simple. You kick out the tyrant and give people just laws. Give them rights that they were not allowed before. How did conquering Germany help the Jews in the death camps? By freeing them and closing the death camps: duh! 

Did removing Saddam free the Kurds: you bet. Go ask any Iraqi Kurd if they are better off now. Did removing Pol Pot free the Cambodians: YES. It took Vietnam to invade Cambodia but the result was an end to killing fields. 

Regarding Karim Khan I think of him as a hero. I have told my kids he was one of the best leaders Iran had. Should there be a Karim Khan day: yes! But the difference is he is not as well known. Therefore it will likely be a observed only in Iran. 

VPK, What do you mean by

VPK,
What do you mean by “made Iran”??? Even if he did “make Iran”, why does he deserve a “global day”? So anyone who “made” a country deserves a global day?
Also, what’s undemocratic about me expressing my opinion? You’re the one who flips every time I open my mouth. You’re the one who used insults in the past against me. Isn’t it a little hypocritical that you preach democracy to others but don’t practice it yourself?
Explain this very simple contradiction: how does conquering other countries result in end of tyranny? Do you even understanding how contradicting that is? He freed the Jews? So what? What about the Babylonians who went under his tyranny? You not gonna tell me he was a “liberator” are you? So the Babylonians” among others, who were conquered by Koroush, received the Iranian army with flowers in the streets of Babylon? Ok W!
Again..Going back to the question I asked..why is there a day in his name but not in Karim Khan? Let’s compare the two. Or is it because Karim Khan “was from post Islamic period” which many Iranians want to wipe that portion off our history, or because he has an “Arabic” name? Karim doesn’t sound too Iranian like “KOUROUSH Bozorg” does it? Is that it?
That whole myth about the “pre Islamic Iran” was the best thing that ever happened to humanity? Right VPK?

There you go

Koroush Bozorh aka Cyrus the Great made Iran. That is why there is a day for him. If 2050 does not like him fine then don't. The vast majority of Iranian people honor him. It is called "democracy".

It is funny how people scream "want democracy". But when it produces something they don't like they get mad. I am proud to have a man like Kourosh e Bozorg in my history. A man whose accomplishments are even noted in the Bible. No I am not religious. A man whose conquests meant freedom for slaves and end to tyranny. He wrote the first declaration of human rights. And 2050 has the nerve to trash him. A man held in reverence by both Iranian and non Iranians.

Here is what a Greek Xenophon says about him:

And those who were subject to him, he treated with esteem and regard, as if they were his own children, while his subjects themselves respected Cyrus as their 'Father' ... What other man but 'Cyrus', after having overturned an empire, ever died with the title of 'The Father' from the people whom he had brought under his power? For it is plain fact that this is a name for one that bestows, rather than for one that takes away!"

Why is there a day for

Why is there a day for him?
As an Iranian, I don’t want him to be the face of my country. Why is there a day in his name but not in Karim Khan Zand’s name? Karim khan never even called himself a “Shah”, he was never a tyrant, he did not sacrifice Iranian people’s lives for power, he did not occupy other countries..Koroush did all that…so why is there a day in his name and not in Karim Khan’s name?

Is it because Iranians approve of occupation and murder as long as an Iranian does it? Is it because we’re hypocritical and have lust for imperialism?

Happy Cyrus day

to all the Iranians.