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Azadeh, democracy and shahanshahi

"in a day and age when people around the world are fighting for democracy and personal freedoms, a poem that longs for despotism of the Persian royalties is nothing but a stupid poem" Azadeh

U.K, the most democratic country on the face of earth rans by Royal family. Individual right and freedom quiet respected in U.K. In the mean time, they are proud of their monarchy history.

Hollywood glorifys Roman Empire, why not Iranians glorifying their history which defeated Roman Empire.

For "Fish Here"

I did not intend to insult the poet. By “stupid poem” I meant that in a day and age when people around the world are fighting for democracy and personal freedoms, a poem that longs for despotism of the Persian royalties is nothing but a stupid poem. By “ignorant poet” I meant that the author of the poem is confusing wonderful Persian culture and traditions such as Nowruz, Mehregan and Sadeh festivals or Espandarmaz Day, with the rule of royal despots who oppressed people, conquered lands and raped women. 

 I hope Ms. Hedayati pays attention to the meaning of these words and is not offended by them. Spending time outside of one’s own circle and speaking to people who think differently is always beneficial.

Cheers,

Azadeh

An 'official' statement from MG "School of Internet Diplomacy"

Submissions maybe called 'grossly obtuse' or belonging to 'the Obtusian School of Thought!" but not stupid!

Also, the term 'incredibly uninformed' shall be utilized instead of ignorant.

Fishy jan, is that better?

So far the best rebuttals have been :

Read Babak K's....

...If you don't mind some tiny typos.

نازنین = مردها؟

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Dear JJ

Please confirm that it is O.K. for Azadeh Azad to call this poem "studpid" and this poet "ignorant."  If so, then would it be O.K. for the rest of us to call other people's poems "stupid" and their poets "ignorant", too, based on our own personal conclusion?  For example, can Azadeh Azad's submissions be called "stupid" and herself "ignorant", too, when so determined by any of us?

I am Aryaee I like to

I am Aryaee

I like to fabricate and lie;

I have no shame repeating

                         what a PhD student wrote in his or her dessertation

                            about my past.

                    I celebrate what Shapour did to Arabs,

                    and nothing bothers me about the killing of

Mirzadeh Eshgi;

                    because the killer made few bridges and streets

                                        which were named after him.

For me always there exists such a thing as

                                                                       a good dictator

as long as, I could drink aragh and have some must-khiar on side.

I get bored with words like freedom, and human dignity, for me only money matters nothing else.

If am a scalor, a mulla, a doctor, a father or a mother,

still only money matters to me nothing else.

If I am a scular, a mulla, an officer in Shah army or Khomeini's lashkar, but sharaf and vojdan mean nothing to me

I am a racist, so that I can not even like myself;

                  I always want to look like somebody else;

                            pereferably like a white person;

                        to acheive this I dye my hair blonde;

                           but I forget to dye my pubic hair;

                           Yet, I am not satisfied with myself;

                         unless I do a nose job on my Aryan nose.

                                             by a great persian surgen .

I am a persian doctor whose cost of education was by Yadolla in Sirjan, and Rostam in Maragheh, and Raheem in Abadan,

yet I think I am better than Yadolla, Rostam and Raheem.

I am an Aryaee doctor, last night I slept with a mother

whose son was very seek and needed surgery,

but his mother had no money but nice butt.

I am an Aryaee, I receive Arzeh-Tahssille, and joind

Anjoman Eslami, but now I even drink, and

my wife get upset when somebody

brings up the rape and torture in Ewin.

I am an Aryaee.

There, I changed my avatar,,,

,,, now see if you can change your attitude.  I seriously doubt it.  I suggest, if you'd like, send your article to loghatnameh dehkhoda.  Maybe they'll listen to you, but I seriously doubt it, because they are a "bunch of sexists".

In regards to the example provided, "If you are Mard, if you are not Zan, come to us, show your faces.", where does in that sentence the word "naamard" is used!  I don't see it.  The argument is over the meaning of the word "naamard".

Roozbeh_Gilani

Old women do not get upset with silly children. 

Cheers,

Azadeh

For Fake Dehkhoda and P_J

Fake Dehkhoda:

Repeating the same false statement does make it true. I'm going to write an article in the hope of making the likes of you finally understand that a word takes its meaning from people of a specific culture who use it and not from a dictionary written by a buch of sexist men who have no idea what sexist words are.  Just read my example of the Shah's military men  (below) to undertand what social context means.  I am sure you have no answer for that. The fact is that you know nothing about linguistics, and usurping the picture of Dehkhoda does not change that.

P_J:

Tourandoukht and Azarmidoukht became ruling Queens for 7-9 months each, in the middle of a chaotic imperial court situation. It has absolutely nothing to so with the Iranian women's situation of that period. It is the social situation of the majority of women of a country that determines the status of women in that country. Under the Sassanid rules, the majority of women and men were serfs and salves, and each woman was inferior to her father, brother and husband.I'd like to suggest to you to gradually read my 13 articles on the Origin and Nature of Patriarchy. You will find out how men came to be the oppressive and sexist gender for the last 4 to 5000 years.These articles are simply a sketch; I'll add more material to them when I get more time.

//iranian.com/main/blog/azadeh-azad/origin-and-nature-patriarchy-1

Also the difference between men and women is not women's beauty, but the fact that while men kill during wars that they create, women have the power to give life with their egg, uterus, 9 months of carrying labour (and giving of their insides to the foetus), childbirth labour, and breastfeeding the child.

Cheers,

Azadeh

من دیگه هیچوقت از لغت "ناجوانمرد" استفاده نخواهم کرد

چون که نمی‌خوام خانم‌های مسن از دست من ناراحت بشن

Azadeh, AGREED to a large extent!

Don’t forget that the ENTIRE world was once male oriented and misogynistic and they practiced that for eons!!!   Even people were addressed as men, like “Mardom” in persian.

According to our great poet Firdausi, Iranians, once in the distant past, had female generals like Gordafareed....this would have been tremendous, even if mythological, happening thousands of years ago.

We certainly had Tourandoukht and Azarmidoukht as our leaders, for which Puccini’s opera Turandot is based on, but past is past and we should move on and come to peace with the 21st century way of thinking and realize that the only MAJOR difference between man and woman is that women are much prettier, everything else is same!!

This ALL may have happened due to the lack of opportunity for women, caused by and as a result of pregnancy and child birth!     Now, 60% of college grads in Iran are female, and in the US more and more women are appointed to the CEO positions of the fortune 400 companies and doing a great job.

I also could not AGREE with you more on the ARYAN CRAP!     

"naamard" does NOT mean "zan"

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We had this argument before in this Cartoon Blog by Azadeh Azad:

//iranian.com/main/blog/azadeh-azad/carto...

Please read from the bottom of the page where the discussion about the word "naamard" started.

In case any one believes that "naamard" means "zan", they could suggest it to loghatnameh dehkhoda.

Source:

//www.loghatnaameh.com/dehkhodaworddetail-753...

All Good Men Are Taken!

Azadeh,

I agree with you, all good men are sexi!

Faramarz

What you cited from Ferdowsi goes against your argument :-). Read the poem again and again until you understand what Ferdowsi is saying, for God's sake!

Resistance is futile. Good men are not sexist.

Cheers,

Azadeh

مردی و مردانگی

آزاده، در ادبیات فارسی وقتی صحبت از مردی و مردانگی میشود  مقصود شجاعت و دلیریست و کاری با خانومها  ندارد.

نامرد کسی است که شجاعت و دلیری ندارد!

البته در این شعر فردوسی صحبتی هم از زنان میشود!

شما را ز مردانگی نیست کار

مگر چون زنان رنگ و بوی و نگار

Just read Siamak Baniameri's disgusting comment

We already have the word Naa-Mardom, which means the exact same thing as Naa-Mard.

Naa-Mard is used by the iranian people as as insult to men. Those who use it for women are like the poet in this blog: completely insensitive to women's dignity. Using Naamard about a woman is an offense to women. Period.

Mard and Naamardi are sexist words, which have their roots in the glorification of maleness as the lotus of all things good.

In the Iranian culture, if you tell a man" you are like a woman," he is generally insulted, while if you tell a woman that she is like a man, she is supposed to feel (and most women do feel) honoured.

In our patriarchal and male-dominated culture, malehood= positive, femalehood=negative. Just think about the very sexist comment  Siamak Baniameri made on this site a few days ago, about Iranian women having "balls" and Iranian men "shaving their pussies." He was trying to say that Iranin women were courageous and Iranian men were like women, that is cowards. 

//iranian.com/main/2011/may/fathi-brothers

Azadeh

نامرد مطلقأ و ابدا به معنی زن نیست.

نامرد در زبان مردم کوچه و بازار به فردی نسبت داده میشود که بهره و بویی از انسانیت و صفات والای بشری نبرده باشد چه طرف زن باشد و چه مرد. در ضمن کلمه <ریخ> هم در اصطلاح عامه و بخصوص در یزد و نایین معنی <اسهال> می دهد. حال کدام <شیر پاک> خورد ه ای کلمه <تاریخ> را ابداع کرده خدا می داند. شاه ان شاه هم که گلاب بروی همه احتیاج به تفسیرندارد!! واقعا حیف یک جو عقل در پیکر شعرای ناز نازی و پرافتخارفارسی نواز!!

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okay agreed azadeh khanoom i accept that naamard is a sexist word and should not be use but you said the word naamard means a women which is wrong naamard means someone how dose not have "akhlaghiyati ke baraye ye mard taarif shode" and btw i wanna add that i support the feminism and equal rights for woman 

FREE IRAN

Naamard means Zan

Iranian people use the word Naamard as an insult to men not to women.

I remember during the Shan, a group of military men has been sent to fight the Kurdish militants. The commander-in-chief took a loud-speaker in his hand and shouted to the Kurdish fighters:

"If you are Mard, if you are not Zan, come to us, show your faces."

Naamard implies being like a woman. It is sexist and Mahnaz the Aryan is not aware of it, nor is she aware of her Racist poem based on the glorification of a Myth.

Naamard is as sexist as saying "that person, man or woman, has balls." Both are sexist and it is time to stop using them. These two sexist words can be replaced by words such as courageous, good person, noble person, etc.

Regarding the concept of race, for the last 50 years, it has been discarded from sociological texts as a non-functional term: it does not explain anything, but it justifies discriminations and dominations.

Cheers,

Azadeh

Ps.  It is the poem that is stupid, not the poet. The poet is only ignorant. She can educate herself and join the 21st century.

ari

agreed ari you are right there is no such a thing as an aryan race whatsoever aryaee refears to IE languages at least this is what scholars say i think she is wrong in what she says about being an aryan

FREE IRAN

IranMarzban

I am respecting the poet here by paying attention to her words. The poem says "Aryaee zaadeh," not "Aryaee zabaan," or even "Aryaee manesh." I appreciate that to you "Aryaee' refers to a language group, but the poem seems at odds with you on this point.  Poets are careful (or should be) about their choice of words. Zaadeh suggests heredity not language.

Made up!

آب هفت دریا نزداید  ز رخم
این ریمل و این روغن شاهنشاهی را

ari

ari aryan means someone how SPEAKS an indo european language has nothing to do with nazi ideology

FREE IRAN

Please verify the first line with DNA test result

آریایی زاده ام. . . .

If your genes end up breaking your heart, it could inspire a fantastic poem. Looking forward to it...seriously.

I think you are all jealous of Mahnaz's poetry skills!

Now who am I , the commie engineer , to comment on poetry? but I might suggest to at least some of those objecting to this poem to write their own. something like:

My history goes back to 1967

To the day, when these m$$$r F$$$ing joos kicked my nasser joon's rear fat end good and proper.

and ever since...

Me and my doctor joon

been dreaming of our own paki/comie korean bomb..

Now get on with it you poet laurietes,  dont allow the commie engineer to steal your show!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

azadeh khanoom

"naamard" does not mean "woman" please don`t invent words oh and btw the persian language is CHANGED i`m pretty sure they did not talk the same persian that we do now STOP the ignorance. oh and aryan means smeone how speaks an indo european language stop mixing it with nazi ideology

//www.loghatnaameh.com/dehkhodaworddetail-7530c8fee5f64e95845de598830b6edb-fa.html 

 //fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C

FREE IRAN

Embarrassing

Azadeh and PendarNik, your comments are not nice at all.  If you don't like this poem or the sentiments it expresses, have enough grace to move along. I promise you it is doable, as some of us have read our own share of things we don't like from some of the more established contributors and we have successfully moved along without being rude to the author or using cuss words to express our opinions. Just saying.

A stupid poem

... by an ignorant woman. We have enough of the Islamic thugs, we don't need to bring back the Aryan despotic thugs!

And is it part of your Aryan culture to use the sexist and misogynist term "NaaMardaan?" Were Aryan kings with 3000 wives in their harems real "Mardaan?" What about you? Are you a Mard or a Naamard = woman?

You may want to send your "poem" to the Aryan Nations as well:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

Cheers,

Azadeh

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