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Iran2050, you r Wrong it is truth about Islam no interpretations

Are you saying 

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do
they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow
the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

can NOT mean kill the non-believers?!, what do you base
this on? The true Muslims (true because they follow the words in
Quran), disagree with you  completely.Why is your
white-washing-Islam-approach correct and not the one's that actually
follow the clear words?

What
kind of a "holy book" is this quran that its message can be interpreted
in completely opposite ways? One leading to killing innocent people and one
something else (as you claim). I thought Muslims claim that Quan is
very simple to understand, apparently not (based on you it needs
interpretations). And if YOU can choose what it means then why do you
need Quran? I am sure you can make much better choices without all this
meaningless old hateful mumbo jambo 

I am not sure about
what you mean about "fashion", it is the Internet age and people know
much more about the cult of Islam its flaws and barbarism through out ages,
Quran's many mistakes,  the many character flaws of child-molester
Mohammad.... People find the truth easier now and QUESTION . Following
these barbaric Laws (Sharia) and stupid rituals is not accepted by man 21st century,
they don't want to follow it like sheep anymore, especially when this
stupidity called Islam is IMPOSED on them (like in Iran). Once more people READ
quran in their own language and not just repeat it in Arabic like
parrots several times a day, you will see more people questioning every aspect of Islam.

I
am glad you agree that there are "violent" versus in Quran. So you are
saying there are good and bad in Quran, right? That is exactly my point.
First of all what you call "kind" good etc., what is a big deal ? 
any moral person (or child) knows them , if you need to read in a book that you
should be nice to other people and can't figure it out for yourself,
then go for it. The only problem is even many of the "good" in Quran is
supposed to be done to other Muslim. Show me somewhere in Quran that it
says be good or help non-Muslims and make friends with non-believers.
Even the "good" in Islam is meant to spread the cult and not for the
good and love of humanity, regardless of religion.

Off course the "bad" in Quran and Islam
is all about killing and making everyone be obedient, etc. This CAN NOT
be ignored (as you imply). Besides, to be a true Muslim you have to follow the WHOLE quran
there is no pick and choose and as I mentioned earlier , if you have the
insight that you can see the good and bad in Quran , then why do you
even need it as a guide?

Islam has no race, it has hurt all
races, this has nothing to do with race or being Iranian, Iranians are
fortunate enough that because of our history we did not loose our
language and most of out culture , as many other great nations did
(Egypt)

The "golden age" of Islamic empire did not have anything
to do with Islam, but rather its member nations (such as Iran, Egypt,
etc., ). Where in quran and Islam does it talk about science and
advancement?Right now Islam-run countries are some of he most backward countries in the world and if was not for oil, they would be the poorest too.

Those Muslim Iraqis and Afghanis who were/are exploding themselves and killing IRAQI women
and children say they are doing it for Islam , not Iraq.  The al-qaida
terrorists that you are defending were even rejected by Iraqis. There is
NO nationalism in Quran nor Islam , can you show a verse that supports
people's love of their nation ? on the contrary  Islam is build to kill
the sense of nationalism and local culture 

Muslim savage have
been killing and maiming, stoning, ... long before any media was
around. Now many Muslims proudly explode themselves and others daily
around the World white reciting Quran, and you are blaming the media
for reporting it! and the amazing thing is that people (like you) who
say you are"not a religious person" but you justify their acts of
barbarism !

Finally, the Truth!

Well, it turns out that the people behind the Movie were, Steve Klein, a Vietnam War Vet and an outspoken anti-Islam Christian activist, and Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a Coptic Christian filmmaker, currently in hiding.

But what does the truth have to do with anything?

I believe that some apologies or words of regret by the anti-Semitic, anti-Baha'i, anti-logic and reasoning, peanut gallery on this site is in order.

I won't hold my breath though! Or as we say in Farsi "Sokoot Alaamat-e Rezast!"

//www.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/...

IranFirst,   I know

IranFirst,

I know it’s a fashion to being up a few versus in Quran that could be interpreted as license to kill, and I know it’s a fashion amongst many Iranians and Zionists to bash Islam and Arabs, and sometimes I say well I get it, after all, the guy who blows himself up and kills hundreds of innocent women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan does it in the name of Islam and brings up those same versus and says “god is great” right before he does it, I get it, but….

If you want to think empirically and objectively and scientifically and if you truly believe in equality and justice, you would know that all this has very few to do with Islam. For every 1 violent verse that you bring up, one can bring up hundreds of verses in Quran that calls for kindness to neighbors and to the poor and universal equality and justice and there is no force in religion and “you got your religion, I got mine” and orders people not to lie and not to steel and to be kind even to nature. So let’s not go there.

I’m saying this and I’m not a religious person! I don’t practice ANY religion but I try to think objectively. I have read the Quran and I have studies history, Islamic one amongst it. I have seen that at the time of the Islamic empire, the Middle East was a beacon of science, prosperity, progress and justice. People from all walks of life lived in peace together. So, again, this objectively, think empirically. Don’t let emotions and/or ideas of Iranian race superiority get to you.

The Islamic world has been under colonialism and neo-colonialism for centuries now. What does an Iraqi supposed to do when he’s country is unfairly occupied? Sit down and watch? No! Would we Americans sit down and watch if China occupies us? NO! Wouldn’t we want to give our lives for it to kick out the invader?? Sure we’ll do that!

For too long, Zionist run media and politics, have shown the Muslims as savages and inferior. So it’s easy for one to lose sight. I guess justice is to be applied only to certain people. Not everyone is entitled to it apparently!

I agree with this

I agree with this article.

The violent Islam that was introduced by Khomeini and quickly adopted by violent groups such as Al Qaeda and others, is as far as it can be from true Islam. Certainly Islam, just like any ideology, such as Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Judaism, capitalism, communism, can be interpreted in a million different ways, but to come out and single out Islam and repeatedly insult it is an act that shows no class and no common sense and deserve to be condemned.

That being said, freedom of speech is more important than anything. Those Islamists, who killed our ambassador in Libya, are following Khomeini’s extremist footsteps. We all remember how it all started when Iranian goons attacked U.S embassy in 1979.

Let’s differentiate between true Islam and between extremism. Most Muslims are kind and generous and moderate people. Lets be objective here.

Rea No Exagerations, its all in Quran

Rea Please read Quran

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do
they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow
the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until
they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a
state of subjection."

You said

"After all, who are the people who attacked embasies and killed the US
ambassador? They represent just a tiny fraction of the muslim world"

Correct. The attackers (even if minority) were following Quran (see above as an example), they are true followers of quran and Islam. Please see any Al-Qaida video, they always recite quran for terrorist acts they are doing. Muslims are ordered by Quran to kill non-believers (kafirs) (women, children, 9/11, Iraq,....)

There are some Muslims who do not follow quran completely and do not kill other they are not following Islam and considered to be soft or even kafir/non-believer  and can be killed by the first group. West calls them moderates.But there is no moderate Islam, there is no book for it and there are no set rules for it.

The enemy is Islam and muslims do not allow it to be reformed (they will attack and kill, if someone questions them, as we have seen repeatedly). Islam is NOT reformable. Many of Muslims (the second group) are the first victims of Islam. The strange thing is the "moderate" Muslims defend Islam and barbarism of Quran, sharia and what child-molesting Mohammad charlatan did, (even if they may not always practice it themselves) to defend their blind faith

IranFirst, let's not exagerate

Let's not mix muslims and islamists, world apart. 

After all, who are the people who attacked embasies and killed the US ambassador? They represent just a tiny fraction of the muslim world.

DK posted a good link.

//www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/

Muhammad Movie Updates, and Muslim Savages

The biggest achievement of humanity is not science and the miracles
that it has produced, but democracy and freedom. It is thanks to these
that free inquiry became possible, scientific achievements were made and
the world emerged from the Dark Ages. These are the biggest treasures
of mankind.  If they are lost, everything will be lost and humanity will
revert to barbarity.

This freedom is now under attack. The enemy is Islam. Muslims are not hiding....

//movie.alisina.org/

Hey Raoul

Stop swinging on the trees and put that banana down!

Serious issue but I can't help thinking

.... of Yemenis and khat (qat).

"Mission accomplished", everybody must've been given 1/2 kg of that good old plant. So, singing merrily they went back home.

Faramarz:

LOL.  Still laughing.

ON salafist

ON salafist Shiites:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

 Iran

Although Iran is a predominately Shia Muslim country and the Muslim Brotherhood is Sunni in doctrine, Olga Davidson and Mohammad Mahallati claim the Brotherhood has had influence among Shia in Iran.[68] Navab Safavi, who founded Fada'iyan-e Islam, (also Fedayeen of Islam, or Fadayan-e Islam), an Iranian Islamic organization active in Iran in the 1940s and 1950s, "was highly impressed by the Muslim Brotherhood.[69] From 1945 to 1951 the Fadain assassinated several high level Iranian personalities and officials who they believed to be un-Islamic. They included anti-clerical writer Ahmad Kasravi, Premier Haj Ali Razmara, former Premier Abdolhossein Hazhir, and Education and Culture Minister Ahmad Zangeneh.[70]

At that time Navab Safavi and Salar Golestanian now based in the UK where associates and allies of Ayatollah Khomeini who went on to become a figure in the Iranian Revolution of 1979.[70] Khomeini and other religious figures in Iran worked to establish Islamic unity and downplay Shia-Sunni differences.[citation needed]

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

This is an excellent

This is an excellent idea. 

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

There some Shi'ite

There some Shi'ite clergyman not beholden to the regime in Iran who believe that Khomeini and his whole gig is nothing but a Sunni Salafi costume party pretending to be Shi'ite.

There is some truth to that statement.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Make a Movie & They'll Climb Walls!

Somebody must have told them that they were showing the movie at the Embassy Cineplex Theatres downtown!

We are really good at climbing, using clubs and starting fires! Take that you arrogant Homosapiens!

delldaar

There some Shi'ite clergyman not beholden to the regime in Iran who believe that Khomeini and his whole gig is nothing but a Sunni Salafi costume party pretending to be Shi'ite.

Dear AI.

I would like to mention a few things here.  One is what a Muslim should do given the situation in which Prophet is mocked such as this case? There is a verses in Quran that commands us to simply walk away without getting involve in any violent behavior.  Are we set on that?  So, those who call themselves Muslims and act otherwise are not listening to Quran. . PERIOD .

Now my other point is what I mentioned under Azadeh's blog yesterday and for that you can actually listen to the excellent comment made by Christine Amanpour in this case.  She mentions that there are laws that support freedom of speech in the U.S but at the same time it is against law to cry fire in the crowded theater. Something that this producer exactly had in mind doing so for reasons that I mentioned in Azadeh's and other blog.

The world is full of ignorant people whom you have no control of but the same world is also full of people who exactly know what they are up to.  I blame both .. They are the reasons that we are seeing no peace and we keep being fed the word ' war' 

SALAFIST ?

WHO GAVE fATVA TO KILL SALMON ROSHDI, AS FAR AS i KNOW ,KOMEINI WAS NO SALAFI, OR WAS HE.  

AI: Again in a perfect world…

I would have agreed with you in all accounts.  But I think your suggested method is hardly a sensible way in bringing the much maturity and saneness into the Muslim world.  I believe such way of thinking, as it has proven so far, it would only ignite and exasperate the situation as oppose to educating them.  It is ignorance that they suffer from.

  And while we are talking about the NOT killing phenomena (because of religion, politics, etc.), sadly more people are killed around the world at the hands of super powers and perhaps people of religions other than Muslims.  Just look at Europe in the last 50-60 years and see how many people have been killed.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

All of the violent reaction to this film

Is coming exclusively from Salafist groups in North Africa, Egypt and pockets of the Arab world were these Salafists have influence. There has been little to no reaction of this magnitude from Iran or from the Shi'ite enclaves of Iraq and Lebanon.

So you have to ask yourself, given that this film gained widespread attention on 911 2012, who benefits? The animals who lynched and sodomized the US ambassador to Libya were the same people Senator John McCain, Secretary Killary Clinton and the rest of the rat-bags of the US establishment were hailing as "revolutionaries" and "freedom fighters" last year when it was Ghaddafi at the receiving end of their guns. 

Like I said on another blog, this is what you call that awkward moment when your Salafi al-Qaeda proxies turn on you like mangy dogs! America, pay heed because we told you so!

Bavafa

People make a mockery of the Holocaust every day around the world. Please look at the actions of the IRI government re Holocaust. You do not see Jews burning embassies and killing people.

And to answer your question: As disgusting as it is,  I believe a person should have a right to do it in Jerusalem as well.

I think it goes deeper than freedom of speech as we understand it in the West. I think its tied to freedom of religion which is non existent in the Muslim world. I am not talking about Jew or Christians being free to practice their religion. I am talking about Muslims freedom to practice their religion.

If these societies want to go to the next level and come out of the backwardness they are in, they MUST give up these sensitivities over their religion. You do not kill over religion, you do not kill over speech, you do not kill over politics. This is all missing in the Muslim world. 

AI: In a perfect world….

Where most if not all people believed in common sense, logic and could restrain their emotions, then I would have cautiously agreed with you. But I think for people like you and I that are not that sensitive to religion, it maybe easy for us to say, lets mock them all. 

However, this is something that is very sacred for so many people and mocking it, would be plainly stupid if not border line criminal. What would you think if someone made a gross mockery of the Holocaust in Jerusalem?  Do we still believe that he/she should be allowed to carry on?  I guess what I am trying to say is that, freedom of speech should be valued greatly, but also sensitivity to others deep emotion should also be kept in mind. 

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad