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Americans Have 9/11, Iranians have 9/22
09-Sep-2011
On September 22, 1980, the Iraqi Army invaded Iran. Iraqi military aircrafts bombed Iran's major airports. In days, Iraqi soldiers had occupied and conquered many major Iranian cities. Iraq targeted oil tankers, oil platforms, and Iranian islands in the Persian Gulf with weaponry supplied by France, the same country who had funded Khomeini's flight back to Tehran a year or so before. Iran's oil exports were effectively shut down.
Said K. Arburish, biographer and author of Saddam Hussein: The Politics of Revenge, said Hussein met with CIA agents in Amman approximately one year before the invasion. Kenneth R. Timmerman, a political journalist and executive director of the Foundation for Democracy in Iran, backed up the claim, proposed the sessions were Brzezinski's idea.
Timmerman quoted National Security Council member Gary Sick as saying “Brzezinski was letting Saddam assume there was a U.S. green light for his invasion of Iran.”
Beside US 'encouragement, there are now allegations that key members of Iran’s opposition, consisting of former Prime Minister Shapour Bakhtiar, former senior Iranian military officers, and Prince Reza Pahlavi also held meetings with Iraqi officials. They provided intelligence and guidance for the Iranian invasion. One of Reza Pahlavi’s aids (Shahbazi) later alleged his involvement in identifying integral Iranian military targets. Bakhtiar's associates have also confirmed that he had travelled to Baghdad many times prior to the invasion.
It is also now established that in August of 1980, Saddam Hussein met with Saudi princes who encouraged the war for their own reasons.
Suddenly, Iraq and its army percieved an opportunity and had also become a tool for enemies of the regime in Iran.
Hussein quickly planned the invasion of Iran. He hoped to seize a substantial portion of Iranian territory early on, which would destabilize the Islamic Republic and allow him to overthrow Khomeini's regime.
Iran, for all intents and purposes, was defenseless against Hussein's forces. With the Iranian government against the wall, Reagan's staff and Iranian officials held a final, secret meeting in Paris during the month of October in 1980. This meeting was led by America's Vice President Elect George Bush and William Casey (later Reagan's Director of CIA) and Iran's Speaker of the Majlis Mehdi Karroubi.
Bush and Casey delivered $40 million to the Iranians. This, along with $5 billion in illegal arms deals and an agreement not to interfere with the Islamic Republic, was a bribe offered in exchange for the 52 American hostages held in Tehran to not be released until after the 1980 election. This would guarantee Carter's defeat and Reagan's victory.
The agreement not to challenge the new Iranian regime allowed the Islamic Republic to take full control of Iran.
On January 20, 1981, the very day of President Reagan's inauguration, America released nearly $8 billion in Iranian assets. Iran finally freed the hostages more than a whole year after their initial capture.
Israel agreed to ship American weaponry to Iran. The Washington Post claimed Haig authorized the shipment, and that it was worth between $10 million and $15 million. Other reports said the weapons were worth up to $246 million.
Haig denied his involvement, but said, “I have a sneaking suspicion that someone in the White House winked.”
An aircraft carrying American weaponry from Israel to Iran crashed in Turkey in July of 1981. Banisadr said it was the third arms shipment from Israel during Reagan’s presidency. Israeli Housing Minister and former Defense Minister Ariel Sharon said the American government sanctioned all Israeli arms shipments to Iran during the war. The Israeli ambassador to America, Moshe Arens, said Israel’s arms shipments were supported by the government at “almost the highest of levels.”
The arms shipments ceased on October 28, 1988. Over 2,000 American missiles and parts had been shipped to Iran by that point.
America sustained the war beyond simply supplying Iran. Haig told the Senate’s foreign relations committee he anticipated better relations with Iraq. The government removed Iraq from the American government’s list of terrorist countries and gave a $400 million credit guarantee for American exports to Iraq. By 1984, America and Iraq held full diplomatic relations for the first time since 1967.
The process continued until the end of the war as Iraqi and Iranian forces alike died in the line of fire. Waves of soldiers and civilians fell to bombs and chemical agents, a tragedy beyond the comprehension of the beltway strategists who sat in their comfortable homes and planned the deaths of thousands. America, an advocator of world peace, supplied both countries and sustained the war for their own gain.
America, the United Kingdom, and Germany provided technology to Iraq which allowed them to expand their missile program and radar defenses. According to a leaked, uncensored copy of Iraq’s declaration to the United Nations, they obtained the knowledge and materials required for developing unconventional weapons from 150 foreign companies. These companies came from countries including America, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, and China.
The Russians remained neutral until 1982. Scared that the ideology behind the Islamic Revolution could spread to neighboring regions they controlled, the Soviets supplied weapons to Iraq. With Russia presenting itself as an enemy once again, Iran's mullahs expelled 13 Soviet diplomats and commenced a mass execution of Tudeh Party members. Iran began supporting Afghanistan’s battle against the Russians as well.
In response, the Soviets established a working relationship with Kuwait. They agreed to sell arms and protect Kuwaiti ships in the Persian Gulf. This move threatened America's control and strategy in the Persian Gulf and led to an American-influenced Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1991, several years after Kuwait's mistake.
Russian arms shipments to Iraq are estimated to have been $10 billion, including over 2,000 tanks, 300 aircraft, 300 surface-to-air missiles, and thousands of artillery and armored vehicles.
North Korea was also a major supplier to Iran. They produced and sold their own arms, and also served as a deniable intermediary to Iran for Russia and China. North Korea first sold and shipped Russian weaponry to Iran in October of 1980, not long after the war began. A billion-dollar sale of Chinese equipment followed. Iran paid for the supplies with cash and crude oil, and North Korea became Iran’s leading arms and munitions supplier in 1982.
The deals between North Korea and Iran were no laughing matter. The details of an SA-7 missile sale conducted in 1987 show the extent of international involvement in the war. As the North Korean purchases continued, Russia, who publicly sold weapons to Iran's enemies, benefited as well. In fact, the SA-7 missile shipment came from a Polish, Soviet-controlled firm known as Perenosny Zenitiny Raketny Kompleks.
European companies prospered from the deals. The London branch of Commerzbank A.G., a West German bank, posted a $100,000 performance bond. Swiss firm Wuppesahl A.G. insured the shipment and the Union Bank of Switzerland issued a letter of credit to Iran for $18,640,000. Funds transferred through London's Commerzbank, which received commission for its services, to Russia's account with the West German bank, Deutchebank A.G.
The whole world seemed to benefit from the war. America, Europe, and Russia all supplied arms to Iraq. In turn, neighboring Arab states financially supported Iraq. America, and indirectly Russia and China, supplied weaponry to Iran as well. Global superpowers maintained the war's stalemate and reaped the financial rewards at the cost of innocent lives.
The tides turned on October 5, 1986, when an American cargo plane crashed in southern Nicaragua. Two crew members died, but one, Eugene Hasenfus, lived. The Sandinista army captured him and escorted him from the crash site at gunpoint.
Hasenfus’ capture set in motion a chain of events which ultimately led to the embarrassment of Reagan’s administration. The truth of one of the biggest political scandals in American history was blown wide open. The true nature of the October Surprise, including America's arms deals with Iran, was finally exposed to the American people.
Over the course of several Congressional hearings, members of Reagan’s administration were convicted. However, none of the sentences reflected the nature of their crimes. The harshest ruling was two years of probation and a $20,000 fine. None of the politicians were imprisoned.
These events came to be known as the Iran-Contra Affair.
American involvement in the war was contradictory. Despite privately supporting Iran, they publicly opposed the Islamic Republic.
President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 4-82 and selected Donald Rumsfeld as his emissary to Saddam Hussein. Rumsfeld met with Hussein in December of 1983 and March of 1984. American ambassador Peter W. Galbraith said, “The Reagan administration was afraid Iraq might actually lose."
Howard Teicher, the Director of Political-Military Affairs for the National Security Council, accompanied Rumsfeld to Baghdad in 1983. According to his affidavit, the CIA secretly directed armaments and technology to Iraq through third parties in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Kuwait. They encouraged private suppliers and military companies to do the same.
Two of every seven approved licenses for the export of “dual use” technology were American. This technology was sent to Iraqi forces, weapons producers, or enterprises suspected of diverting technology to weapons of mass destruction, according to an investigation by Chairman Henry B. Gonzales of the House Banking Committee.
In the last five years of the Iran-Iraq War, 771 export licenses were given to Iraq for items relating to weapons. Iraq purchased ingredients for chemical weapons, biological agents including anthrax, cluster bombs, and calibration devices for mustard gas production. Recently declassified Congressional and NSA documents show America's government was aware and supportive of these sales.
Americans mourn the events of 9/11, which led to the deaths of over 3,000 innocents and resulted in 4,000 more military deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iranians should mourn 9/22, the date of Iraq’s invasion of Iran in 1980, which resulted in the deaths of half a million Iranian and Iraqi people.
Ironically, Jimmy Carter, who played a large part in encouraging one of the bloodiest wars in modern history, won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.
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Ayatoilet Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Sep 19, 2011 05:47 PM PDTI agree that the war was a big deal and cost us a great amount specially lives. But also other things like cementing the power of IRI. But America was going to start it no matter what: with or without help from the accused.
Anyway, we agree on one thing, a truth comission after a change in government would have value ...and it should be done by very credible, honest and patriotic people.
Good. Meanwhile I suggest patriotic Iranians like you put their energy where it matters. For example in ridding Iran of IRI. And providing a credible alternative. Ideas and plans for a secular democracy.
Bakhtiyar is not going anywhere. So there is plenty of time to dig into the history once the Titanic is saved! Really it is a matter of timing and {im}partiality. Not to mention resources required to get to bottom of things.
VPK-Jan Khordeh Heasb Nist - ITS A BIG DEAL!
by ayatoilet1 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 05:26 PM PDT500,000 Iranians died....
And by the way stop all this nonesense about hanging, hanging hanging ...its a little childish. I wont defend Dr. Bahar - but he has a great deal - maybe the most - credibility of all the people that have commented on this issue. And once again ask yourself, what would you do if were one of the kids of one of these pilots killed in Nojeh ...because someone let the IRI know about it? What would you do as an ordinary Iranian, if in fact the coup was successful and Iranians had a decent government - instead of 8 years of war, and 30 years of brutality....What kind of justice would you ask for, if the truth on who did it comes out?
Anyway, we agree on one thing, a truth comission after a change in government would have value ...and it should be done by very credible, honest and patriotic people.
Ayatoilet Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Sep 19, 2011 05:17 PM PDTI read a great deal of history. But am not interested in "Khordeh hesab tasfieh". When the right time comes realy impartial historians will get to these. Meanwhile Iranians got bigger problems.
This is like arguing English history on the Titanic. None of the results of these will make any difference in how Iran moves on. We need a secular democratic government not Bahar who wants to "hang" people.
I am sorry but if we put our work into revenge right now we lose. That will happen no matter who gets power. Instead I suggest after a democratic Iran then have a "truth committee". With real unbiased historians not some "Iranian TV" program from LA.
PS,
Parham:
Yes I find Dr. Bahars demand for hanging his opponents shameful.
VPK - Lets forget about History or Historians...
by ayatoilet1 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 05:00 PM PDTYes you are right, studying history and talking to historians is pointless. Don't read IC, don't read books, don't search for truth...don't ask questions if you don't like the answer. Events are not what you would like them to be, they simply are what they are.
According to you, NO body can be impartial. No one can be independent. Everyone has an agenda. Discount everything. We should close the file.
As for myself, I want to keep looking into this. That is my perogative. Its not for you or anyone else to tell me what interests to have and what to believe. Just like I do not do the same for you.
And by the way, I am full of pride in doing so. Record comments, Record viewership. There is absolutely NO shame in studying and writing about Iran's history. And I think at the end of all this, we will create a context for Iran's next government....and true freedom and democracy in Iran. But that is just me... as for you, please do as you say, stop reading IC or history.
Shameless
by Parham on Mon Sep 19, 2011 04:51 PM PDT...
Ayatoilet Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Sep 19, 2011 04:50 PM PDTWho is going to guarantee the veracity of any of these "hearings". Not "Dr." Bahar. How are you going to bring Dr. Bakhtiyar to testify? He is gone. Therefore it will be hand picked supporters of Bahar; no thank you.
Forget these "open" hearings are not going to server any purpose. It will turn into a circus with Bahar having a monologue trashing his opponents. No one will believe any of it and you will waste your time. I would not even bother to watch.
Now I am going to do something more productive. Get a bit of work done and then get something to eat. While you and Bahar are trashing Bahktiyar IRI is doing as it wants. I am asking myself: why do I read IC anymore. It is a bad as Fox now.
How About An Open Hearing On This?
by ayatoilet1 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 04:25 PM PDTMaybe on Iranian Satelite TV? I asked Dr. Bahar if he is willing to participate. And he agreed to it. And made more comments as follows:
1) In these types of events nothing written is ever recorded. Most politics like this is secretive and there is very little to prove things one way or another. But look at the results, and you get all your answers. Personal accounts do have value, because there is very little written. And by the way, in the Iran-Contra (October Surprise) case, over 19 personal witnesses including Senators Heinz and Tower were killed to eliminate the possibility of any personal accounts of the events being available for the public. And Bill Casey, paid cash for everything and never used a credit card, so there would be no trace of his movements.
2) Dr. Bahar was personally in touch with Bakhtiar during this period and would like to provide personal accounts of specific conversations, specific observations, and specific contacts that Bakhtiar made. There really is no one more credible than Dr. Bahar. And he uses his real name, provides his photograph, and says all this. That's integrity for you.
3) He also mentioned that there are people that were very close to all these events like Brigadier-General Moinzadeh who actually worked at Bakhtiar's radio station in Iraq, and then edited a newspaper (ARA) in London that can corroborate the facts.
4) Shahbazi's first hand accounts are compelling, and Dr. Bahar refers everyone to his TV show (and would like to show the TV interviews with Shahbazi).
Its a common tactic of those that want to hide their evil, that they start off by calling people liars, then trying to discredit their credibility, and then make any possible consequence a farce. Then they say Oh you've got nothing. Discredit all you like, bt these are absolute facts.
Like MM said, the regime rounded up 600 people and executed a large number of them; and all fingers point to Bakhtiar and his Pahlavi backers! And, like I said, what would you do if you were related to one of those killed? If it was your father?
I really am not trying to put anyone down, just trying to uncover the truth ...to honor the dead.
All these
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Sep 19, 2011 02:01 PM PDTare speculations based on total guesses. None of them implicate RP. The only one doing it is Bahar. A man whose posts here showed me he harbors disrespect for dissent. He called for hanging pretty much anyone!
No matter what happened Dr. Bakhtiyar is not around to defend himself. Nor is he available for punishment. The Bahar evidence against RP is as flimsy as it gets. Therefore I am going to forget the whole deal. No proof means no more action.
For what it's worth...
by Parham on Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:57 PM PDT- Bakhtiar did not know about the coup until either the last days it was supposed to happen (perhaps even the last day) or right after it was unfolded (again, perhaps right after it was unfolded, which more or less make it the same dates). In any case, he was not involved in its planning at all.
- Bakhtiar did establish his radio station in Iraq, but before the war started. He probably wouldn't have done so if other countries (such as Turkey) had let him create his station there. The radio station remained in Iraq and operated from there after the war began despite the constant pressure from the Iraqis, which the staff actually didn't put up with. Examples are: Obligation to call the Persian Gulf the Arabic Gulf, slipping-in news in favor of the Iraqi forces, etc. The radio was eventually disbanded a few years later.
Saddam/Shah/Bakhtiar and the Nojeh coup - a speculation!
by MM on Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:18 PM PDTAfter looking into a lot of sites, here is what I gather on negotiations between Saddam/Bakhtiar and the monarchists. While there are sites/references that allude to the Nojeh coup as being part of this axis, more actual documents need to be surfaced to back this up. I should also emphasize that no actual documents were found and the sources include sites that are referenced, but these allegations need to be cross-referenced against the Iraqi archives, but the dates line up ok.
May 1980 – Bakhtiar visits Baghdad (mediated by King Hussein and Brzezinski) to set up a new radio station (note 1) in Iraq and eventually get everyone in line for the Nojeh Coup, “under the pretext of a call for aid from Iranian loyalist officers (note 2) plotting their own uprising on @ July 9, 1980 (Assassination of Shapour Bakhtiar)”.
July 1980 – Brzezinski would meet Jordan's King Hussein in Amman to discuss detailed plans for Saddam Hussein to sponsor a coup in Iran against Khomeini, while Bakhtiar was operating from Baghdad and Soleimanieh. King Hussein was Saddam's closest confidant in the Arab world, and served as an intermediary during the planning (Prominent Poles).
July 1980 - Abolhassan Bani-Sadr quietly rounded up six hundred of the loyalist plotters within Iran, putting an effective end to the Nojeh coup (note 3).
September 1980 - Saddam decided to invade without the Iranian officer's assistance, beginning the Iran-Iraq war on 22 September 1980 (Prominent Poles). After Iraq’s unilateral invasion of Iran, I cannot find any references on any collaborations between Bakhtiar and Saddam.
06/06/2007 – Arthur Morales and William Payne filed papers in a US court to charge Brzezinski for initiating the Iran-Iraq war.Note 1 – The Baghdad radio announcers allegedly would include Meybodi, Sur-e Esrafil (If You Want Forgiveness), etc. So, Ayatoilet1 can check with them as a source. This reference also alleges that Bakhtiar took money from Saddam, but unlike MEK, he did not do anything for Saddam.
Note 2 – If both the “loyal officers” and Bakhtiar were involved in this coup, it is hard to imagine that the monarchists were not involved in these negotiations. But, this is only a guess and need to be backed up by Iraqi documents.
Note 3 – Sources differ on the origin of the leak of the Nojeh coup to the IRI. Some say that the leak came from the Soviet bloc, who did not want to see the Shah back (Carter asks Saddam to invade Iran). Others say that Saddam’s regime leaked the coup to the IRI so that the top Iranian officers would be destroyed by the IRI (Nojeh Coup) in preparation for Iraq’s invasion of Iran.
Talk is cheap
by Siavash300 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:22 PM PDT" گفته میشود دکتر بختیار ارتباط خود با این کودتا و هدایت آنرا هیچگاه نپذیرفت."
The above statement is from the link that ayatoilet provided in his post. Dr. Bakhtiar never accept the accusation. He is no longer alive to defend himself.
The above story reminds me of Arvand Ebrahimi's famous book regarding Coup and operation Ajax. He quates from Dean Acheson. U.S secratary of state department during Eizenhower administration. According to Ebrahimi; Dean Acheson in his final days in his death bed said "Communist threat was smoke screen". Acheson is no longer alive to defend himself about his statement of operation Ajax. There is no book, no video tape from him to say that. We have to accept whatever Ebrahimi is claiming!!! . What a credible source.!!!. There is another guy in London by the name of Zia Ebrahimi who is claimining "Iranians are NOT Aryan". I am wondering if these 2 Ebrahimi are related.
Similar situation is the letter from Yazdegard III to Umar. The letter supposedly being kept in U.K musuem.
Some one by the name of the Reza wrote a letter to museum of London inquiring about the letter. The respond came back that Musuem of London is only deals with city of London affairs and he should contact the British museum or liberary of British museum. Reza wrote the letters to both sources. He received a respond that the administration of British museum is aware of such a letter runing around among Persian community these days but such a letter doesn't exist. !!!!!!!
Therefore, I personally hesitate any source of Iranian testimony or claims, unless it has to be proved by international community. The athencity of any claim by any Iranian should be approved by international community. I strongly believe that this behavior originated from the principal of "Taqiyah" which is forming upbringing of majority of Iranians. This principal only practices by shia.
VPK - THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE
by ayatoilet1 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 06:50 AM PDTHere is plenty of evidence from the comment trail, which I am copying and reposting and there is a lot more where this all came from. There is no question that Bakhtiar cooperated with Saddam Hussein, and that Bakhtiar was acting on behalf of the Royal Family. And Shabazi's account of RPII's meeting with Iraqi officers is compelling ...but either way, whether you or others accept Shahbazi's accounts, the facts regarding Bakhtiar are compelling. Very compelling evidence.
By Dr. Bahar: “I personally interviewed Ali Shahbazi on my program and there is no question his statements are accurate, and have had first-hand engagement with Bakhtiar's associates. Here is more information for everyone: 1- A group of Iranian army officers of Shah’s regime met with Saddam Hussein in Baghdad to encourage him to continue war with Iran and they provided all necessary information and documents to Saddam about strategic and most important roads and depots and logistic centers or locations to be bombed or demolished by Iraqi forces. Further to the submitting information that delegation which was headed by General Gholam Ali Oveisi former Commander of Iranian Army promised to furnish all sorts of co-operation to support Iraqi’s commanders at any level and try to keep in touch on regular bases whenever and wherever might be required. Against such a co-operation Saddam promised to finance General Gholam Ali Oveisi’s efforts as planned as much as fund might be required. First payment to General Gholam Ali Oveisi has been mentioned at the same time was 8,000,000 (eight million US Dollars). General Gholam Ali Oveisi and Shapoor Bakhtiar both accepted to go ahead with Saddam’s proposals and act as 5th column of Iraqi forces which they did and both murdered by Islamic Republic of Iran in Paris. General Gholam Ali Oveisi and Shapoor Bakhtiar both openly declared that they are trying to reinstate Reza Pahlavi (who was crown Prince at the time) as a king for Iran. These arrangements and agreements could not take place without Reza Pahlavi’s consent and his confirmation and co-operation. 2 – Mr. Ali Shahbazi a non-commissioned officer who was one of the confidant of shah and his family which after Revolution was serving as an assistant to Reza Pahlavi in Washington in TV show which took place in Ranga Rang TV sometime in 2002 - 2003 revealed that when he was working for Reza Pahlavi one day he was told by Prince himself that “to day I have 2 or 3 visitors who are Iraqi army or air force officers ,you (Shahbazi) be careful when they come to lead them to my office immediately and manage all security arrangements for my meeting with them in away nobody can interrupt us or see them (Iraqi Officers) or find out they are here to meet me” Shahbazi continued saying I did whatever he asked me to do but as such meeting to me was not a sort of normal visit I became curious and when I took the guests (Iraqi Officers) into Prince’s office and shut the door and came out I put my ear on the door to listen to their conversation. As soon as Prince stood up to welcome them to shake hand I heard prince said I hope you hit all targets? One of the officers answered we could hit 176 of them and not all of them. So I became sure that Reza Pahlavi ‘s question was about the targets which definitely he provided information to the air force of Iraq and the number of targets has been more than 200 which Iraqi planes hit 176 of them and no more. The tape of Shahbazi’s evidence in TV called Rang-a-Rang is available and whatever Mr.Shahbazi revealed never has been denied until present time. I hope these information are convincing and are to everyone's satisfaction. After The so called Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 , escaped authorities of previous regime tried to form an opposition to campaign against present murderers and armed thieves ruling in Iran. When Bakhtiar escapes to Paris a meeting held in NY.Present at that meetings were Princess Ashraf twin sister of Shah , General Ghlam Ali Oveisi,Ali Rezaii, Kambiz Aataby,Hooshang Ansari,Brigadier General Javad Moinzadeh. These personalities decide to use Bakhtiar as a head of opposition and finance a movement led by him. Princess Ashraf declares that she is ready to grant 500,000 USD to Bakhtiar .Two or three people present at the meeting declare their readiness to take the money to Bakhtiar but Ashraf was reluctant to send the money through volunteers so declares that she personaly takes the money and pays to Bakhtiar in Paris and she does it. After this first payment all Bakhtiar activities was financed by Saddam Hussain. Millions of USD paid in cash in Baghdad to Bakhtiar’s agent whom at that time was Sirus Aamoozgar which was delivering the cash to Bakhtiar. Bakhtiar generously was distributing these cashes among his supporters and paying them fixed salaries .Against these payments he expected them to work as a member of 5th column of Iraq forces and follow the policy of Saddam which all were doing so with one way or another. Bakhtiar called his supporters as members of National Resistance movement Which it was not in a real sense Movement or National Or akind of Resistense at all. When Bakhtiar was murdered until his killers found many people they were thinking Saddam has managed to kill Bakhtiar and not The Mafia ruling in Iran. Because Saddam’s Intelligence discovered that all the money goes to Bakhtiar is wasted by him and his collaborators which somehow was true. I personally know some of Bakhtiar’s confidants depositing the monies in British Banks and buying properties in London as an investment but in their own names and not in the name of any organization or Bakhtiar himself. Bakhtiar was getting the blames only. There was corruption in spending those money and stealing for sure. But later on when all murderers of Bakhtiar were known and arrested world came to know that the murderers of Bakhtiar all were agents of Mafia ruling in Iran. I well remember that Bakhtiar personally went to Baghdad and met Saddam to compromise and agree to term and conditions of Saddam. Bakhtiar openly after that meeting in all his interviews admitted his support and collaboration with Iraq and confirmed the receipt of money from Saddam and never did hide or deny that. I personally when criticized him he answered “General De Gaul also for resistance was collaborating with foreign countries”!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Mahmood Pourshalchi an Iranian Journalist at that time released lot of information concerning the receipt of money from Iraq and published and distributed pay list of those who were receiving money from Bakhtiar. All Bakhtiar was doing was not only to support Saddam but clearly he was for reaffirming the constitution of 1906 of Iran which according to that constitution Reza Pahlavi was to be recognized as official Crown Prince to replace his deposed father.”
By Fair: Gentlemen, I have researched this a bit more, and while I am a supporter of Dr. Bakhtiar and what he stood for, I am a stronger supporter of the truth and free flow of information. For what it is worth, I have found the following eyewitness account of an IIAF pilot Major Nassirkhani who met Dr. Bakhtiar early on, and then one day walked into a meeting with Dr. Bakhtiar not knowing that there were senior Iraqi officials present and offerring to support Bakhtiar's plot for overthrowing the new government, and walked out of the meeting refusing to cooperate. All this was before the war started, and unfortunately Dr. Bakhtiar thought that the Iraqis can provide a launching pad for overthrowing the new mullah government.
Major Nassirkhani's interview is here: //www.khodnevis.org/index.php?news=14180
My Interviews & Other Sources: Bakhtiar provided daily briefing meetings with US military attaché in Paris - that is now documented and provide on the ground intelligence on the state of affairs in Iran, and he gave detailed intelligence from former Iranian military on Iran's military capability. There is even some information that he "misled" Iranian air-force officers to undertake a coup called the Nojeh coup ... and then made sure to inform the Khomeini regime of the participants in the coup ...so that Iranian airforce officers would be killed and effectively make Iran impotent with air power so that the Iraqis could undertake their invasion unhindered by Iranian air power. 37 senior, first rate, world class air force pilots (trained in the US) were executed...so Saddam would succeed in his invasion.
There is no
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Sep 19, 2011 04:49 AM PDTquestion in my mind neither Shah nor RP was involved with Saddam. No motive; nothingto gain; no reason. We already hashed this out a dozen times and let us move on.
I agree that RP has not been much of a leader and I am disappointed. A good man; a patriot and all that but not really energetic. Siavash is also right we do not need a "fighter". Those are dime a dozen and may be found in barracks of the army. We need a visionary with the ability to run a nation and pull it out of trouble. RP has all that required skills but energy. He needs a transfusion of coffee! If you want RP the somebody better go and power him up out of his sleep.
Ambiguity in this article. Crown Reza is a right leader
by Siavash300 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 04:11 AM PDT"September 22, 1980, the Iraqi Army invaded Iran" Ayatoilet
"Hussein met with CIA agents in Amman approximately one year before the invasion." Ayatoilet That means 1979.
"Prince Reza Pahlavi also held meetings with Iraqi officials. They provided intelligence and guidance for the Iranian invasion" Ayatoilet
Shah died July 1980.
According to the article, shah was still alive when the plan for invasion initiated. How come shah didn't get involved and his 19 year old son was involved?
Nationalism is to promote right leadership. Crown Reza Pahlavi is the only solution at this historical juncture. He has been trained as he was growning up to lead the country. Shah divorced his beloved wife Soraya because Iran needed a prince to protect the right of the people once shah is gone. That was Crown Reza Pahlavi. Over the years the nation was observing the prince reaches to the legal age that can lead the nation. That was historical investment. It didn't come out of blue. It was planned.
Crown Reza is well educated, well trained. The most important aspect of his personality is the fact that he was being raised by a loving, talented mother which makes him disctictively different with others. What we need is a loving character for our poeple. Vivid example is the president of the Chile. Her name is Michelle. Her both parents were tortured and killed by D.I.N.A secret police of Pinocheh regime. She transformed that hate to the love for her nation. We have had enough "Fatima commandores" these days. Fatima commandores are patroling on streets to see who is breaching from Islamic penal codes. They are good fighters, but we don't need those garbages.
Now, any attempt to dismiss the historical plan of monarchy under Reza Pahlavi leadership is aiding the ruling mullahs stay on power longer.
Siavash
Amir Jan 5000 years of Padeshahi does not equal Pahlavis!
by ayatoilet1 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 08:14 PM PDTAS I have said many times, I am not against the Monarchy. I am simply against a monarchy that is NOT at the service of the people. I am for a monarchy that is a guarantor of Iran's democracy, that is a protector of the basic rights of all Iranians, that is a servant of the nation...not a monarchy that sees the people as its servant, that sees Iran as their god given lan, and that needs people to bow to it, and pay for a monarch's priviledges... Not a feudal monarch, not a lord, but an ultimate arbiter, a jurist, a servant of the people ...a guardian of people's rights.
RPII is not a warrior for the people. He is an armchair prince. He is no fighter... just a talker. He can not be expected to "protect" the rights of the people.
Its time for a new prince. Someone who will bring democracy to Iran and then protect the democratic rights of the people. In the end, nationalism means identifying and promoting the right leadership, right concepts and the right political infra-structure that will promote the prosperity and future of Iranians to the max.
Amir Jan 5000 years of Padeshahi does not equal Pahlavis!
by ayatoilet1 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 08:08 PM PDTAS I have said many times, I am not against the Monarchy. I am simply against a monarchy that is NOT at the service of the people. I am for a monarchy that is a guarantor of Iran's democracy, that is a protector of the basic rights of all Iranians, that is a servant of the nation...not a monarchy that sees the people as its servant, that sees Iran as their god given lan, and that needs people to bow to it, and pay for a monarch's priviledges... Not a feudal monarch, not a lord, but an ultimate arbiter, a jurist, a servant of the people ...a guardian of people's rights.
RPII is not a warrior for the people. He is an armchair prince. He is no fighter... just a talker. He can not be expected to "protect" the rights of the people.
Its time for a new prince. Someone who will bring democracy to Iran and then protect the democratic rights of the people. In the end, nationalism means identifying and promoting the right leadership, right concepts and the right political infra-structure that will promote the prosperity and future of Iranians to the max.
Amirparviz
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Sep 18, 2011 06:47 PM PDTRight! That is exactly why claims that RP was in with Saddam are false. RP has been loyal to Iran his whole life. When he had a chance to betray Iran he turned it down. His loyalty is not in question.
My only issue with him is the lack of energy. He just does not seem to have the drive a leader requires. But when it comes to "Mihan Parasti" and patriotism he is beyond reproach.
Yes VPK That's Right.
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 06:35 PM PDTAnd this Fact is credibly verified by multiple sources. It refutes the likelyhood of the accusation made in this article by Kh Kh Kh. So I gave him that link to the article I wrote. It is one thing to be a pahlavi hater first and to look for made up stuff by other pahlavi haters and another to have the truth and then use that.
amirparviz Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Sep 18, 2011 06:21 PM PDTI have known about the MEK; Natanz thing for a while. Israeli first approached Reza Pahlavi and asked him to "expose" IRI. But RP said no because it would be "treason". Then they went to MEK who did it.
Ayatoiltet Kh Kh Kh This article was written by me for you.
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 06:10 PM PDT//iranian.com/main/blog/amirparvizforsecu...
VPK You were right about Israel being for Mek
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 06:00 PM PDTAnd ProIsrael groups causing this neocon policy of the usa.
Read this
As with the MEK's inner workings, questions also arise from its reported ties to Israel and its advocates. In 2006, the New Yorker's
Connie Bruck suggested that the verified MEK intelligence provided to
the US about Iran's Natanz nuclear site was given to them by the
Israelis:
//english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/...
Ayatoilet 1 mistakes
by Siavash300 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 02:31 PM PDT"I do blame the Pahlavi's for the revolution, " Ayatoilet1
NO, Stinky mullahs with lies, trick, deceptions created revolution. NOT pahlavi. Pahlavi and Mullahs were against each other. One caused revolution and the other one tried to stop the revolution. Very simple fact.
"I am an Iranian nationalist. Not affiliated with MEK or the Mullahs or the Mnarchists (the 3M's). I have a clear right not the be part of the 3M's" Ayatoilet 1
Putting "murder" with the "life saver" in the same category is injustice to the victim.
Nationalists should respect to Iran history which is intimitated with Padeshahi. No one can claim he/she is nationalist and show no repect for Iran history which had been monarchy for over 5000 years.
Ayatoilet Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:25 PM PDTThanks for the nice words. I am just saying my opinion nothing more. By the way I am not an RP supporter. He is way to weak and has not done jack to deserve power. In fact I think he is a great disappointment.
At the same time I do not think the charges against him hold water. I gave my reasons already for it. Others like Fair also added their reasons. Yes the war reinforced the IRI. I am sick to my heart of all that is going on. Not much else to add.
Meanwhile I live in America where the middle class is under attack. Day after day our lives get worse and we are more ***. Thanks to Obama now they want to "allow" people to work for free! Ironic a black man is reintroducing slavery.
Siavash-Jan - We are simply exposing the truth...
by ayatoilet1 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:30 AM PDTSiavash-Jan, I just wanted to reference the September 22nd date, and expose more truth about the most significant attack on Iran (in recent history). As Iranians we should honor the dead...just like in the U.S. there were moments of silence for 9/11 etc. Its is an honest attempt to expose the truth. And I agree with you, I should have referenced traitors like MEK, and some other facts....so if I write this again, I will add those texts.
If you look at my record on Iranian.com (which is easy) you will see a steady stream of comments about the MEK - and how they are traitors to Iran. And, I have also initiated a petition which was personally handed to several Senators (Carper and Coons - DE, where I work, where I personally know the Senators and have campaigned for them), asking that MEK NOT be delisted as a terrorist organization.
I did not expect a barrage of RPII supporters to attack the article. Quite honestly with the article being in English, I thought some comments about Jimmy Carter's or Ronald Reagan's role in the Iran-Iraq war...but NO, a bunch of RPII supporters started a barrage about whether or not RPII or his nokar Bakhtiar were involved in supporting Saddam Hussein. And then they called me a liar, they asked for my information sources etc. Which I duly provided, then they attacked the sources.
I am an Iranian nationalist. Not affiliated with MEK or the Mullahs or the Mnarchists (the 3M's). I have a clear right not the be part of the 3M's. In a democracy, there is absolutely a right for people to have their own views and if they want to form a new "group" or "party". I do plame the Pahlavi's for the revolution, and with all the additional information I recieved after writing this article there is no doubt in my mind that they contributed to Saddam's planning and execution of the invasion of Iran. The truth may hurt, but there are so many facts here ...its impossible to discount.
With all due respect to VPK (who I respect very much), I don't need VPK or anyone else to apologize for me or the truth. It is what it is. And I am stil trying to learn more about the details of the Iran-Iraq war. And above all, every single Iranian in my opinon should pay respect to the fallen during the war. It is clear now that the war did NOT weaken the Mullahs, but ended up reinforcing their regime and led to the rise of the IRGC, and delayed the rise of democracy in Iran. And as I have stated before I am NOT against the concept of a monarchy in Iran, but in my opinion the claim for the Peacock Throne is wide open and could go to any hero that makes a substantial contribution to freedom and democracy in Iran. I believe Royalty in Iran should be the guarantors of democracy and the rights of the people. The monarch must be a servant of all Iranians. RPII has left a lot to be desired to be able to make such a claim.
In the end, it will be up to the people of Iran. Iran is for Iranians.
Re: What is the purpose of this literature?
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Sep 18, 2011 08:53 AM PDTSiavash: the purpose is to trash the Pahlavi and anyone related to them. There is a group who still hates the Pahlavis. Most of them are traced back to 1953 and the coup. Many of them were Mossadegh supporters.
They are not necessarily bad people. Just blinded by hate. Unable to let go of the past. They want to make RP appear as bad as MEK. So as to justify their opposition to him. In their hearts at least some know they messed up big in 1979. But it is hard to live knowing that. So they want to deflect the blame. "It was RP's fault or it was Bakhtiyar". That way it makes it easier to live with themselves. While pretending their actions was not the main reason the nation got into this giant mess.
Human need for self deception is infinite. Just blame anyone except one self.
What is the purpose of this literature?
by Siavash300 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 08:26 AM PDTIs this literature trying to justify MEK as a tool for Saddam and substutitute those traitors with Bakhtiar and crown Reza Pahlavi? Don't even try my friend. it is just waste of time. Common sense will tell us who was traitor and who was standing by Iranians until the end.
No One is Bashing Anyone
by ayatoilet1 on Wed Sep 14, 2011 06:45 PM PDTThis is an effort to report on the truth behind the Iran - Iraq war.
Some comments have been bashing me as the writer and some sources because they don't want the truth out. But the more they bash, the more the truth is reinforced. The more sources come forward to corroborate the truth.
The truth will set us - Iranians - Free.
Agreed Fair
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Sep 14, 2011 01:19 PM PDTIt is too bad that people use any instance to trash others. It reminds me of people who use 911 to blame Clinton or Bush or whoever they hate. A tragedy is not a tool for beating up someone people do not happen to like.
Let people decide for themselves
by Fair on Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:20 PM PDTThe important thing is to get out all the information that is possible before it is lost, and let people decide for themselves. Here I provided a first hand account of a meeting between Dr Bakhtiar and senior Iraqi officials and Manouchehr Ghorbanifar the arms merchant. I don't see how that extrapolates to a large conspiracy in which Bakhtiar had daily intelligence briefings with Americans, or that RP was in on it. As VPK said, Bakhtiar is not alive to defend himself, there is no evidence whatsoever presented here so far that RP was implicated in any of this, and in any case, the US had plenty of information, much more up to date than any ex Imperial military officer could provide to furnish the Iraqis, and they did. So a 20 year old crown prince really had no value to provide to Iraqis or anyone. As far as insulting intelligence, if RP's offer was not genuine, it would have been very easy for Khomeini to expose it by accepting it, and see if he would actually come. The fact that Khomeini and his anti Iran regime didn't even want to take such a chance and rejected this (and others) offer speaks volumes.
Now if you don't mind, let's no longer deviate this discussion from its true essence- to remember all the innocent victims of 9/22, and to try all in our power to avoid another such calamity. Peace is a blessing, and worth preserving.
Ayatoilet
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Sep 14, 2011 08:05 AM PDTYou think what you want. I am not defending anything. Just don't buy any allegation that comes along. Specially from this Dr. Bahar. After seeing him in action I would not believe one word of what he said.
I know there are a lot of Pahlavi haters out there. But I am finished and done with this argument. Pahlavi haters go; dig up Bakhtiyar and hang him OK? Then go arrest RP and see where it gets you.
I am truly sick and tired of this argument. I already said there was no motive. Americans already had all the information. You tell me what did RP or Bakhtiyar know that USA did not already know? No more argument here from me.