Bavafa

Wow

Just logged in to IC and see this wonderful exchange. lol

R2-D2

 just laugh at it. That is all it deserves.  :)

Dear R2-D2: Appreciate your understanding

Sepas gozar

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Dear Bavafa

Thank you for your link - Didn't intend to clutter your blog :)

P.S. But I just couldn't resist when Mr. Kadivar (?????) tried to link me to this Mr. truthseeker that I have no idea who he is :)

Cheers !!

Dear Darius

Looking forward to your next blog ;)

P.S. Eagerly awaiting :) !

Dostan: please look at the link below

//iranian.com/main/blog/bavafa/blog-just-jabbing-each-other

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Yes we noticed you are the only one judging your own

'Fairness" and 'Balanced' anonymous assessments under multiple ID's ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nICUgpMYGbg

take care anonymous 'poet' ! 

Darius Kadivar

Unfortunately, noone has confronted you adequately regarding the B.S. that you publish on IC :) - Regarding how great the Pahlavis are etc. !

P.S. As I indicated to you in an earlier blog, I intend to do so :) - Fair and Balanced ;) !

R2-D2 Go Preach Elsewhere like on FB !

And keep your 'sincerity' for your Real Friends !

You are Not Mine ! 

And Keep my Father out of this conversation Beechareh ! 

Darius Kadivar

I sincerely hope that one of these days you grow up, and develop some sense of dignity and self-respect for yourself -

I love Persian Poetry, as you can see from my blogs, but unfortunately I am not a Poet :)

P.S. Like I said, I hope that you are well compensated by the Pahlavis for writing their praises everywhere - Have some respect for yourself - If not for your own sake, then for your father's :) !

Birds of a feather flock together even when 'passing through'

and you are a failed poet ! ...

Enjoy the Florida Sun ! 

Truthseeker9

This childish Monarchist thinks that you and I are the same people :)

Darius Kadivar

You're an idiot ;)

Yes I know R2 D2 ...

Oops but I guess I am violating your Privacy 2 ... Nevermind Passing Through ...

take care infamous poet ! 

DK

It was I who flagged your comment for invasion of privacy.  

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O Professor,

Good for you for writing using your real name! I am very impressed, O Professor! So does Seyyed Mohammad Marandi. So does Hossein Shariatmadari. So do any number of Islamist thugs with access to a keyboard. It's what you write that is pure, unadulterated Islamist rubbish, O Professor. Got that? I said "Islamist", not "Islamic" or "Muslim". Surely a scholar of your world renown knows the difference between "Islamist" and "Islamic"? Show me where I attack "Muslims". If you have any conception of standards of evidence, logic or simple decency, you would either show me the proof or you would take back what you say. Fat chance of that! And BTW, it is no "discovery" that you are a stateside propagandist for an Islamist ideology which is virulently and pathologically anti-American and which has promoted the kidnapping and murder of Americans and thousands of Iranians.

Mammad Your FULL NAME ? Really ?

Then How come You Were Troubled when I mentioned it ? Which prompt you to flag and demand it to be deleted ?

Oh Sure I bet your excuse is that it wasn't you who demanded it but some other Anonymous bloke or Shirin Ebadi groupie. How convenient ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PaliLAQT8k

Take Care Genius ! 

Amir1973

That I consider Mousavi and Karroubi the leaders of the democratic movement at this point in time is nothing new. It does not need your suggestion for being recorded for "future generations," nor is it a discovery that you can be proud of, or beat your chest for (which you apparently do!)

Unlike people like you who hide behind a bogus name, I have been writing about the subject, the democratic movement, the IRI crimes, etc. WITH MY FULL NAME for at least 10 years, and in particular over the past three years. Come out of your comfortable shelf in this website and check the PBS/Frontline/Tehran Bureau website to see my writings. In those articles your statement about Mousavi and the 1980s has been addressed in detail. See in particular, "Mousavi, Karroubi, and the Opposition in the Diaspora," posted there.

Shameless are people like you who hide behind a bogus name and attack anyone who disagrees with your unfounded claims, and your dictatorship of thoughts. At the very least, I put my neck out and write under my full name. That much cannot be said about people like you. I put up my track record against yours ANY MOMENT. All you have to do is expressing your willingness to make the comparison, which means only that you leave your bogus name and come out with your full name.

I am sick and tired of "democracy lovers" like you who, in the name of democracy, constantly demonize Muslims and Islam, and without having anything useful to say, only attack people like me. You and people like you do not believe in democracy. You only believe in your own type of dictatorship, one that, if it ever comes to power, makes the IRI look good. The best evidence for it is your constant attacks on Muslims and Islam. You and people like you are not, contrary to your loud claims, true seculars. A true secular only wants religion out of governance (as I do), but accepts it as a private matter. You, on the other hand, constantly attack Muslims and Islam all the time.

The time that "wonders" like you can attack me because of my religion and faith is up. Bring on your track record you "democracy lover."

And, who is your leader, "democracy lover?"

Mammad

Cousin Farmarz, Thanks for your wise and balance view

I agree completely, specially with your last paragraph.

On other thing that worries me is that such move by US, give the thugs in Sepah and Basij just that excuse to kill even more of the opposition all in the name of MEK.

Amir agha, thanks for explaining, I now see the point in your question and I hope I addressed it from my point of view.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Bavafa and Mammad,

The Face of the Opposition

Cousin Mehrdad

Thanks for your blog and here is my take on this topic.

MEK is a cult like Hare Krishna, but violent, who are willing to support their mustached men and scarved women through their contributions and set up shop at the airports and try to generate sympathy for their cause.

Then you have some US public figures, current and former, who are willing to forgive the American blood that was shed by MEK in Iran back in the 70’s for a speaking fee of $25,000 or more like Giuliani, Wesley Clark or the ex- attorney general Mukasey. But that’s fine. That’s their prerogative.

What I am not sure about is how this bunch of old men and women (MEK) are going to help the Iranians rid themselves of the Regime. I believe that it is going to be a distraction.

We already have a national symbol for our opposition and that’s Neda Soltani, the Greens on the streets and all those political prisoners in Evin.

I hate to see that the picture gets distorted by Maryam Rajavi.

Mehrdad, - Can or should

Mehrdad,

- Can or should Iranians forgive/forget MEK treason to the mother land?

Once the current heads who colluted with Saddam, killed Iranians, Kurds, S. Iraqis and tortured/killed their own members are purged and replaced, then we can talk about forgiveness.

- In light of their past and present history can Iranians trust this group to join the opposition?

Due to their past, the foot-soldiers should be assimilated back into the society, but like the sign I saw in the Ma/Pa store regarding credit: In god we trust, but you pay cash, i.e., they should be watched until the brain-washing effects are diminished. 

- What is the goal of aligning with this group and what is it expected to be achieved by this group?

Right now, the purpose of MEK is to be popped up as a democratic group opposing IRI, but once the gates of Ashraf are opened, I do not see much of a military faction remaining, since up to 70% have been prisoned there under false recruiting practices according to the Rand Report (page 18). 

- What are the consequences of US/MEK alignment for Iranian people and the opposition groups to IRI?

If the military faction in Ashraf remains, they will be forced (my guess) to go into Iran as a "democratic front".  If Ashraf gates are opened, and the members are given a choice, so goes the interest of the neocons.

Amir Agha, I fail to see the relevancy to this discussion

However to answer your question, there are many opposition groups that have been singing the tune of democracy, some practicing it more then others. MEK is certainly not one of those but RP leads the monarchist opposition group who theoretically believes in democracy, the [original] JM and a few other credible opposition group have proven their commitment to a democratic and secular future of Iran . Mousavi and Kahrobi seem to have aligned themselves with the green movement which in my opinion is one of the most credible one, primary because it is a grass root, they are in Iran and has great deal of folks that were willing to come on to the streets and risk their lives.

Is Mousavi or Kahrobi their leader, I don't know nor I think they have earned it. Folks like Nasrin Setodeh, Shrin Ebadi or many others currently serving in IRI prison have shown far more with their deed then their words that can lead such movement.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

At this point in time

they are, unless and until a better alternative emerges.

Mammad

Is it congress or just one congressman?

I am not sure its congress ...but if you know something I don't, please provide the link. Its very hard to imagine the MKO in charge of anything. I just can't accept that. I don't think 70 million Iranians will accept that. They are psychologically deranged. Seriously, they have "issues".

Question re: "the true democratic opposition"

Question: Are the leaders of the "the true democratic opposition" Mousavi, Karroubi, Khatami et al.?

Mehrdad

Here are my answers:

1. No, not at this time. If Iran ever becomes a democracy, then in the framework of a national reconciliation the issue can be considered, but not now.

2. Absolutely, positively, 100 percent no. Their history is simply too clear about why they cannot be trusted.

3. I did not understand whose alignment with MEK you mean. But, if you mean us Iranians, there is none, and there should not be one. If you mean US/Israel/Saudi Arabia, it is clear why.

4. Possibly war; more spying on Iran; terrible damage to the democratic movement, and possibly attempts at silencing the true democratic opposition.

Mammad

Ayatoilet1: As much as I would have liked that approach

I think it is more a fairy tale. They are not on terrorist list in EU and there will not be any issues if they were to provide them asylum. Likewise, how does Maryam and other leadership live in EU without any impunity of being the leader of a terrorist list.

Lastly just as Ari said, there would not have been any need for the rosy speech by the US politicians who I suspect will have to answer at some point for their support of terrorist group if they want to remain in political theater.

But for the sake of those who seem to be between a rock and a hard place in camp Ashraf, I hope some humanitarian assistance will be provided to them and hopefully they can return to a normal life.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

ayatoilet1

I really, really hope you are right. But why can't this happen without US congressmen promoting Maryam Rajavi as Iran's president? This argues against the innocent reason that you give.

Its about Recruitment and closing down the camp

I am beginging to understand / analyze why this has come up as an issue now.

Here's my two cents on this. I think there is a technical issue with getting these guys out of the Camp in Iraq. Right now if they fill out a visa application form for anywhere, they are strictly under the letter of the law "terrorists"...i.e. they belong to a terrorist orgnaisation. They literally can not move, because of this. If one of them defects, rejects the ideology, and applies for political asylum that rules are different, but the 3000 or so people in Iraq are trapped by immigration rules. By delisting them, many states can then give them a home without neccessarily providing asylum. So they are going to delist them for a short period, long enough to move them somewhere else. And I think spread them out arround the world in different places...At the same time, they can actually also recruit them for various military related tasks that are likely to emerge vis a vis Iran. Again without the terrorist designation, they can bring them into different jobs without restrictions. Right now they (agencies in US, and Europe) all need translators, and more foot soldiers on the ground inside Iran. Taking the MKO/PMOI/MEK off the list is about recruitment and shutting down camp Ashraf. Its very simple.

Having said all thati, there is no question they are terrorists, there is no question they are not popular in Iran, there is no question they are undemocratic, there is no question their leadership has a sordid and dirty history ... and there is no question that they partnered with Saddam Hussein to kill Iranians and Kurds. They are and will always be traitors to Iran.