People have risked and lost their lives. We sit here and wish and throw our support. But, I am extremely apprehensive about all this. I pray that this movement is not silenced and put down by simply re-counting the votes or even re-doing the election. It will be the waste of every drop of blood and heart break of lost lives to settle for a different face of oppression. People have risen for freedom, for democracy and for human rights. It would be a total disaster if such expression of cry for freedom is lost for a soft spoken theocracy.
Those illusionists who think a secular democracy eventually will emerge from a soft-spoken theocracy are hallucinating. There is no such a thing as “democratic theocracy”. It is absolute nonsense. Therefore, to assume Iranian have succeeded if Mousavi is declared president is the greatest misconception in history.
I believe this movement will continue until a democratic government takes hold. The core of any democracy is separation of church and state. Therefore, this movement will succeed to abolish the sharia law and Velayate vaghih. My only concern is when would someone (or a group) emerge as the leader to funnel the momentum of the masses in the right direction. I feel confident that there are many young brave heros in Iran that will eventually emerge. We all need to keep an open eye for them and support them with all our beings.
There was a blog on this site by Mr. David ET (NIAC) casting votes about how US should behave with regard to current events in Iran. I believe United States should stay completely out of it at this stage of the development. If demonstrations continued and faced increasing beatings, arrests, imprisonment and murder, then US (and the rest of the world for that matter) should protest violation of human rights. However, if Iranian youth continued to stand up for freedom and willingly risked their lives and faced mass murder of the IRI, then US along with every living soul on earth should intervene and save the lives of freedom fighters.
Again, I only hope someone will soon emerge to lead our nation out of the grip of theocracy.
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Leadership will emerge as
by capt_ayhab on Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:20 AM PDTLeadership will emerge as the strugle continues. It is evolution that people who have the leadership qualities will show their inner abilities, and people will follow them by their gutt feelings.
Time will tell if this energy can keep up.
Payandeh tamame javanane Iran, zan. mard, pir javoun...
-YT
Leadership
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:44 AM PDTWhen people brace for freedom, they will form an appropriate leadership in the process of their freedom struggles . In the course of history, many freedom movements emerged spontaneously and then in the process of develoment could form their leaders from their best pionees. Regime's crackdowns in such a case cannot prevent this formation.
Friends,
by Bijan A M on Fri Jun 19, 2009 07:46 AM PDTI don’t want to sound too naïve to hope for a “true” democracy immediately following this uprising. I am extremely excited because I see these braveries and outpouring of emotions as a movement more against the establishment and the rule of velayate-vaghih than support of Mousavi. This is what gives me hope that with emergence of leaders, the time could be near to see the demise of IRI (in any form or shape). Unfortunately I am not informed enough to know anything about any organized group that advocates, educates and promotes formation of a secular democratic government in Iran. If such group exists, they should feel really energized and start leading the millions who have been willing to risk their lives for that ideal.
A mullah filled with hate and in exile could shake up the most powerful dynasty in the Middle East by capitalizing on people’s frustration with the regime. Therefore the conditions are ripe to oust IRI and claim what people revolted for 30 years ago.
Samsam jan: I have always admired your passion and love of Iran. I agree that culturally there is a very long road ahead (many generations, possibly centuries) and I am not even sure if we will ever get there. Using your terms, ommati, is part of the fabric of our society but that should not stop democracy. I am a little more upbeat about what is happening, people have taken more than the 1st step (IMHO).
Dear Ali P.: Thanks. I never meant to imply a single individual to lead, but rather democracy loving leaders with the ability to direct the tremendous energy that’s in the air to establish the rule of democratic laws. Young people with the demeanor you have demonstrated on this site.
Dear Mr. Gilani: I agree with your statements. I am only concerned about the risk of complacency that a partial win would bring. Some active movement should come out of this to keep the momentum alive.
Dear kl: Thanks for the link. It is a worthwhile read. I encourage everyone to take a look.
khamenie is salivating to
by moo (not verified) on Fri Jun 19, 2009 02:45 AM PDTkhamenie is salivating to spill the blood of Iranian in his Friday speech. He is a sick man.
Alborzi
by Iraniandudeee on Fri Jun 19, 2009 01:54 AM PDTThe only dilusional one here is you. Not all of us left 30 years ago. I myself left with my parents 10 years ago, and it wasn't my choice either.
Good Points
by Darius Kadivar on Fri Jun 19, 2009 01:32 AM PDTAgreed !
DK
URGENT
by kl; (not verified) on Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:37 PM PDTNeed for blood.
//www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/18/11550/4910...
To Mort Gilani
by mahmoudg on Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:36 PM PDTI certainly hope that I am wrong and you are right, but don't see it yet. Time will only tell.......
What is wrong with Iranians
by Alborzi (not verified) on Thu Jun 18, 2009 09:14 PM PDTIts actually very painful to notice. The Iranians abroad are not disqualified because they have become too much like their foreign host. No in fact even the Iranians in Iran are doing things like the foreigners. The problem is that the immigrants take a snap shot of what Iran was like at the time they left Iran and they assume thats the way its supposed to be, anything else is because of IRI. In fact in my last trip to Iran, Iran and Iranians, have changed so much. Even the Ahmadinejad supporters are not like what I had expected. Things have changed and only the people in Iran are truly Iranians, others are just delusional.
Hat off to Big B !
by Ali P. on Thu Jun 18, 2009 08:15 PM PDTBijan A M:
First of all, you have come out of this, smelling like a rose:
by Bijan A M on Sun May 24, 2009 10:56 PM PDT
As much as I dislike my own prediction, I think Ahmadinejad will win by a wide margin(50%+).
//iranian.com/main/blog/ali-p/lets-make-it-interesting
So as far as I am concerned, you, my friend, are the authority :-)
As far as the need for a leader is felt for the recent movement, from what I see, it is less and less about any individual, and more and more about democracy. I just hope I am not substituting what I would like to see, for what there actually is, like many Iranians do.
To Mahmudg
by Mort Gilani on Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:40 PM PDTIf Mousavi manages to force a re-election, that would be a plus for the movement because as a nation we have hardly felt any victory in the past 30 years. A regime setback on re-election could give the people the self confidence for higher goals.
I agree
by mahmoudg on Thu Jun 18, 2009 07:51 PM PDTWithout some one emerging to lead, this thing will fizzle out and IF (a big IF) there is a recount and Moussavi wins. SO WHAT!!!!! Big F...... deal. it will be the same bowl and the same ash. This thing either needs a leader OR that people continue to pour into the streets by the 100s of thousands, conduct a civil disobedience, stop going to work, etc, etc which will then egg the authorities to resort to violence to force the marches to end. I do not see a pretty picture either way. If it fizzles out, we are back to square one. If it continues, even if in a peaceful manner, the regime will resort to violence. At which point the Americans will have no choice but to meddle.
Folks are wise, they will figure it out in due time
by SamSamIIII on Thu Jun 18, 2009 07:44 PM PDTLeave it to them . For now they will ride this ommatie donkey until the next hill & later (days or months ?)they will discard the sell outs and re-shuffle . The important thing is that there seems to be 1st rays of hope(culturaly) are being seen and there is no going back .We have 2 choices ,either give up every thing here and go back to fight or if not possible continue assisting them to get their voices out & remove the 30 yrs old shadow of mis-info & darkness from their daily lives . Culturaly they have a long way to go but they have taken the 1st step and thats the start .
Cheers Bijan !!!
//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/
//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia
We Need a Secular Young Leader from Iran
by Mort Gilani on Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:43 PM PDTBijan,
I agree that leadership is the most important challenge for the movement, but I am also worried that people will give up on mass protests. Without massive protests, the regime can easily suppress the voice of the movement.
Do you have a real name?
by Bijan A M on Thu Jun 18, 2009 06:02 PM PDTSon, you don't qualify because you, like me have not lived in Iran to have any credibility to have followers.
Just keep supporting the cause.
I'll
by Iraniandudeee on Thu Jun 18, 2009 05:28 PM PDTLead the people