Capt Ayhab

Captain Ayhab

A responsible and thought provoking blog, as usual. My experience with bigotry is that it is not easily susceptible to persuasion and change. Sometimes it's better to save your energy and breath and to move on to issues which are easier to change and affect. You should also remember that sometimes acting responsibly might mean that you ignore what would otherwise appall you, for sometimes open announcements of bigotry and hate are just a way to get attention, in which case dramatic reactions only embolden the culprits to seek more attention through repeat offenses. My two cents. 

Captain

This bigotry has been in existence for quite some time now. Just look at many of these blogs prior to this BS election, where Baha'is Jews, and Zoroastrians are villified. Even worse, these thoughts are somehow justified and supported by many.

These latest examples you mention are merely two more fleas on the same old stinking dog.

Right on Captian, dastmarizaa.

Sorry, gotta go now my class is staring and korrehaa are hungry for knowledge.

What's ethnicity?

According to what one of the commentators said, “Ethnicity isn't race; it can easily be changed if the person chooses to do so.”  (Bolding of texts is done by me)

According to the dictionary; Ethnicity is an ethnic character, background, or affiliation.  And, Ethnic itself is: of, relating to, or characteristic of a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.  So, what the commentator is saying is that people can easily change their race (even though he is saying race is not ethnicity), their nationality, religion, language, and cultural heritage!  That’s just amazing!

The most diverse country on the planet is the USA, the most prosperous county, yet according to the commentator this country is “…ready to explode into pieces” because of its ethnic diversity, not because of other problems such as economy.  According to the commentator to prevert this explosion from happening the Chinese-Americans can easily (voluntarily according to a new law) change their religion, let’s say, from Buddhism to Catholicism.  Or, the Italian-Americans can easily stop eating pizza, better yet the entire country can easily stop eating pizza, and start eating something more American, let’s say Kentucky Fried Chicken.  I don’t know, let’s say, the German-Americans can easily stop listening to Beethoven and start listening to Country Music!  Or, keep on doing those things after they voluntarily, according to a new law of course, change their ethnicity.

In my family we have married to the people from Shomal, Azerbaijan, Isfahan, Talaghan, and I don't know where else in Iran, as well as other people from other parts of the world, but according to the commentator my family, and the rest of the country, is ready to explode into pieces because of ethnicity!  So, what we should do is to ask the other people, I don’t know which ones, to voluntarily change their ethnicity, i.e. change their race, nationality, religion, language, and culture, according to a new law.  That's just amazing!

Here's a edited version of what I was implying first

First of all, I think you should open your eyes (You do have eyes right?) and truly read my article carefully before writing some crap and trying to put words into my mouth.

     I never ever said I want other ethnic groups to be forced into the "Persian" category, or converted by force into the Persian ethnic group, all I said was that I believe a law should be passed on that clearly mentions if someone wants to convert and be considered as part of the Persian people, that they can and should, BY CHOICE, cause let's be realistic for a sec... Majority of Iranians no matter what background they're from, consider theirself as Persians, meaning they speak persian, have Persian names, eat persian food, celeberate Persian holidays (Nowruz), and most important thing of all is that, again, they consider theirself as part of the persian ethnic group or family.

 Further more, I DON'T, AGIAN, DON'T agree with the idealogy of "Freedom fighter Iran" or the thought of a "racially pure" Persian/Iranian people like Mr. "Freedom fighter Iran" (he has his opinions, and I have mine) because Persian is not a race, it's an ethnicity, a culture, nationality and a language. Most Persians either come in white, or middle-eastern looking people, and even some in Asian (Ethnic Persians in Afghanistan like the hazaras), so it can't be considered as a race, but an ethnicity (Learn the difference bewteen ethnicity and race).

    One more thing, You talk about unity, yet you don't realize that diversity (In a ethnic sense) truly means division/divided. Now how do you expect us to be a "Utopia" when we have millions upon millions of people trying to divide Iran, not only from the inside, but also from the outside? Open your eyes and realize that we will only become weaker and more divided by a federal Iran, then we'll be defenseless, against the Pan-turks, Arabs, Afghans, and foreign baluchi seperatists. 

Realize that as long as Iran is this ethnically divided, that you can't expect everyone to have the same agendas or goal for Iran or the Iranian people.

 We should take advantage of our situation, which is that most iranians no matter what background they're from, consider theirself Persian, and would love to be considered into the Persian ethnic group. Ihis is why i believe we need to pass a law of convertion by will, not forced convertion (the people should choose if they want to convert and be considered into the Persian ethnic group and family). We need to do this while we can, cause maybe in a generation or two, this Persification process that the pahlavi dynasty (Shah) encouraged on the ethnic minority might fade away.

 We need all Iranians/Persians united under the same idealogy, mentality, culture, goal, agenda, and especially under the same banner of flag, which is Iranian/Persian nationalism, that is, if we truly want to see Iran progress and go back to it's advanced thinking and progressive form of state.

 When this law does pass, it will bring the Iranian people closer, and unite them even more.

 And as for your "Us having human rights during the Persian empire", well, we're not in the Persian empire anymore, now are we? All we are is a small country, and in these hostile times, you can't let yur guard down.... Protect what you still have. A FEDERAL Iran will last for maybe about 50, 100 years top, a Nationalistic/democratic/secular united Iran will live on for another 3000 year or more.

Vote for a NATIONALISTIC/DEMOCRATIC?SECULAR IRAN...... :)

That is all.

P.s, I believe we should first kick out the mullahs then discuss this further, don't you? LOL

Ay-hab, I think you're beginning to realize what I'm trying to s

Majority of the iranics in iran would want to convert.... A, because they're pretty much persian sub-groups, who speak a Persian-dialect.... And B. their culture, customs, holidays that they celebrate are pretty much Persian.... the only Iranics who aren't persified in majority, are the Kurds, and that's because most live in mountainous isolated regions, and it's very hard to spread influence to those undeveloped parts.

 As for Azeris, they are one of the biggest persian/Iranian nationalists I have ever met. every single azeri I have met has considered himself as a Persian. I myself have Azeri relatives. Most Azeris without a doubt would convert...

I suggest the one's that don't (Depends on how much don't) should be given their own land depending on how much did not convert, for example.... let's say 11% of Azeris did not convert, we give them 11% of Azerbeyjan and let them be independent, of cource, this is if it ever comes to this..... But let's say 30 or 40% don't convert, then we can't afford to lose that much land, so we just let them be a part of Iran, but we would still take steps closer into truly unifying Iran by converting that 60%. In the end, we win alot, and lose nothing.

Capt ay-hab, again!

    Read carefully.... My comment clearly mentions that I want the people to convert on their own will, and NOT FORCE.... Get that through your thick skull please.

 I do believe that a multi-ethnic state will not last long (no divided or multi-ethnic society has lasted long)... This law, for the most part, will only bring positive results to Iran than negative. It will bring Iran closer to it's goal, which is a fully unified Iran democratic, nationalistic (I say nationalist cause the people want a nationalistic government), and secular Iran that shares the same goal, ideology, mentality, and banner of flag... Which is Iranian/Persian nationalism for Iran. 

 No diverse country has lasted, and the one's that do, are ready to explode into peices.

 P.s, ther's a huge difference bewteen a multi-cultural country (Which I'm for) and a multi-ethnic country (I'm against), cause even Persians have different culture and customs depending on what part of the world they're from.... And seeing how almost all iranians (No matter the background) share the same culture, customs, and even tradtions that is not harmful to anything that iran stands for, then I don't see any problem with a multi-cultural society... Though I'm very against a multi-ethnic society cause it will simpley not work. Let everyone keep their culture, but let's also let everyone who wants to be included into the Persian group, do so on their own will... Again, by their own choice, not force.

Ethnicity isn't race, it can easily be chnaged if the person chooses to do so.

Mr. Iraniandudeee

In the quote I copied from you, you are propagating [ASSIMILATION] and [CONVERSION] of all ethnic groups in to what you call Persians.

My question is, how do you propose CONVERTING an Iranian KURD, an Iranian Lur[not to mention that they are true Persian], and an Iranian Azari?

What would be your methodology in this so called CONVERSION? And what would be your plan B in case they did not want to convert? As an Iranian Turk[Azari] I sure do not want to convert.

-YT 

Salar Ebi

Dude we have missed you tons bekhoda, if it wasn't for your lovely emails I would have thought you did not like us any longer.

Thanks for stopping by refigh ;-)

-YT 

Mr. Iraniandudeee

right here:

//iranian.com/main/blog/iraniandudeee/ira...

by Iraniandudeee on Sun Jul 26, 2009 08:30 PM PDT

QUOTE:

P.s, I'm NOT against a multicultural Iran, what I'm against is a useless multi ethnic state. As long we are so ethnically divided, then you cannot in anyways expect everyone to have the same agenda or goals for Iran.

I believe in assimilation and convertion since most Iranians no matter what background they're from, consider theirself Persian.

I believe a law should be passed out, and any ethnic group should choose if they either want to be considered as Persians or not... and
it should be up to them.

END QUOTE

Those are your words sir aren't they? You have eyes and you can read what you wrote can't you?

-YT 

P/S Mr. Iraniandudee, I need for you to know that by no mean I have any ill toward you, unlike you who seemingly have severe case of deeply rooted hatred of any none Persians[as you put it]. My blog is directed to your racist ideology and not at your person.

کاپیتان جان سلام

Well said.

As you said,none of their claims has any academic/historic...validity.

United we stand,divided we fall.

Sepaas

Ebi aka Haaji

Racism? Read capt-ayhab

First of all, I think you should open your eyes (You do have eyes right) and truly read my article carefully before writing some crap and trying to put words into my mouth.

 I never said I want other ethnic groups to be forced into the "Persian" category, or converted by force, all I said was that I believe a law should be passed on that clearly mentions if someone wants to convert and be considered as part of the Persian people, that they can and should by choice, because let's be realistic for a sec, majority of Iranians no matter what background they're from consider theirsel as Persians, speak persian, have Persian names, eat persian food, celeberate Persian holidays (Nowruz), and most important thing of all is that, again, they consider theirself as part of the persian group or family.

 Further more, I don't agree with the mentality or the thought of a "racially pure" Persian or Iranian people like Mr. "Freedom fighter iran" (hes has his opinions, and I have mine), because Persian is not a race, it's an ethnicity, a culture, nationality and a language. Most Persians either come in white, or middle-eastern looking, and even some in Asian (Ethnic Persians in Afghanistan like the hazaras), so it can't be considered as a race, but an ethncity (Learn the difference bewteen ethnicity and race).

    One more thing, You talk about unity, yet you don't realize that diversity (In a ethnic sense) truly means division/divided. Now how do you expect us to be a "Utopia" when we have millions upon millions of people trying to divide Iran, not only from the inside, but also fromthe outside?

Realize that as long as Iran is this ethnically divided, that you can't expect everyone to have the same agendas or goal for Iran or the Iranian people.

 We should take advantage of our situation, which is that most iranians no matter what background they're from, consider theirself Persian, and would love to be considered intot he Persian group, this is why i believe we need to pass a law of convertion by will, not force. We need to do this while we can, cause maybe in a generation or two, this Persification that the shah did on the ethnic minority might fade away.

 We need all Iranians/Persians united under the same idealogy, mentality, culture, goal, agenda, and under the same banner of flag, which is Iranian/Persian nationalism, if we truly want to see Iran progress and go back to it's advanced thinking and progressive form of state.

 This is all.

Racism and bigotry are born

Racism and bigotry are born of FEAR, and ignorance to a lesser degree of course.  Fear of that which you do not know or understand.  Education is and will always be the key to a unified world. 

Captain, I was just teasing you a little about naming individuals.  :-)

But you're right about one thing.  Those that decry racism and hatred are sometimes among the worst themselves.  They are simply blind to that fact!  We often don't recognize in ourselves those faults that we blame others for. 

But we're proving every day what kind of changes we CAN make. 

These are the extreme cases

Of those who promote hate on this site.

That could be anti Muslims, anti Arabs, Anti this or anti that.

The next step always leads to anger and hate groups. These kinds of racist ideas appeal to those who like to blame problems of a country/nation on one thing alone. They lack any proper analysis, historical facts and social movements but instead rely on sensationalism, angry emotions and desperation.

Thanks for the post.

P/S

Che khabar e jan, 

Allow me to compliment you on what you said[ While the recent situation HAS brought out the worst of the worst, isn't it also our greatest pride that it has brought out the best of
the best?  These incredible brave men and women who are putting their lives and futures at risk.  And why?  For the lives and freedom of a future Iran!!!!!!   They are doing it without hate and prejudice.  Why
can't we!]

How can I add to this comment, except to admire it. Beautifuly said.

-YT 

Captain

Your blog has a very good point.I also agree with che khabar. Lets not forget that though we have to confront separatists and racists who in their ignorance will cause harm to Iran, the biggest harm has come to Iran through IRI supporters and those who have blindly supported Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the point where all the blood in Iran doesn't seem to be able to get rid of the beast. I am glad to see Fozul's stereo approval of your blog.Now if only she could also stop her support of those who support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on this site!

che khabar e Jan

This is, just in case you missed the jest of the thread,  a direct rebuttal of the blogs written by those two gentleman.

They are named here for the specific purpose of direct engagement of the subject if they chose to do so. That is the difference my dear.

And as you said, I do hope and wish that this becomes WHO is WHO of bigotry and racism by having them participate in the thread. Sad fact is though some are so deep in the hate and bigotry that they might not accept how hateful they are. 

-YT 

Captain jaan

I couldn't agree more with your assessment.  However, to refer to your comment to me on another blog (and possibly to expand on it), are you not naming a few specific individuals who are not participating on this blog?  :-) And are there not many others whose "interactions" with other Iranians has been just as rude or vulgar?  I'm just saying that this article might have sounded a little more "virtual" if you had either named no one in particular or allowed that there are many many other offensive commentors.  I can see this quickly becoming a "who's who" of racism and bigotry.  :-)

But can I also make a positive observation as well?  While the recent situation HAS brought out the worst of the worst, isn't it also our greatest pride that it has brought out the best of the best?  These incredible brave men and women who are putting their lives and futures at risk.  And why?  For the lives and freedom of a future Iran!!!!!!   They are doing it without hate and prejudice.  Why can't we!

sepas

IRANdokht Jan

Racism is a disease of heart and soul that comes form total and absolute ignorance and stupidity. What is more sickening is that they ever so shamelessly disguise it under names as patriotism, nationalism and even democracy.

-YT 

P/S I will order one for you looooool 

جانا سخن از زبان ما میگویی

I agree with you Captain. Bigotry's been alive and well and unfortunately even encouraged. I am sick of it. 

As Anahid said it so well, it's time to unite for freedom, equality and human rights in Iran.

Thanks for a great and timely blog Capt'n

IRANdokht

PS: do you happen to have that bumper sticker? I'd like to buy it :o)

Ms. Anahid

Dear Anahid

I by no means am asking that these characters be baned or even censored.  Even though I personally[so to speak] am subject of most of those racial ugliness by freedom fighter of Iran[disgrace to the name], on the count of being IRANIAN Azari I do firmly believe in freedom of speech, no matter how ugly and nauseating it gets.

As a matter of fact people like these characters, or the ones who see their lifelong goal in demonizing Muslim, show us decent people the true value of liberty and equality.

I  wish that there was a vaccine against this ugly and despicable disease called racism. We can only be thankful that our society is civilized enough that these people are hidden from the views and are hiding behind their computers.

Respectfully

-YT 

capt_ayhab, thanks for exposing racism

Dear capt_ayhab, thanks for writing this blog.  I am sick and tired of those killing our youth in Iran and also those who sit in Diaspora and rather than doing something for cause of freedom, democracy and equality in Iran, they write racist blogs.  Then if we object, they probably say:"Everyone is free to write what they want." 

Dear capt_ayhab, let me add my voice to yours that Freedom Fighter and other racists like him, do not speak for Iranian.com writers and even if some people add their comments here and write:"everyone is free to spew whatever ugly thing they want,", I am still going to say that in new Iran, there wil be no room for racism. 

Fouzul Bashi

Regretfully you are so right. It has become fashionable to hate Islam, Baha'i's, right wing, left wing and you name it. For some people it is easier to hate than to love.

I appreciate all the kind words and thanks for taking time in reading it.

Regards

-YT 

This is a very nice blog

The racist tone seen on this site is very alarming. I don't think the "persian purity" type is the only one, but lately it seems they're the ones dominating the blogs and comments sections.

It was very nice of you to take the time and write against hate and bigotry. 

Well done Sir!