Capt Ayhab

marhoum-e aziz

a very happpy norooz to you too, la'nati!

Captain khan: thank you and wish you great Norooz :)

Peace

Ms. Parsi, Mr. Fair

It is so refreshing to see two intelligent people conduct a civilized and well reasoned dialogue while in total disagreement.

Thank you both.

-YT 

Marhoum Jan

Do you realize that you are missed refigh?

Good to see your writings again dada and have a great weekend.

Fadat and Noe Ruzet pirooz

-YT 

not a "Kiaani" way of thinking!

Ayhab jaan, looking forward is a good idea, but it is not a "kiaani" way of thinking! We "have" to look at our Shahanshahs, they were "perfect"!  Also who says we can't decide for Iranians while having a six pack (in your case a 24 pack) with a few bowls of peanut and chips and some good prosciutto di parma!

you and the other la'nati (Niloufar Parsi) have a good norooz.

Fair

I agree with both your points (except the last part about baghdad). khomeini was a charlatan as far as i am concerned. but millions of iranains adored the fool, and many still do. many of them are young people.

my comments about the situation are not related to my own preferences, but i imagine i am being objective :) 

Peace

NP

Yes, those who fought for Iran at any time in history against any of Iran's enemies were heroes.

Have I ever said otherwise?

And now that you bring this up, I would gladly like to point out yet another traitor who also betrayed Iran- and that is the Ayatollah Khomeini- who

1)irresponsibly left Iran undefended while threatening all regimes in the region with overthrow, and

2)insisted on continuing the war past 1982, when Iran had decisively defeated Iraq in Khorramshahr, and could have had peace on strong terms.  This decision was with no regard for Iranian live or property or interests whatsoever, and included no plan whatsoever to achieve the objective of taking Baghdad, other than "emdadhaye gheibi".

And so, Miss NP, that is how so many of our heroes died and were betrayed.  And you know what?  Years after this scum Khomeini is rotting under ground, Iran is still alive, and the youth of Iran are still being heroes, and the spirit of Iran is continuing and outlasting him and every other traitor to Iran there is.

And that was my point.

-Fair

Ahyab

Thanks for the clarification. You might want to re-edit your blog in order to avoid misunderstanding of your intended message.

IRI cyber groupie and rapist enthusiast, No Fear

You have to chuckle at a cancerous tumor living in the West who sings the praises of a piddling, poor Third World regime of cutthroats, assassins, and executioners (while criticizing those Iranians opposed to the killers--LOOLLL), but who would never in a million years bother to actually live under that garbage regime. What a low form of life is this? Why don't you get lost and metastasize back to the IRI?

IRI's "elections" are a sham for the following previously stated reasons:

-The Leader of the country is not popularly elected. 

-The only person who can become the Leader is an "akhoond" chosen by a group of other "akhoonds".

-In 31 years, there have been 2 Leaders. To date and in practice, being Leader means being Leader for life. 

-Anyone who opposes the Leader and the principle of the Leader cannot stand for "election".

Reply to Niloufar Parsi

but let's also acknowledge that the man was in the heart of shiism next door

Khomeini was in Iraq for over a decade but spent the crucial months of the Revolution in Neuphle-le-Chateau, where he had about as much access to Western media as any human being can hope for. Moreover, his three top advisors during those crucial months in France were: Ebrahim Yazdi (expat in U.S.), Qotbzadeh (expat in U.S.), and Bani Sadr (expat in U.S.). Numerous revolutionaries, e.g. Velayati, Massoumeh Ebtekar, Mostafa Chamran, etc also were expats in the U.S. Isn't it so?

iranians visited by the millions regularly

Do you have any evidence to back your claim that millions of Iranians visited Emam-e Aziz while he was living in Iraq and developing his rancid political "philosophy" (which basically states that his class of people, i.e. the clerics, have the right to rule--now that's what I call a philosophy!)

your second one is simply missing the point. they were still heros 

Okay, they were heroes. But you missed my point. Namely, that certain so-called "progressives" like to heap scorn on the Great Satan and Little Satan for the war but don't have much to say against Khomeini's role in it. Why is that?

Iranian diaspora is " Nokhodi ". Does not count.

You are simply Nobody if you don't vote.

For 30 years you have followed a bankrupted approached to whine and nag about the situation in Iran. Yes ... you heard me....you are a pathetic whiner. Look at your miserable group. No one seems to agree on any point. You are poorly represented and lack leadership and cohesiveness. You don't even practice the values that you preach among yourselves. As i said.... Pathetic.

Have you seen an debate between two person on the Iranian diaspora's TV outside Iran?  It is nasty. Name calling and the use of profanities are a normal method of how this group communicates among themselves and with others.

And yet they what to teach us about culture and democracy.... how pathetic.

How dare they talk about "our" culture when they only represent the cheapest form of pop culture aboard. Again ... its pathetic.

Their only hope?

Try to get foreign powers to meddle in Iran and represent them!

And my advice to the Iranian diaspora.... Carry on and continue the same method as before. Do not participate in any voting and cast yourselves out. Go and play in california's sun.

You are the best opposition that we can wish for.

You are pathetic.

AO

yes i do condemn russian atrocities in afghanistan wholeheartedly. the russians are dangerous to iran's security too. they need to be checked, and this is one of the reasons i support iranian rapprochement with the west without a regime change precondition for iran.

Niloufar

Actually, I am not calling anyone ancient history.  I am pointing out the fact that you do!

So, what about the million Afghans who lost their lives at the hands of the Russians who occupied their country and carpet bombed their villages?  Are they ancient history?  Note: you have yet to condemn that crime against humanity in your "analysis". :-))

PS/ No offense.  I hope that I am not causing one either.  We're just talking.  No hard feelings. :-)) 

AMIR1973

your first point is a good one, but let's also acknowledge that the man was in the heart of shiism next door. iranians visited by the millions regularly, and he was basically in the heart of the network of mosques.

your second one is simply missing the point. they were still heros.

Anonymous Observor

nice try, but i think you are mixing contexts rather unfairly. do i really have to go through the details of previous debates? you are playing a game of catch AO. why not just talk about the subject? hope i did not cause offence of late. 

the point i was making to Fair was that there were many young people who went out took up arms and gave their lives for Iran willingly. They are worthy of being called heros. you want to call them ancient history that is your prerogative. that seems to be the inference in your comment. i would not call them that. i hope that clarifies.

Capt_ayab

Sorry for having misunderstood your points.
Yes, we both agree that we shall help our brothers and sisters in Iran by doing all we can to help them morally; and also to shut up in not advocating things which will harm them more than anything else.

Mr. Mardom Mazloom

Your point is well taken. However I am not advocating silence, otherwise I would not be here.

So as long as we - living outside - do not suffer the consequences, then instead of telling them what to do and how to do it is we can supports them and follow their wishes and commands.

Support them by having their voice heard, through staging of demonstrations, writing article, participating in lectures, signing and preparing petition and getting people of other countries familiarized with their plight. In another word, we can not let the world forget about them.

Thanks for you time and comment. Much appreciated.

-YT 

Mr. Sargord

Sham of a show called[election] that was conducted, in which the result was defined even before the SHOW, is  called Vetting and not Voting sir.

-YT 

Ms. Parsi

Regretfully you are absolutely correct when you say the spirit of this small piece was missed. 

I sincerely appreciate you time, your comments and most of all your kindness.

Regards

-YT 

Mr. Jamshid

You noted[Anyway, going back to your blog, basically your are telling us to do nothing for those brave souls in Iran because anything we do or say could be considered having the "audacity"]

First off my good sir, by no means I am telling anyone to do or not to do anything. I am afraid you have totally misunderstood the point I was trying to make.

You note[ You seem to have, in your own words, a comfortable and cozy and secure life in the West. I am genuinely glad for you. But I want to remind you that not all of us in here have your "comfy" life style in the West.]

Again with due respect you have the point totally wrong.  The way I look at it is,WHEN [I]who is living outside Iran is not constantly  harassed by authorities, when my family can say what they want , dress up the way they what. When I can walk in the street freely and say I want without getting arrested, imprisoned or even executed. When our daughters, wives sisters who live outside, enjoy the same freedom that is extended to male members, when they are arrested for not wearing thick heavy BLACK chador and roosay in hot summer days, or any day for that fact without their will. When our women do not get their faces slashed with razors by morality thugs for the [crime] of luck of their hair being visible......etc etc.... I would  admit that [I] am living a conformable life when compared to what those people in Iran are going through. 

My points had nothing to do with materialistic element of life as you have misconstrued, It does have everything to do with freedom.

Finally you note[What they don't know is that they are actually people here that have
the "audacity" to promote an atmosphere of indifference and un-involvement towards the struggles of our brave people in Iran.]

Here again dear sir you have the gist totally wrong. TELLING people what to do and what not to do is totally different from being indifference to their plight and totally opposite of giving support.

Allow me put it this way. My siblings still live in Iran with all their family. We talk often and often we talk about politics. How appropriate do you it would if I were to tell the[Go on out to street and do such such] knowing very well that THEY are ones who will suffer the consequence of MY advice and not me. That decision should be left up to them and not me.

Here is what I said[How is it that we expect those true FREEDOM FIGHTERS in the streets of Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, Mashhad, Tabriz, ……universities, schools and
homes in REAL Iran to react and confront all these brutalities committed by the IR regime?  Are we here to tell them how to?

Do we, as a bunch of COMFY Diaspora have the right to utter a word? Or is it that all we can do is to lend the support, and let them brave souls do the work? OR! ] = Support them, lend them our voices, let the world know constantly what they going through but do NOT tell them how to do it?

Hopefully I was able to clarify some points here. I do appreciate your time and comment very sincerely.

Regards

-YT 

 Sargord: I agree that

 Sargord: I agree that people should make their voice heard by their votes

And the only way to do so in Iran is by NOT voting at all since the regime has proven to make a mockery out of "elections"

I did not believe in the last election and did not vote at all and would very much so advocate boycotting any future elections in Iran again. Of course unless there are fundamental changes in election laws and how those elections are carried out.

Mehrdad

Capt_Ayhab,

I think that there are two separate things mixed up in your blog.

1- The fact that we, Iranians in diaspora living outside Iran, cannot advise Iranians fighting for a free Iran inside the country what path to take. As we are not there to suffer the consequences.

2- We living outside, must totally be silent.

I totally agree with the first point but really think that we have something to say against barbarism of Mullahs. We must use our voice differently and in tandem with people inside Iran in order to get ride of these Dajjals. For example, what we can do are to:

1- Participate in manifestations against the regime,
2- Ask foreign governments to put their economical interests aside and condemn mullahs killing and raping people,br>
3- And all other things which can bring hope to our brothers and sisters in the country.

Niloufar Jaan

Fair: why not mention all those who died fighting against iraq and its myriad of foreign backers in the war? their names are lost in history?

I thought that by your previously stated criteria, the Iran / Iraq war would be ancient history, and as such, one should just ignore it.  Remember on another thread, when you were defending Russia and said that one should not be concerned about Russia's massacres in Afghanistan because it was ancient history?!!  Here, allow me to refresh your memory.  

This is what I asked you:

 "BTW,what about the more than one million Afghanis who were killed by the Soviets? Have you ever said anything about that?  If so, can you please point me to your writings on that subject?" 

and this is how you responded:       

"i don't think i have ever written any historical pieces. what's with the inquisition?"  

and here's the link to that thread:    

//iranian.com/main/2010/jan/wicked-wisdom 

If memory serves me correctly, the Iran / Iraq war took place during the same time period as the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.  Soooo...shouldn't we just file the Iran / Iraq war in the "ancient history" file cabinet and forget about it?  :-))) 

PS/ congratulations! I think that you just won today’s award for talking from both sides of your mouth!!

Niloufar Parsi

They fail to see that any movement led by them is necessarily external to iran.

I seem to recall that the leader of the Islamic Revolution (along with many of his advisors and other revolutionaries) had lived outside Iran many years--some of them in the Great Satan itself. IRI supporters seem to deposit that inconvenient fact down the Memory Hole. 

Fair: why not mention all those who died fighting against iraq and its myriad of foreign backers in the war?  

The war was prolonged by none other than the same foreign-based Emam and his insistence on "exporting the Revolution", overthrowing Saddam, and "liberating" Karbala (on the way to "liberating" Qods). The main foreign backer of Iraq, though not the only one, was the Workers Paradise, i.e. the USSR--this hasn't stopped IRI from cozying up to its successor state, i.e. Russia. Just more inconvenient facts that IRI supporters like to deposit down the Memory Hole.

Captain khan

very well put. but i can see that the commentators have so far missed the spirit of your blog. we can be little more that supporters of any particular group or movement in iran, not its self-appointed leaders. i totally agree with you. and those who act otherwise are fooling themselves. they fail to see that any movement led by them is necessarily external to iran.

Sargord: limiting oneself to elections is subservient. there is a lot more we can do (like promoting our culture, engaging in political exchanges on the internet and spreading what we pereceive to be good ideas - aka advocacy), though i agree voting is apt. it is also a strong reminder of the 'weight' each of us carries: 1 in about 40 million.

Fair: why not mention all those who died fighting against iraq and its myriad of foreign backers in the war? their names are lost in history?

Peace

Thanks Jamshid for great comment.

Jamshid, your comment is great.  As you wrote:"

While regime supporters might approve your advice, most other Iranians living abroad shall promptly reject it. In fact, those who live abroad, precisely because they are secure from the IRI's brutality, they should be active here as much as they can to support and help their brothers and sisters in Iran. "

Well said Jamshid as always

The fascists in power in Tehran would love us to just shut up and save them the trouble of having to block the voices of yet another group of Iranians.  Last I checked, Iranians are not a nation of quitters and people who give up, so such advice will definitely be rejected.

As for waffen SS major's advice, sure, let's just forget the dozens of people slaughtered by his employers, the thousands imprisoned and raped and tortured, the closing down and silencing of all those newspapers and just keep our ID current and vote in the next rigged election.  Then he has the gall to use the word "unjust".  What do you expect from a fascist who betrays his own people.

Jamshid, these are exactly the kind of people your friends in Iran are rightfully complaining about- those who sit here and defend the silencing of Iranians by a non Iranian government.  

We Iranians throughout history have always had such traitors, Alexander conquered Iran with help of an Iranian traitor.  Just the same way, traitors like waffen ss major help the cause of murdrerers and rapists of the Iranian people.  Such traitors should know one thing:

Iran is bigger than you.  Thousands of years after you have gone and worms have devoured you, Iran will still be around and you will be a footnote.  What will remain is the name of Iranians who fought for their country, like Neda Agha Soltan, Kaveh Alipour, and 12 year old Alireza Tavasoli.  We have survived thousands of years of your breed of scum, and your continued treason will not bring us down.  We are too great a nation.  But we also do not forget- your treason will be judged accordingly by the Iranian people.

The way to reconnect with Meehan is to stand with your people, not to stand with their slaughterers from your comfy life in the US.

-Fair

Sargord Pirouz, the IRI cyber groupie

What Mark Pirooz, the IRI cyber groupie residing in the "comfy" Ohio "meehan" (one of the 3 or so words of Persian that he seems to know) won't mention is that the Leader of the Rapist Regime is not popularly elected. The only person who can become the Leader of the Rapist Regime is an "akhoond" chosen by a group of other "akhoonds", since the Leader is the representative of the Twelfth Imam until the Twelfth Imam decides to grace us once again with his presence. In 31 years, there have been 2 Leaders. Got that? Anyone who opposes the Leader and the principle of the Leader cannot stand for "election". The "reformist" rapists and the "conservative" rapists (I know it's an insult to conservatives to  call these Islamo-Goons conservatives) both agree that the Rapist Regime is the finest form of government on earth, perhaps exceeded only by North Korea. These are "elections", Rapist Regime style. Now, do your duty while living in Ohio and vote LOOLLL!

Why do IRI cyber groupies keep themselves separated from the "meehan" and live in the West? There is no greater demonstration of fealty and devotion to the Rapist Regime than moving there and staying there for good. Come on, Mark Pirooz, set an example for the other IRI cyber groupies living in the Great Satan. 

Simple. Make sure your

Simple. Make sure your Iranian ID is current, and vote in the next election. You'll have to travel to the Islamic Republic of Iran for parliamentary elections, but in the next presidential election, you'll be able to vote from your "comfy" diaspora setting. Remember, President Ahmadinejad won't be running (sorry, for all those who would vote for him, but those are the rules) and there will probably be new faces, including that from the more "reform" element.

You shouldn't sit back and complain if you don't vote, people.

One more thing: don't try to impose a vocal minority of dissidence on the majority. That would be unjust, in its own right.

Reconnect with the Meehan by voting: that's my advice. 

Ahyab

You seem to have, in your own words, a comfortable and cozy and secure life in the West. I am genuinely glad for you.

But I want to remind you that not all of us in here have your "comfy" life style in the West.

Anyway, going back to your blog, basically your are telling us to do nothing for those brave souls in Iran because anything we do or say could be considered having the "audacity" to telling them what they should or should not do, while we are having "comfy" lives abroad.

In other words, let's make it even easier for the IRI to silence any dissent by keeping quite in here.

While regime supporters might approve your advice, most other Iranians living abroad shall promptly reject it. In fact, those who live abroad, precisely because they are secure from the IRI's brutality, they should be active here as much as they can to support and help their brothers and sisters in Iran.

All the emails I receive from my contacts in Iran include complaints and criticism about the inactivity and relative indifference of Iranians abroad despite living in the safety of Western countries.

What they don't know is that they are actually people here that have the "audacity" to promote an atmosphere of indifference and un-involvement towards the struggles of our brave people in Iran.