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MY VOTE

On the 1st nominee you're RIGHT;

On the others they're RIGHT.   

Personaly I don't call anyone any name....

Maziar

Well, Captain,

I watched the video and it WAS very funny, and very a propos.

You'll be very happy to know that the problem between me and the other person has started to be resolved, thanks to the mediation of Qumars. So I think we both have a lot to think about--what happens when you post a blog singling otu anyone for anything, even if totally polite, when not completely positive, and me..well..a whole bunch of things. (Say, wasn't the blog addressed to Kadivar from News Goffer during the Gaza War one of the first you were very active on?  And you didn't learn from that?...lol  )

So anyway, I'll just assume that the three posts you included here were abusive within context, to greater or lesser degree, while also bearing in mind that, like I told you once, sometimes you have a mouth like...a sailor.  ;oP

(Well, you said you're trying to be fair and objective, and you were, so...so am I...)

And I think..we'll leave it..at that..

don't you?

lol

ps If it'd been me, I wouldn't've featured this but...the Rakbar works in mysterious ways. Maybe he wanted to prove a point about the need for flagging, or...maybe was just...swimmin' with the fishes...

as he so often does.

nighty night

;oP

Captain

You can check my account.  I just registered recently. Before that I posted anonymously but then JJ had to go and make us all register. :-(

Another poster has dropped a pretty big hint.  What I dont understand is this constant accusation as to someone's identity.  Have I insulted you in any way?  Have I called you any names?  Based on similarities (and are you being completely honest when you say that you're basing your accusation on your "observing" certain similarities?  :-)... but based on this alone you're attacking me? 

Will we not be able to discuss or disagree without your accusing me?  I will regret that because even while I don't agree with you on some things and some things I REALLY don't agree with you on, I have no quarrel with you.  I have no way of defending you or myself or anyone else you say accused you without seeing it for myself.  You're asking me to judge someone else for what you think they said or did.  I won't do that. 

Captain.   The biggest problem I have with your explanation is the fact that by YOUR VERY OWN WORDS... our exchanges have been polite and civilized.  So there is no basis for your ill feelings towards me.  But you still decide to accuse me.

Why?

Che jan

IF I do come across as trying to TEACH, I ask you sincerely to forgive me, for I have no intention nor desire to do so. My purpose been to demonstrate the ugliness of the disease called racism.

As to EXPOSING certain individuals, I only took some comments form a public domain media[Iranian.com] and reprinted them. It is their blog and their writing and not mine.

As to who I think you are, You asked frankness, here it is:

Some time ago I had an article in this site, which was of highly personal matter. I did chose to publish it for some personal reason. In that thread, and a thread that followed by another contributor, there was this lady who viciously attacked me with many ugly names and even slandering my family. The dear lady who chose to attack me and judge me, did not comment in this site for a while[as I am aware], BUT when you started commenting, and debating with me[which I must say in utmost civilized manner] all your writing stroked astonishing resemblance to her writings.

With that back ground, IF I have made an unintentional error in thinking you two are the same person, I do hope you find it in your heart to forgive me for my stupid error. But if not, lets forget it and just move forward. DEAL?

Respectfully

-YT 

Rosie

One thing that I like about you, which I have made no secrets about, is that like myself, you do not beat around the bush. You compliment as you criticize, which never gets neither too mushy nor vindictive.

In lights of these, which hopefully you can realize that is said in utmost sincerity, many of your criticism are perfectly appropriate. Respect to the same sincerity and honesty that you criticized me let me share my personal feeling about this particular thread. I mind you that there is not going to be any excuses.

Day after I did this blog, I had second thoughts, and I am being perfectly honest. Because I do realize that this might come across and vindictive and childish. The type that I am NOT and avoid being seen as one. However, as it is duty of every single decent human being to speak up for justice and equality, I see it my duty to speak up against racism and bigotry, no matter how unpleasant my threads become to some certain people. I do know that you share this view with me as do many many other people. Will I ever stop speaking up and exposing racist and bigot? As soon as you manage for the sun to rise from the west, then I will stop ;-0)

As to the point you made, regarding [your nominee] I am not denying my friendship with the lady, for whom I hav4e great deal of respect, as I do for countless members of this site. However, she knows it and I know it that our friendship is by no means to be construed as 100% blind approval and support of each others opinions.Notice the first criticism of this thread.

In all FAIRNESS that you pointed out,  the blog  in question is a focused blog, which was trying to bring to light  racism issue in general and few threads in particular in this site. The 3 gentleman in question, from the get go, turned it into a FIGHT between political ideologies, by slandering myself and one other gentleman.

This brings us to issue few certain people in this site. I have tried my best to mediate between some of the people involved, most notably Mr. Nouraie and IRANdokht. Just to realize that my mediation was not welcome. My motive behind it?

Many of the people involved in the quarrel are some of the brightest and oldest contributors of this site, namely yourself, Kaveh, IRANDOKHT and few others.

To me it was disheartening to see these characters, who have done so much for this site without expecting any compensation, and just out of their love of human rights and some honorable principles to be so unforgiving toward each other. I did try to mediate to ease the tension.

You guys accuse me of taking her side only, that is not true, In neither one of my comment I  have attempted to be one sided, and I have tried to maintain impartiality, but obviously I have failed in that.

As to the clip.......... just watch it because it is so appropriate and so fitting the subject matter that is unbelievable.

-YT 

P/S Did I say thank you? and why no molasses??I am just a gentle teddy bear (^ _*)

Dear "capt_ayhab",

Some of the contributers are well known trolls, it isn't worth feeding them, on the other hand it's important to nip stupidity in the bud :)))

This whole blog is very

This whole blog is very disturbing. Capt_ayhab, why do you think you're any better than those you've chosen to crucify??

Look,

first of all, just to clarify for anyone who's only reading the top of the thread, as people so often do, I did not call the Captain a slitherer. Statistical studies have shown that the base requirements for a slitherer are to use at least 92.3% molasses-coated politeness publicly and to inflict mild to severe psychological damage lasting three weeks or more on at least 5.7% of the population within a given society (which must include people spanning the entire spectrum of ideology and temperament).

That is not the Captain. Beginning with the molasses part for sure.

Now I'm not going to get into this Che Kabar/Captain thing here with either of you for obvious reasons, you can work it out yourselves or not, but this I will say:

Captain, you wrote a blog about a blog you wrote containing three posts by members (I don't count the first) which in all honesty can only be evaluated fairly by reading your previous blog in its entirety (which was a very long thread) PLUS the blog by one of those posted here, which your first blog was in response to.

In all fairness. Because you publicly asked for a community VOTE on who is THE MOST toxic member of this community. To do otherwise than scrutinize the entire history to make any kind of determination would not be a VOTE, it would be a WITCH HUNT. So there are three fair options, ignore this blog, be diplomatic but abstain (like Azarin)...or make a judgment about the accusations (although not necessarily 'vote').

(Of course for the three 'accused' people, no holes are barred. It's fair and square for them to say whatever occurs to them, since they were put on trial...).

You can't just decide to end it as 'monotonous', Captain, when you've just exhorted the ENTIRE COMMUNITY to participate in a public TRIAL of three people, just because a few people come here and nominate SOMEONE ELSE (implicitly) as the most dangerous, bigoted person on the site...just because you like that person.

I call foul.

I am going to read both of the blogs and their threads from bottom to top, and tell you honestly whether I think either of the three people posted here are ANY MORE BIGOTED AND DANGEROUS than my own candidate. And then..

just to play by your rules-since I've entered the game--I will  prioritize the three you offered in terms of my impression of their toxicity relative to each other and my own candidate. 

Fair and square.

Captain Jaan

By your very post here you're attempting to "teach" someone a lesson!  By your exposing certain individuals who may or may not have been vulgar or racist or bigoted, you're attempting to "teach" them not to mess with you.  I've seen some of your discussions and you've been precise and eloquent.  I've seen others where you've been angry and defensive.  Everyone here is just a human being with the same frustrations and resentments.  No one is better or worse than anyone else.  I personally think that you have some serious anger issues.  I also think you're an intelligent and passionate person.  Does this make you good or bad?  Certainly not!  It makes you HUMAN. 

I must insist on this one thing.  If you are accusing me of something, please be frank.  You make these allegations of my identity and as Rosie says, slither away.  If you've got something to say, say it and prove it.  Slander and insinuation have no degrees or boundaries.  I will not accept these subtle threats any longer.  I have said nothing insulting to you... NOTHING.  You leave the door open for accusations of the same kind.

How would you like it if I called you "HATEIRI" in disquise?  :-)

sepas

Not monotonous.

Not monotonous at all. 

Hostile bigoted outbursts are easily identifiable and can easily be countered. Chronic insidious strategic campaigns of molasses-coated politeness with the same ends in mind are harder to identify and expose. But with time they come clear. Until that time they do unfathomable damage.

Stand up and shout, I can stand up to you. Slither around and I can't even see you til you bite me and if you leave no visible marks I can't even prove it. Until enough other people have been similarly bitten by the same snake. Then..it all starts to come clear..

nice clip

Just to break the monotony, the segment from Colbert Report of July 29, 09, [The Word] , and minutes leading to it is worth watching. Very funny and appropriate indeed.

//www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/full-ep...

-YT 

Che khab e

You noted[You say you are here to learn?  It seems like you are here to "teach" everyone lessons or rules.]

Could you be kind enough to show how?

-YT 

P/S As to who I [Know] you are, lets leave it at that. I have said what I had to on the subject.

Synchronicity!

JUST when I was writing my last post, someone else was writing on Samsam's thread about the very same topic!

The thing that really amazes me is that MY post here was completely hypothetical!

//iranian.com/main/comment/reply/74363/201250

Well, here is just an example (KN)

I remember during the Gaza thread wars, the Zionist minority contained people who did not write or read Persian well. There were all these rumors going around that they were not Iranian or even of Iranian ancestry (needless to say they were also mainly Jewish). It was a kind of campaign.

I remember Kaveh being one of those people whose name was bandied about as not being Iranian and almost everyone on the anti-Zionist faction who did not actually participate in it still being silent on that campaign in general. Now what would you think of someone who was aware of all that later on posting a reply to Kaveh in Persian being fully aware that he can't read it and when he called the person on it, did not reply, although they had up til then been very vocal on that blog,  monitoring it carefully.

Of course there is nothing 'impolite' in writing in Persian, is there? And if the desired reaction had been illicited--to humiliate Kaveh into silence because he would feel embarrassed about not being able to read Persian and to remind others of the campaign--this would've been very harmful.

But...nothing impolite about posting in Persian., is there? And silence is not as damaging as cursing, is it?

Of course it is just a hypothetical example. Needless to say there is no one on this site who would be childish and vicious enough to pull a stunt like that.

Attacked you?

I don't even know you.  :-)  These senseless allegations are ridiculous.  You lose sight of the main issue.  I haven't got a clue why you're here or what your point is.  But I assume it's the same reason as anyone else.  To discuss our vatan.  Are YOU going to join that little clique that determines who is and isn't Iranian?  I thought better of you.  I believe you are rash and angry at times but I believe your love for your homeland is sincere.  Is mine less than yours because I might disagree with you on some issues?  You say you are here to learn?  It seems like you are here to "teach" everyone lessons or rules.  But these rules must apply to everyone!!!  I'm sorry for your attitude.  I've done nothing to insult you or deserve your words.  I've enjoyed a few discussions with you and looked forward to more.  I will go so far as to say that I consider it my loss that you have chosen to "believe" or "follow" that little clique.

And Captain agha... I said "go to hell".  THAT is a big difference from "get out of here".  :-) 

Well, KN, I wasn't going to bring it up, but...

I agree.

Kaveh

Bah Bah Bah Kaveh khan........ were have you been hiding man? have missed you............

Now that you bring up this whole censorship issue I have my gripes as well. I believe certain standards should be adhered to. I mind you that I am not a professional journalist to be a proper judge of this, But certain guidelines should be observed when deleting a comment.

To me being a racist and having blog after blog of hateful and borderline criminal writing of racism has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Haters of all kind MUST be recognized and exposed, considering we do not go over board with racism issue. They are abusing the privilege that is extended to them by the country and by anonymity of the cyberspace . For any unsuspecting visitors, at times this site might look like a page from KKK or neo-Nazi morons.

Asides from that my good man, just take a browse through some of the latest threads and you will easily see that the issues that are presented in the blogs get seldom discussed. Instead starting with second or third comment , the argument goes right down the tube, and shouting begins.I agree that some one might get upset for being slandered, but some these guys just keep beating the dead horse by repeating the same comment over and over again in every single thread. In many cases, one has to go through couple of dozens of such comment before he/she can find one comment, buried under all that which provide useful information and dialogue.

Funny part is, same people who do most of name calling are so called anti IR and propagators of democracy. Democracy of intolerance? Hate? Bigotry? They will not hesitate one single second in calling you a fascist or IR lovers, just because you do not agree with point they are making.To me this is not passion about anything, to me this sort of debate is childish, pure and simple.

-YT 

che khabar e

You of all people should know my intentions of visiting this site. But allow me to reiterate myself as clearly as possible.

I am not here to seek friends although I would gladly entertain the idea and extend my appreciation and gratitude in return IF it is based on mutual respect.

Nor am I here to seek any support for my beliefs and ideologies, Not because I think I am right all the time but because I am way too old to change.

I come here to learn form others in a civil and logical manner. I will never hesitate to defend my person anytime I am attacked personally. In short, I shall respect every single person regardless of their ideology, but I will retaliate any time and every time I am attacked and slandered personally. You should know this since you have attacked me in worst possible way. Hopefully with your new [outfit] we will not have such an episode again. 

I will debate anyone logically  till the cows come home. BUT never have and never will sit silent when my person is attacked and slandered.

-YT 

P/S to me [F@@K you] and [get out of here] are totally different.

Captain

While the specific comments you have cited certainly leave a lot to be desired when it comes to matters of taste, eloquence or overall decency, these really are not the worst of the worst.

There are many comments throughout this website that aren't as overtly bigoted as these. However, I find those "veiled" comments to be far worse, because the writers go so far as to try and justify or explain their diseased thoughts as if it were some sort of scientific analysis.

Then there are those who in feign taking "deep offense" at the comments of others who take issue with their points of view and subsequently censor them by flagging the comments and having them deleted. These people are truly no better than the ones who just throw disparaging labels around. A greater effort must be made to expose them, rather than the people you are mentioning. It's not that they are less bigoted or anything like that, it's that they are more obvious. The people I'm referring to on this site are the two-faced variety....the wolves and jackals in sheep's clothing.

Captain

Was that perhaps a freudian slip?    SF is the 49'ers...:-0

Bottom line is that there isn't one person... not ONE... who hasn't been rude or insulting to someone else.  The degree of racism or hate or bigotry is irrelevant.  Whether you call someone stupid or a zionist.  Whether you call them ignorant or a nazi.  Whether you say "fuck you" or "go to hell".  Whether you threaten overtly or subtlely. 

I appreciate the intention of the blog and very much support Captain's sentiments but the fact is is that there is far too much of the pot calling the kettle black.  All this has really done is increase the animosity between members and the tempo of vulgar language. 

Don't tell people what to do.  Teach by example.

Yeah right!

Off course you had the football team in mind! Bacheh gir ovordi? I'm not a goody too shoes but whenever I see hypocricy I like to point it out. Your blog is very childish.

Anonymous 8, you are right we have Nazis among us.

Oh, sorry, Captain, previous text in this box

was wrong--the link to the original blog is there in your blog. I didn't see it because the blue is only on the word "blog". I always link a series of words rather than just one word so it is more visible.

Ms. Azarin

Thank you ever so much for such kind words and compliment. Actually I am as [Mongol] as they come. But it is very kind and generous of you madam.

If you get the chance please do read the original blog, which was in response to various threads that those gentleman have been publishing. The links are provided in this thread as well as the original thread. You can find the blog  HERE .

Then if you had time I would love to continue debate and dialogue.

Respectfully

-YT 

Louie Louie

Firstly I presume you are a women, otherwise you would not be calling the word[69er] a rude comment. 69er's are San Francisco's professional football team which happens to be my favorite team. So please take your mind out of the gutters DARLING.

Secondly, you are so gong ho in criticizing me for using [69er] for his name, but I did not see anywhere in your surer duper hypocritical comment anything that criticizes  AK69 khan for making such a childish and ignorant mockery of my name. ;-)

Thirdly, You are absolutely correct, there has been many times that I have been flagged. I never have claimed to be goody too shoes either. However, at the expense of sounding defensive and at the expense of coming across as trying to justify my rude and ugly comment, if you notice and IF you trace all of them you will see that I have been attacked FIRST in 100% of the cases.

Let me say this again, I'll be the first to criticize myself, BUT you madam/Sir either do not comment about my person or if you chose to comment be fair and unbiased.

-YT 

rosie

I have only flagged one, The first nominee.

I have a point to get to by this particular thread. Not only I am trying to demonstrate ugliness of disease, but I am also trying to prove how dangerously it could become a pandemic.

Racism is the most dangerous of all social diseases and history is a proof.

-YT 

Captain, sorry to repeat the question but

did you ever flag these posts?

There She Blows.....

- O'capi, my friend.... I'm hurt; I am me and only me. Can't you tell the difference? I thought you were a "smart math-guy". I have left patterns that even a blind man could see.

Seriously, I got to call you out on this BS:

"why are you trying to censor me?"

I hope you only said that because of your delusional MPD theory. Otherwise, you know that is full on BS.

P.S. How could one ever be as witty as thee O' capi with the gift of the Toilet Mouth Trophy[TMT Award].

;-) 

AK69 

Bar Labe Goore Man, Avaz Bekhan

HORRIBLE and disturbing!

shocking.

we have to realize we have nazis among us. no polite way to say it.

Dear Captain,

I read all the 4 comments, but I didn't read the original blog and all the comments...so I'm not aware of the context in which these comments have appeared. Of course I find them offensive, as I respect words too much to ever use insults. Plus, as i have been pretty lazy reading all the iranian.com blogs, so I have no idea why they're calling you or iranian.com pro-IRI. For me, you are the smart Math-guy who happens to be Tork (Azari) like myself!   

But Having said that, I have to say that in each of these comments I found at least one line of thought, that at some point of my own life had crossed my mind. 

I experienced the same intensity in my rage and bitterness when september 11 happened, or when Bakhtiar was murdered, or Farokhzad, or my father, or when I watched Neda's death the first time, or each time I read what had happened to Taraneh and Sohrab and watched that video of Sohrab's mother at Behesht Zahra...or basijis beating up a young man who was already dead. I can't describe the kind of anger I felt...but in my case, I am used to transform my anger to sorrow and then my sorrow turns into tears..and I cry and cry.

But I assume there are people who can't. Or there are people who could be Sohrab's friend, or Taraneh's father, or Neda's Mother, etc...I guess these people would still be angry even when they cry, or talk, or eat, or sleep, or even when they write comments. 

Who knows where Hateiri is coming from or F**iranian.com? They're just anonymous and hurt. Like most of us...but maybe we've been just luckier than them. 

So like watching my kids' tantrum when they tell me how much they hate me, I'll let them scream and the longer they scream, i'd feel they're more tired, more restless, more in pain. Sooner or later, they're going to calm down, and deep down they'd feel sorry for what they've said...hopefully.

There should be something that we all share...something like our love for Iran.

I hope I haven't offended anyone! My only wish is that one day all the Iranians (no matter their background) manage to forget the past and unite for real to make a better future for the children of Iran. So the next generations wouldn't experience what we had to experince! Voila! Azarin