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MONARCHY OR REPUBLIC ? British MP Calls For Referendum On Libya’s Future
07-Nov-2011
Influential Tory MP and specialist on Libyan Affairs, Daniel Kawczynski, has suggested the Libyan people should be allowed to hold a referendum on whether they would like their exiled prince to be restored on the throne as a constitutional monarch. Mr Kawczynski made the case while spearheading a debate at Westminster on the UK’s relationship with Libya. Muhammad al-Senussi has been living in London since his family was overthrown by Colonnel Gaddafi in1969. Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski said he supported the National Transitional Council of Libya But, he was “concerned” Libyans had not been given the chance themselves to decide on what sort of constitution they wanted.
Hosted by ECR ( European Conservatives and Reforms Group ) Crown Prince of Libya was received last April at the European Parliament :
Libya's Future Fraught with Challenges (VOA):
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MP Daniel Kawczynski in call over Libya’s future (Tuesday1st November 2011)
A Shropshire MP today suggested the Libyan people be given a referendum on whether they would like the exiled prince of Libya restored to the throne to head a constitutional monarchy.
Muhammad al-Senussi has been living in London since his family was overthrown by Colonnel Gaddafi in 1969. Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski said he supported the National Transitional Council of Libya.
But, he was “concerned” Libyans had not been given the chance themselves to decide on what sort of constitution they wanted.
The NTC yesterday appointed Abdel-Rahim al-Keeb, an electronics engineer from Tripoli, as its new interim president, while the country seeks to re-wire itself for the post-Gaddafi era.
Mr Kawczynski argued the restoration of the monarchy in Libya offered “stability” – and the Crown Prince a “unifying figure, untainted by any previous association with the Gaddafi regime” who would “command respect” and could “bring the whole country together”.
The Shrewsbury & Atcham MP said he had contacted Prime Minister David Cameron to seek the Crown Prince’s guidance and views on Libya.
“After 42-years of absolutely tyrannical despotism I don’t think it is unreasonable to have a referendum,” said the Tory MP.
“I, for one, think another politician, another head of state that is a politician, is the last thing that the Libyan people want, and I think they need to be consulted in order for them to decide what sort of constitution they want.
“Yes this is a matter for the Libyan people, but ultimately, our country has put our service personnel at risk and I think we have a right to advise and caution the NTC in this regard,” he added.
Mr Kawczynski made the case while spearheading a debate at Westminster on the UK’s relationship with Libya. He also asked if the Government was happy for the killer of British police officer WPc Yvonne Fletcher to face trial in Libya.
Foreign Office Minister Jeremy Browne said the Government was committed to building a “revitalised” relationship with Libya which addressed “past wrongs”.
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DANIEL KAWCZYNSKI (PROFILE)
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Daniel Kawczynski Opposing Gordon Brown in Parliament over EU Elections held in Poland :
Recorded from BBC2's The Daily Politics, 24 June 2009.
Daniel Kawczynski takes Part in the BBC Doha Debates - October 12, 2009
MOTION :« This House deplores the release of the Lockerbie bomber to Libya »
Daniel Kawczynski, British politician FOR
Mustafa Fetouri, Libyan academic and writer AGAINST
Guma El-Gamaty, Libyan researcher and writer ( today UK spokesman for NTC) FOR
Jim Swire, Father of a Lockerbie victim AGAINST
MOTION PASSED by 53% to 47%
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About Daniel Kawczynski:
Daniel Robert Kawczynski (born 24 January 1972) is the Conservative Party Member for Parliament (MP) for Shrewsbury and Atcham in Shropshire, England. Kawczynski's family came to Britain from Poland in 1940,after Poland's invasion by Nazi Germany. Kawczynski was educated at St George's College, an independent school (at the time for boys only), inWeybridge in Surrey, followed by the University of Stirling in the city of Stirling in the Central Region of Scotland, where he read Business Studies with Languages,[and was President of the University Conservative Association in 1991. After graduating, Kawczynski becamean international account manager in the telecommunications industry, a position he held for ten years. Kawczynski first stood for Parliament in the 2001 general election for Ealing Southall and came a distant second with 18%of the vote. However, he won the seat for Shrewsbury and Atcham at the 2005 general election, succeeding Labour's Paul Marsden with 37.7% of the vote, compared to 34.1% for Labour and 22.8% for the Liberal Democrats. Kawczynski was re-elected at the 2010 general election with 43.9% ofthe vote, compared to 29.0% for the Liberal Democrats in second. In 2010,Kawczynski published a book called Seeking Gaddafi published prior to the Libyan dictator’s fall.
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PC Fletcher, 25, was shot while policing a protest against the Muammar Gaddafi regime at the Libyan embassy in St James's Square and later died.
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He said the visit was a "really positive step forward" in the inquiry.
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Royal line
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Nobody thought Khomeini was a unifying figure
by anglophile on Wed Mar 07, 2012 06:07 AM PSTWell most of educated r looking for an alternative to Monarchy.
by Esfand Aashena on Wed Mar 07, 2012 05:55 AM PSTWe can debate this all day long but I know you view Monarchy as the best alternative for Iran so no chance of me being able to convice you otherwise!
All I'm saying is that "Prince" Chubby is not a unifying figure. For one thing he is an unknown to the majority population who were born after 1979. If anything he is just a novelty to them, like Michael Jackson or Madonna.
In all of Arab spring there has not been a country where they have a unifying figure. Unifying figures are not fruits where you can pick the ripest one of any tree!
Right now we're so divided that when there is a unifying figure for millions of people (Mousavi), equal number of people, if not more, ridicule and dismiss him.
Nelson Mandella spent 20 years in Prison. Sui Aki (spelling) in Thailand spent years under house arrest. These are two unifying figures that I can think of. We may never see a unifying figure in our lifetime and by our lifetime I mean Prince Chubby's lifetime as well.
After him, do you seriously think that his eldest daughter is really heir to the peacock throne?
Everything is sacred
Esfand Jan Probably Not as long as a population deemed educated
by Darius Kadivar on Wed Mar 07, 2012 05:39 AM PSTstill spells "Prince" : "price"
Knowledge is Power ....
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Darius jaan you think price chubby is that "unifying figure"?
by Esfand Aashena on Wed Mar 07, 2012 05:08 AM PSTLibya didn't have a unifying figure and had their previous Monarch or heir "showed up" at the last minute and claimed anything he'd have been rejected by a substantial section of the Libyan opposition.
A unifying figure is not something that is given to someone or an inheritent. It is based on specific hard work, experience, chrisma and public approval.
Everything is sacred
Mark my Words : May Libya serve as a lesson to us Iranians !
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Mar 06, 2012 05:58 AM PST
In wanting to establish a PERFECT democracy Libyans may well lose it all ... May this serve as a lesson to Us Iranians particularly those who advocate a Federal Republic like america for Iran with their clueless intellectually arrogant self righteousness ...COMPLAINING JOMHURYKHAH: What Have the Pahlavis EVER Done For Us ? ;0)
In a Post IRI iran be sure that the Kurds, Baloutch and Azeris may well call for separate states too. Hence why I adovocate a Restoration of the former Constitution of 1906 as a first step towards restoring our democratic rights:
Crown Prince Reza on importance of "Checks and Balances" of future regime
Cyrus Amir-Mokri on Pros and Cons of 1906 Constitution We can then move to the next step in amending the constitution so as to fit it to more contemporary standards in order to create our secular Parliamentary or representative democracy whatever you wish to call it. But without a framework and common denominator No Nation Building let alone democratic state can be achieved. The ENEMY OF GOOD is PERFECTION !
All other options are merely confusing our own long term interests and collective coexistence.
Mark My Words for the future cause there is an ocean between what we like to have ideally and the reality of a nation whose identity and even present challenges are ALWAYs shaped by the Past. Whether you want it or not the Past will ALWAYS demand accountability for better or for worse. Iran is no exception to the rule ...After 40 years of Gaddafi's brutal rule the countty which was once united as the Kingdom of Libya which operated as a more or less Constitutional Monarchy under King Idris ( the flag of which was hailed during the revolution which ousted Gaddafi) is now threatened by separatism due to the lack of a unifying figure withing the Transitional Council most of whom are composed of former officials of the Gaddafi regime.
Royal Restoration could have truly kept Libya united under a common ideal and more importantly thanks to a well drafted and acceptable constitution which would have respected the multi ethnic nature of the Libyan nation so brutally divided and suppressed along ethnic lines during Gaddafi's tyranical 42 years rule.
Hesitation amongst the divided transitional council in trying to confuse the legitimate aspirations of the Libyan people at large in the name of vague promises of "democracy" and "charia" laws ( the latter already present during the Gaddafi regime but not under the former Monarchy ) is bound to lead to the explosion of Libya into ethnic wars.
Don't think we Iranians are in anyway more wise or intellectually superior to these Libyans we want to look down at.
However different a country They are faced with EXACTLY the same challenges our country will face in a Post IRI Iran:
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Nation building requires a Clear objective added to political maturity and collective awareness of the challenges ahead. The real question remains do we have one ?
I am not so sure ...
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Libya threatened by Separatism in abscence of Restored Monarchy
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Mar 06, 2012 05:12 AM PSTAfter 40 years of Gaddafi's brutal rule the countty which was once united as the Kingdom of Libya which operated as a more or less Constitutional Monarchy under King Idris ( the flag of which was hailed during the revolution which ousted Gaddafi) is now threatened by separatism due to the lack of a unifying figure withing the Transitional Council most of whom are composed of former officials of the Gaddafi regime. Royal Restoration could have truly kept Libya united under a common ideal and more importantly thanks to a well drafted and acceptable constitution which would have respected the multi ethnic nature of the Libyan nation so brutally divided and suppressed along ethnic lines during Gaddafi's tyranical 42 years rule. Hesitation amongst the divided transitional council in trying to confuse the legitimate aspirations of the Libyan people at large in the name of vague promises of "democracy" and "charia" laws already present during the Gaddafi regime is bound to lead to the explosion of Libya into ethnic wars.
DK
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Civic leaders in eastern Libya declare semi-autonomy for the oil-rich region, saying the area has been neglected for decades.Civic leaders in eastern Libya have declared semi-autonomy for the oil-rich region.The decision was made at a meeting attended by at least 2,000 people near the eastern city of Benghazi.Supporters of the move say the region, known as Cyrenaica, has been neglected for decades and local people should now decide on local matters.But the governing National Transitional Council has argued against federalism, amid fears it could break up Libya.The BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse, reporting from the meeting, called the announcement a declaration of intent by the tribal leaders of Cyrenaica.It is not yet clear what degree of autonomy the leaders are seeking, and will likely be the subject of much debate with the NTC in Tripoli over the coming months, he adds.
Hit Libyan WWII graves to be restored
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Libya Apologizes for British war graves attack
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Among the graves targeted were those of British and Commonwealth servicemen killed during the Second World War.
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The Benghazi War Cemetery was also targeted. Both cemeteries commemorate British and Commonwealth nationals who died during or after World War II.
The Libyan authorities apologised and pledged to catch those responsible.
The damage was "unethical, irresponsible and criminal", the ruling National Transitional Council said.
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Prime Minister David Cameron was speaking on the anniversary of the start of the Libyan revolution.
He also said: "Britain shares the ambitions of Libyans for a stable, prosperous country based on fundamental freedoms and human rights."
Earlier, Foreign Secretary William Hague "reaffirmed UK commitment to supporting Libyans".
Libya's uprising, along with revolutions in Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain and Syria, saw a so-called "Arab spring".
The uprising against Colonel Muammar Gaddafi began on 17 February 2011 on the streets of Benghazi.
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UN lifts Libya sanctions
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The US and the UK followed suit shortly afterwards.
The Libyan banks' foreign assets were frozen earlier this year as part of sanctions against former Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi.
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Pentagon chief visits new Libya
by Darius Kadivar on Sat Dec 17, 2011 02:05 AM PSTPentagon chief visits new Libya NEW (bbc)
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The hours-long visit - the first by a Pentagon chief to Tripoli - will include talks with Libyan interim Prime Minister Abdurrahim al-Keib and Defence Minister Osama al-Juwali.
It follows a UN decision on Friday to lift sanctions on Libya's central bank and its investments subsidiary.
That move cleared the way for Libya's new government to gain control of tens of billions of dollars frozen overseas.
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