Persian Realm

Dear Arj

Back then, The Soviet Union, and Communism, were huge concerns - They Couldn't take a chance on an "Unpredictable" Shah :)

That's How I See It ;) !

Re conspiracy theories...

Dear R2D2, in reality, it's not as simple as that! Yes, they started to drop hints at him to keep him in checks and on a short leash, but did not replace him per se... they didn't have to! All they had to do was to stop propping him, and the rest fell into place on its own as he pretty much had alienated the entire nation!

Mike Wallace

Is one sick SOB disrespectful and the father of a real POS.

Dear Arj

Please watch this short video:

Mike Wallace On the CIA Psychological Profile of the Shah

That Says It All - The West Could Not (Repeat, Could Not) Rely On The Shah To Do Their Bidding Anymore, So They Replaced Him :)

Pure And simple :) !

God bless the late Shah of Iran!

Had it not been for his visionary ideas and hard work for Iran and Iranians, all of you guys who spew nonsense about him would be bed-sheet as cloths and carrying a pair of Beel & Kolang on your shoulders looking for a job like your Afghan brothers instead of living in the comfort of West and charand-o-parnd begeen!
Javid Shah

Dear Anglophile

The Brits gave a daily allowance of 500 British Pounds to Iranian government to pay to officials and civil servants. I am not sure if that allowance was in place during Reza Shah, or Ahmad Shah. Evidently, we were then to Great Britain what the Greeks are now to EU.

John Adams:"The Monarchy would Unite Us, The Republic Divide Us"

What World Famous Men Said About Monarchy

From John Adams (Second President of the United States) to Marcus Garvey, Homer, C. S. Lewis, J. R. R. Tolkien and others, A sampling of what some of the world's brightest thinkers have said about monarchy. 

American Republic vs. The British Monarchy by Brian AJ Parry

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SStpMqvAi7E

From Related Blog: 

ROYAL FORUM: Fareed Zakaria asks «Does America Need a Prime Minister ?»

Thomas Pine on Monarchy

 //www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense3.htm

   "there is another and great distinction for which no truly natural or religious reason can be assigned, and that is the distinction of men into KINGS and SUBJECTS. Male and female are the distinctions of nature, good and bad the distinctions of Heaven; but how a race of men came into the world so exalted above the rest, and distinguished like some new species, is worth inquiring into, and whether they are the means of happiness or of misery to mankind."

"To the evil of monarchy we have added that of hereditary succession; and as the first is a degradation and lessening of ourselves, so the second, claimed as a matter of right, is an insult and imposition on posterity. For all men being originally equals, no one by birth could have a right to set up his own family in perpetual preference to all others for ever, and tho' himself might deserve some decent degree of honours of his contemporaries, yet his descendants might be far too unworthy to inherit them. One of the strongest natural proofs of the folly of hereditary right in Kings, is that nature disapproves it, otherwise she would not so frequently turn it into ridicule, by giving mankind an ASS FOR A LION."

Re grandiosity!

Dear R2-D2, that is the problem with owing your throne to foreign powers and yet letting it go to your head that you're actually in charge! One day you are their "guest of honour," next, you're discarded like a used napkin and your ailing body is kicked around like a football by the former patrons you had once worked so hard to please!

ATTENTION

What is the problem with Iranian?Do you get a reward for dishonouring each other and trying to approve who was right or wrong?Every Iranian who claim which they are against Islamic regime must support each other whether they are right or wrong.I see too many people attack each other rather work and help each other, no wonder that bunch of Akhoond fucking us every day.

'anglophile'

As always, your comment below confirms the fact that many of us already know, that you are not only unintelligent, but also incoherent, very poorly informed, and as your name indicates, desperately trying at every opportunity to defend your Masters in England :)

Please Continue Your Line Of Commenting - Sad To Say This, But You Are Indeed Your Own Worst Enemy ;) ! !

Dear Mort

R2D2 why don't you publish your findings?

They should beat Daiee Jan Napolean to the bottom of the comic books list :))) 

Dear Anglophile

FYI, I read years ago that Ahmad Shah once said he would prefer selling ice cream in Europe over being the King of Persia.

Unfortunately .....

The Shah neither truly understood nor properly ever learned the true nature of Politics, and how National Interests trump everything else :)

Back in the 1970's, in interview after interview with the Western Journalists (ie. Mike Wallace, Oriana Fallaci, Barbara Walters, etc.), the Shah came across as a Megalo-Maniac, with  huge Grandisosity.

CIA's profile of the Shah at that time referred to him as an Uncertain Ally. Essentially, the Shah forgetting who had restored him back to power in '53.

The same British that wined and dined him in 1948 during his State Visit, and restored him back to power in '53, helped undermine and remove him from power n 1978 :) !

He had served their purposes and interests well, now they needed a more Reliable Ally (in the person of Mr. Khomeini) - And As They Say, The Rest Is History :) !!

Another dreamt up myth

VPK Jaan, I'm not ignoring you,

Just at work.

But a brief note whilst on my lunch break; Mossadegh, regardless of being "elected" or "selected", under his government Iran enjoyed highest level of democracy never seen before or since. That is the reason  Mossadegh remains hugely pouplar amongst ordinary iranians and is equally hated by hezbullahi and shahollahi alike, who fail to recognise that the time for rule of shaban-bi-Mokhs in our country is up, for ever.

Please also note my comment to DK on the(lack) of value of such discussions we are having unless a degree of honesty and acceptance of criticism is part of rules of debate. Otherwise these discussions degenerate into what this one has, serving no purpose, whilst our country is bleeding to death under the sandals of the islamist fascists.

 Now, back to my Tuna sandwich, Yum.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Well said VPK

Now that the floodgates have opened let us say it all one more time. I can prove that Mossadegh did it not for the love of Iran but for his hatred of the Brits for dumping the Qajars in favor of Reza Khan.  This is the same Mossadegh who used to praise Ahmad Shah, the same Ahmad Shah who had hoardered hundreds of tons of wheat to sell them at high price at the time of the worst draught the country had seen in centuries. Mossadegh called him "shah javaan bakht" and "shah ma'zool". The same Ahmad Shah who spent more time in casinos and clubs of south of France than in his seat of kingdom in Tehran. And this was only one example of Mossadegh's fradulant self. The rest comes later.

Disenchanted Jan

This is not about Shah at least not from my point of view. It is about:

• History
• Worship of heroes whether it be Shah or Mossadegh
• The power of hate and revenge.

If we don't get this *** processed in our minds it will haunt us. That is why it has to be aired out. Just as "truth and reconciliation" processes require. Or we have this follow us for the next 3000 years! Our dear Iranian people have "kineye shotor".  Still after 60 years throwing daggers at one another!

Anglo & Siavash

Yes Siavash: I agree with you and just said the same thing.

Anglo: You did fine by opening it. This is a very important matter and must be examined. I am sick and tired of this *** about patriotism. We should have a full "out in open" airing. The JM *** up big time. They were so fuming about Mossadegh (and still are) that they took Khomeini over Shah. Just to spite the world. In English we say cut off your nose to spite your face.

Kindling the royal candle! :-)

      Emperor is dead! There is more posting on Shah here that any  breathing personality! :-)

       I am surprised we haven't seen one of those self-demeaning blogs blaming Iranians for worshiping the dead, "Mordeh parasty"!

     DK has some good sense of humor only if his passion for royal history permits!

Darius jan sorry to have opened the floodgates

I wish I had not mentioned the name of Musaddegh. It is all my fault. Now Mosaddeghollahis will not leave you alone. 

Yes Britain could have been the best ally of Iran had it not been for the sham patriotism of Musaddegh and the rest of the Jebeh Melli. British foreign policy is not changed or decided by the British electorate. It is decided by the civil service (remember Yes Minister?). This is why it is a steady policy which nurtures and protects its allies - unlike the unreliable and fluctuating American foreign policy which betrays and disowns its allies.

Re: democratically elected...

 Unlike what we read mainly in western media and also from traitors and decadent communists Tudeh, Rajavi's thugs, Yazdi's murders, Islamists and....Dr. Mosaddeq was not elected by popular vote of people of Iran.

In early 50's,  members of Iranian parliament proposed Mosaddeq to H I M court and subsequently was appointed later as a prime minister by H I M Shahanshah.

Siavash

Dear RG

Why do I get ignored whenever I bring up legitimate issues about Mossagdegh. You choose to get in an argument with DK. But ignore my valid point. Was the PM an elected or appointed position? I know it was appointed therefore no PM was "Democratically" elected. I heard this from when I was a kid and believed it. Then someone showed me how the process worked and I realize it. I am all for unity but may we get the facts right? This is not an insult to Dr Mossadegh.

There are other more serious issues I have brought up many times. Never got a response on them. It is as if I am questioning an Imam or God forbid Mohammad himself!

If we want to have unity we need to both examine the Shah and Dr Mossadegh. For too long their fight has dogged us. Once for all let us do an fair examination of their good and their bad and be done with it. If you are ready I will post my questions. But whenever I did so they went into the "ignore" bin and not one person responded. Not about a single one of them. So much for open debate. One side says "Shah good Mossadegh bad" the other side says the reverse.

RG Jan Don't see How I can "hate" Someone I'm indifferent to

Casablanca: 

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmdijelLwFs

Ugarte ( Peter Lorre ):

"You despise me don't you?"

Rick Blaine ( Humphrey Bogart ):

"Well, if I gave you any thought I probably would

More Here:

CasablancaMovie Quotes

DK Khaan, chashm, man miram...

But before I go, you need to know that your unfortunate obsession and hatred for Mossadegh and by implication what he represented (i.e.the will of the people, regardless of him being appointed or elected, regardless of his policies), is shared by the people whom I know you dislike; namely the islamist regime.

Really this kind of discussion, unless conducted constructively yet criticaly, would play straight into IRI's hands who are frightened of nothing more than a united front of opposition to their rule and rejoice & encourage nothing more than a divided opposition to their fascistic rule.

Now go ahead and dismiss the opposing views by "boro baba", but do us all a favour and at least ponder about what I am telling you here, before attacking rare symbols of democracy and patriotism in the history of our land.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Roozbeh_Gilani Boro Baba To Ham Deegeh !

Go Read More about those troubled times and you will get a better picture of what Iran's so called "Democracy" truly was ...

THE PAST IS A FOREIGN COUNTRY: How Would You Evaluate Iran's Democracy Index in 1953 ?

Democracy is not merely a Constitution and set of rules put on paper.

It's first and foremost a Culture and a State of Mind.

It's not something that takes root overnight.

If the political elite and by far most educated intelligentsia to this day end up with comments like this:

Ebrahim Golestan: "The Shah's Coronation Made Me Wanna Vomit" (BBC)

IRANICAN MOFTKHOR: From a 1/2 "Pahlawi" EYE-RANIAN Coin to why people resist new theories (sic)

Instead of doing their Homework:

HISTORY FORUM: Machiavelli's "The Prince" and the "Art" of Governing

They most probably would have avoided Screwing Up the Whole Country subsequently !

Mossadegh Relied on "Populism" partly unintentionally but partly due to his own inexperience and by surrounding himself with the wrong people notably your communist friends whose Ideas of Democracy was indeed implemented to treacherous means a decade earlier :

pictory: Soviet Propaganda Film - Iran, Tabriz 1945-46

The Shah had his shortcomings but a King was not entitled to be a Democrat not even in Great Britain. Monarchies are by essence at best Benevolently Democratic.

Otherwise you would see Queen Elizabeth and the Royal Families run for Election. Well they don't BUT they are respected. Because in a Monarchy Respecting the Monarch equates to Respecting the Flag of the Country.

That's why despite Ups and Downs the British still shout God Save the Queen.

And are only beginning to consider changing some of their most deeply rooted medieval laws of succession:

British Monarchy To Remove Sexist Rules Regarding Royal Succession

But we expected the Shah to abide to such changes amongst others overnight ?  

That's why I say we were just too hungry in our expectations as a nation. That to me is a sign of political immaturity not wisdom. 

It may be a Crazy idea but it's an idea that works perfectly and not only in Great Britain:

Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index 2010

The problem with you folks is that as always you never took to time to even understand how a State is supposed to operate, hence you jump to expectations which cannot be delivered overnight.

As a result the Minority composed of ignorant ANNTELECTUALS jeopardizes the Future of the Majority who have absolutely no clue of what is at stake and then ends up by crying a river ...

JULIE LONDON - CRY ME A RIVER

I welcome a Healthy debate !

Dear RG

Mossadegh was appointed not elected. You know that don't you? 

//www.mohammadmossadegh.com/biography/

How could an appointed PM be "democratically elected". The constitution made that position up to the Shah. Yes he was popular but it is not possible to be elected to an appointed post. Why do you guys keep repeating the same thing.  We got to be honest with ourselves if we want to move on. 

DK: The false "anti_imperialism" and "patriotism" of IRI..

Is no excuse to attack the actions (right or wrong) of a Democraticaly elected Prime minister, executing the will of nation. In other words, by calling Mossadegh's policies a "menace", you are simply labeling the entire Iranian nation, including yourself as    a menace. 

You might also wish to ponder on the fact  that Mossadegh remains the only truely democraticaly elected representative of our nation, perhaps during the entire 2500 years of our history... 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."