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Hillary Clinton's efforts against child brainwashing

For years a number of individuals have sought to expose Palestinian educators' efforts to teach children to become suicide martyrs.  Hillary Clinton is one such person.      

//www.pmw.org.il/getresults/political/index.html#i214759

FYI/France's Far Right LE PEN Highjacks Gaza Tragedy

Well it seems all Extremists everywhere are highjacking this tragedy for other purposes. Like France's Far Right and Racist Politician Jean Marie Le PEN. His party lost the elections thanks to Sarkozy and now he wants to capitalize on this tragedy for Revisionist purposes and restore his party's lost credibility and win back parlimentary seats.

Does the "Burning of the Reichtag" in 1933 ring a Bell ?

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/01/08/gaza-concentration-camp-says-far-right-politician-jean-marie-le-pen-0

Very sad and sick

This systematic child brainwash is absolutely sick. Those who create such hatred in the hearts and minds of children are not worthy of being called a human and not even an animal, because animals care for the well being of their offspring with much more care than that.

You are right Dariush, the core of the issue is the culture of hate that is created by those who instigate war and death upon one another.   

I would prefer to keep a child secure at home than allow them to be "educated" with such sickness.

FYI/HAMAS TV: Blame The Parents ...

Indeed

It is sad but not surprising.

Dear Zion

I just read the thread!!! I would not have expected differently .

Isn't it amazing that some even deny the statement by students  (which I have provided the link to) as propaganda or now attack the Iranian Muslim students! The same student group that they clapped for when they took over US embassy, but now that they have evolved to learn that they were being used and turned against the regime, they are called as supporters of "Zionists" and being questioned for their views!

After all "revolutions eat their own children" but as Nazanin sings  this was a "regressive revolution" and not an evolution! 

It is amazing how "old hatreds" can make some side with terrorists and Islamic Republic and turn against their own.

Dear D.W.

The college students are younger than Islamic Republic which means they experienced the educational and propoganda system of the Islamic Republic and they have lived it since they were born. This specific group of them actually identify themselves as Muslims.

Despite the censorship within Iran, yet they are more aware and objective about situation in Gaza and Iran than some people who live in the freedom of western countries

On brave Iranian women and men... and the mob

I can't say how much I respect Iranian students and activists who speak without fear inside Iran.
However, unfortunately our "friends" in this website have already stated their displeasure with them:
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/01/06/irania...

The mob is not happy... . :-)

Dear AI

I have mentioned here before too that the extremists on this site (of all kind ) actually do not represent the majority of Iranians who live in Iran and they only represent a small but loud percentage number of Iranians , especially those in diaspora as well as few whose personal benefits are protected by promoting "official views" .

Great Post David

David,

I am very pleased that you posted this particularly in light of our earlier conversation.  Unfortunately, what I am seeing for the most part is people who adopt one side or the other come hell or high water with no regard for truth or what is right.  They say, "I don't care what Israel does I am going to defend Israel," or they say, "I don't care what Hamas does, I am going to defend Hamas."  The are so caught up in the passion of their side that they lack the ability to see things objectively and they look like fools. 

Here we have a group of college students who are making fools out of the so called "seasoned generation."  They may not have received a perfect education in Iran but at least someone taught them the meaning of objective analysis. 

They are right about: anyone

They are right about:
anyone supporting saddam should be condemned.

Dear David

I had no idea. Wow. The funny thing is that most of the Islamic Republic's "defenders" on this site advocate a change from within the system. You would think that people outside the US would be with the students on this yet it is totally the opposite. Good example was Mr. Sadegh's blog from today. Thanks again.

Dear AI

DTV actually is the child of the Islamic revolution which has turned against the regime!!

Here are some info from wikipedia:

Daftar-e Tahkim-e Vahdat, is an Iranian student organization created in 1979, and has been described as "the country's most well-known student organization,"[1] and "Iran's leading prodemocracy student group".[2] Founded in 1979 as a conservative Islamist organization to combat leftist, more secular, student groups,[3] the OSU has evolved to support democracy and reform in Iran [4] and thus is now in opposition to the political heirs of its founders.Originally known as the Office for Strengthening of Unity Between Universities and Theological Seminaries, (Daftar-e Tahkim-e Vahdat-e Hozeh va Daneshgah), according to Iranfocus.com, the OSU was set up by Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti, at a time when Beheshti was Iranian Supreme Ruler Ruhallah Khomeini’s top confidant and a key figure in the clerical leadership. Beheshti wanted the OSU to organise Islamist students to counter the influence of the opposition Mojahedin-e Khalq (MeK) among university students. [3]

The OSU played a central role in the seizure of the United States embassy in Tehran in November 1979. Members of the OSU central council, who included Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as well as Ebrahim Asgharzadeh, Mohsen Kadivar, Mohsen Kadivar, Mohsen Aghajari, and Abbas Abdi, were regularly received by the Ayatollah Khomeini himself. [3] (One of the first political offices held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was as representative of students at his university, Elm-o Sanaat, at the OSU in 1979.[3])

During the crackdown on universities in 1980, which Khomeini called the Islamic Cultural Revolution, Ahmadinejad and the OSU played a critical role in purging dissident lecturers and students many of whom were arrested and later executed. [3]

Sometime around or before the 1997 election of reformist President Mohammad Khatami the group changed its orientation. The OSU was the most important supporter of reformist President Mohammad Khatami in his first term.] However they became critical Khatami as it became clear he was not able to promote democracy in Iran.

In 2001, Ali Afshari, one of the leaders of OSU, was sentenced to five years in jail: four years "for acting against national security by participating in the Berlin Conference, six months for establishing a crisis centre" in the OSU, and "six months for disseminating propaganda against the Islamic Republic of Iran."[5] He and Akbar Atri gave a controversial lecture in a lecture hall in US congress in 2006.

In 2005 the OSU was "divided into two wings" over the question of whether to boycott the presidential election. "The majority 'Allameh' faction" wanted "to withdraw from the political system" and boycott the election, "whereas the minority 'Shiraz' faction" generally favored participation and "operating within the current political framework." [1] In November 2007, Ali Nikunesbati, the spokesman for OSU was detained as part of crackdown on student activists in Tehran. [4]

The directors of the office are annually selected democratically from Iranian University students all over the country. 

Very Interesting David. Thanks!

Do you know how large this organization is compared to other student organizations in Iran?

FYI/Student seems to echo same concerns (youtube)

Don't know if this is a recent video or not but he also says why Ahmadinejad and his government squander Iran's money on the Palestinian cause rather than invest in our poor economy

//es.youtube.com/watch?v=9VXoyJWv5e0