There are fascinating arguments launched by philosophers for believing in existence of a divine being. Ontological Argument brings the most intriguing of such ideas forward.
The word Ontos means existence and the word Logos means reasoning. The argument has grown dominantly in the ideas of Saint Anselm ( British archbishop of Cantenbury 1033 – 1109 AD) as well as in Rene Descartes (French mathematician/philosopher 1596 – 1650 AD). Same ideas are portrayed in world-views of Saint Thomas Aquinas (Italian philosopher 1225 – 1274 AD) and Rumi and Hafiz (Persian philosophers of the 13th and 14th century AD).
But, even such robust ideologies have failed to save us from ourselves. It seems that all these thinkers’ triumph into the realm of supernatural has been wasted in the evanescent mediocre pleasures of the last centuries.
Now, we need to stop and think about the suffering that all this negligence has brought us. In the name of God, nationalism, religion, and race we have vouchsafed continuous atrocities against humanity. We have allowed moral decadence to diminish the purpose of life.
The main question should not anymore be whether God exists. All this reasoning should be focused on Morality. Today, we need to ask what it is that we need to accomplish with us the Human Beings- whether there is a God or not.
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by Anonymous houshang Moinzadeh (not verified) on Mon Oct 20, 2008 07:10 AM PDTکتاب
ظهور
حکایت من و امام زمان
منتشر شد
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مختصری در بارۀ کتاب
افسانهء امام زمان و قصهء ظهور او از هزار و دویست سال پیش با دروغ آشکار مرد رندی بنام عثمان بن سعید عمری از قبیلهء بنی اسد پا گرفت و با پیدایش سلسلهء صفوی به ایرانیان تحمیل شد. از آن تاریخ تا به امروز این افسانه چنان با سرنوشت مردم ایران گره خورده که گشودن آن به سادگی ممکن نیست، مگر به دو صورت :
نخست این که امام زمان ظهور کند تا تکلیف مردم ایران با او روشن شود که خود این امر چه از نظر عقلی و چه از باب شرعی غیر ممکن است. دیگر این که ملت ایران از خواب غفلت هزار ساله بیدار شوند تا بتوانند از چنبرۀ این دروغی که گرفتارش هستند، نجات پیدا کنند.
دو مورد فوق، رئوس مسائلی است که در کتاب «ظهور: حکایت من و امام زمان»به آن پرداخته شده است. بخش مربوط به ظهور که به خرافات مذهبی ارتباط پیدا می کند، به عالم خیال سپرده شده و در قالب یک حکایت تخیّلی ترتیبات لازمهء ظهور فراهم گردیده و امام، ظاهر می گردد تا باورمندان به چشم خود ببینند که در آن صورت چه اتفاقاتی رخ خواهد داد. برخورد و واکنش آخوندهایی که مدعی نمایندگی امام زمان هستند، نسبت به او چگونه خواهد بود.
در بخش مربوط به بیداری و آگاهی مردم نیز با آشکار کردن حقایق تاریخی، نقل و قولها و روایات مکتوب و هر آنچه به نام امام زمان گفته اند، بازگو می شود تا ماهیّت دروغ آنهایی که این امام را ساخته اند روشن گردد. در عین حال، کوشش شده تا راهکار برون رفت از این سرنوشت مختوم نیز در لابلای صحنه های مربوطه ارائه گردد. راهکاری که می تواند الگویی باشد برای نجات مردم ایران از خسارت های ناشی از این دروغ و رهایی از اوضاع وانفسایی که هم اکنون گرفتارش هستند.
این کتاب نیز مانند نوشته های پیشین من به صورت رمان نوشته شده است. با این تفاوت که در این رمان سعی گردیده که میان عالم خیال و دنیای واقعیت پلی ایجاد و راهی جلوی پای ملت ایران گشوده شود. شاید به این طریق بتوان خرافاتی را که در قالب دین و مذهب به ما تلقین و تحمیل کرده اند از باورهای اعتقادی خود دور سازیم. به این منظور، نماد اعتقادی شیعیان به گونه ای که تعریف شده، به صحنه کشیده می شود. یعنی ظهوری که مورد تمنای باورمندان است انجام می گیرد تا عملاٌ نشان داده شود که چارۀ درد مردم ایران ظهور امام زمان نیست، بلکه بیدار شدن و آگاهی یافتن از واقعیت ها و جدا شدن و دوری گرفتن از خرافات است.
با اینکه بسیاری بر این باورند که با خرافات نمی شود به رویارویی خرافات رفت. اما باور دیگر این است که بهترین راه برای خرافه زدایی مردمی که نسل اندر نسل با آن زندگی کرده و بدان خو گرفته اند، بردن شان به درون دنیای تاریک توهمات است تا به چشم خود ببینند که سنگ بنای باورشان بر چه موهوماتی نهاده شده است.
به عنوان مثال، وقتی شریعتمداران مذهب شیعه به ما می گویند که برای ایجاد و گسترش عدل و داد، راهی جز ظهور امام زمان وجود ندارد، یا وقتی به مردم اینطور تلقین می شود که تیره بختی خود را باید تا زمان ظهور بپذیرند و تحمّل کنند و آن را مشیّت الهی بدانند. بایستی به این باورمندان به گونه ای قبولاند که بدون ظهور امام زمان نیز می توان عدل و داد ایجاد کرد و از مزایای آن برخوردار شد، چنانکه در بسیاری از کشورهای دیگر که آنها هم در آئین خود امام زمانی دارند، بدون ظهور امامشان توانسته اند عدل و داد و رفاه و آسایش و امنیت و غیره را برای خود بر پا کنند. پس چرا ما برای داشتن چنین مزایایی که حق و حقوق طبیعی ماست، بایستی منتظر ظهور امام زمان باشیم؟
نگاه ما در این کتاب فقط این نیست که ثابت کنیم شریعتمداران مان تحت لوای دین و مذهب با ما خدعه می کنند و با مشتی خرافات ما را به گمراهی می کشند، بلکه سعی گردیده که به هم میهنان خود راه نجات از اوضاع وانفسای کنونی را نیز نشان دهیم و از آنها بخواهیم که برای بهبود و سلامت زندگی خود به همت و توانایی های خود متّکی باشند، نه این که به امید موهومات بنشینند و منتظر باشند که دستی از غیب برون آید و کاری بکند.
هدف دیگر ما این است که مردم را با این حقیقت آشنا سازیم که آن امامی که قرار است با ظهور خود اوضاع نا بسامان ما را رو به راه و عدل و داد را به ما ارمغان کند، هزار و دویست سال است که ظهور نکرده است. اگر هزاران سال دیگر هم منتظرش باشیم، به هزار و یک دلیل چنین ظهوری انجام نخواهد گرفت. دیگر این که چه کسی به ما تضمین می دهد که با ظهور ایشان اوضاع ما بهبود خواهد یافت؟ مگر ملت ما عملکرد نواب این امام را که پیش از او آمده و به حکومت هم رسیده اند، ندیده اند؟ آنها چه گلی بر سر ملت ما زده اند که بایستی منتظر ظهور امامشان باشیم؟ مگر ندیدیم که خمینی و خامنه ای که هر دو از اعقاب خاندان او هستند و خود را نایبان وی قلمداد کرده اند، با ملت ما چه کردند؟ آیا این درست است که با این تجربهء تلخ همچنان چشم انتظار اجداد این آقایان باشیم؟ تازه این پرسش هم مطرح است که چه کسی به چه مجوزی گفته است که سرنوشت ملت ما به ظهور یک امام زمان عرب وابسته است؟ آیا خدا امام زمان عرب خود را در میان همهء بندگان مسلمانانش فقط برای مردم مملکت ما در نظر گرفته است؟ آیا ملت ایران نیز مانند قوم یهود، ملت برگزیده خدا هستند و به جای ارض موعودی که به قوم یهود وعده داده، به ملت ایران هم یک امام زمان عرب را وعده داده است؟
نهایت این که آیا بهتر نیست به جای متوسل شدن به امام زمان عرب و نمایندگان عرب تبار او، مردم ایران به دنبال کسی یا کسانی بروند که حداقل ایرانی باشند، چون تنها ایرانیان هستند که به فکر سعادت ملت خود می باشند نه بازماندگان اعرابی که برای غارت و چپاول به ایران آمده بودند؟ اینها و بسیار مطالب دیگر در این کتاب مورد بررسی و تجزیه و تحلیل قرار گرفته و آنچه شرط بلاغ است نیز گفته شده است.
لازم به تکرار است که از قرن های پیش، آخوندهای شیعه، سرنوشت مردم ایران را با افسانهء امام زمان و قصهء ظهور او چنان گره زده اند که تا این حضرت ظهور نکند یا ملت ایران بیدار و آگاه نشوند، بخصوص تا وقتی که سایهء شوم آخوندها از سر مردم ایران کم نگردد، جامعهء ایران هرگز راه رفاه و رهائی خود را پیدا نمی کند. بایستی تکلیف ملت ما با این امام و کسانی که خود را نواب و نمایندگان او قلمداد می کنند برای یک بار و برای همیشه روشن گردد. کاری که در عالم تخیّل انجام گرفته ، امید است که در عالم واقع نیز انجام بگیرد.
ای کاش! هم میهنان فهیم ما با دقت این کتاب را بخوانند و در میان دو بخش تخیلات و واقعیت ها و تفکیک آنها از هم، به راهکاری که در این زمینه برای نجات ملت مان ارائه شده است، توجه مبذول دارند. شاید این راهکار و نظایر آن بتواند در رهایی ملت ما موثر واقع شود.
پاریس : مهر ماه 1387 - هوشنگ معین زاده
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by yasaman (not verified) on Fri Sep 26, 2008 09:25 AM PDTl lose my god
"خدا انسان را
MajidTue Aug 26, 2008 03:26 PM PDT
"خدا انسان را نیافرید، انسان خدا را آفرید" ! من شخصا به این معتقدم .
من قویا توصیه میکنم کتابهای هوشنگ معین زاده رو بخونید...... (خیام و آن دروغ دلاویز، آنسوی سراب، کمدی خدایان و آیا خدا مرده است؟)
اگر دسترسی به کتاب فروشی ندارید میتوانید از طریق این آدرس کتاب (ها) رو بخرید
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P.S. They were written an that order, so read them in that order.
The question has never
by TheMrs on Mon Aug 25, 2008 06:32 PM PDTThe question has never really been about the existence of God. Even the most scientific people cannot disprove his existence! The issue is how has he been difined at various points in history. The concept of God changes as society changes. The traditional god of monotheistic religions is becoming increasingly irrelevant in our modern lives. So we are in the process of reinventing him. New religions will emerge.
Humanity will never change. Our cruelty or advancement will be disguised and different at each period in history. But the true moral human being does not exist.
I believe in myself.
Adios
TRUST!!!
by friendly reminder (not verified) on Mon Aug 25, 2008 05:12 PM PDTno one can prove or disprove God. This process of proving is irrelevant to understanding or realization of God's existence.
Even the prophet for those who believe were not able to prove God to the satisfaction of the general audience of their time.
If someone could prove God then we all would have been believers and that would have been self defeating to the purpose of creation, which goes far beyond the material creation. If only the one dimensional man, mortal man, would discover his/her spiritual dimension then no proof would be required but attainment and conformity would become the goal and creation would fruit at that very moment.
This is the process of finding not proving...
Attar and other Persian philosophers provided the path to God and in that path enumerable sign of the Divine Being as provision for the journey of the mortal to the immortal realm.
Rejoice, rejoice in the gladness of thine heart, that thou mayst be worthy to meet Me...
That is only one leg of this process. The other leg says Paaye estedlalian choobin bovad.. only in this context!
As to the question of morality, reward and punishment... what works for the generality is what is practical. Reward and punishment is the basis of social justice in this world, without it there will be injustice.
The same concept applies to who a man is and what material makes the core of his being.
What do we need God? Not all of us think we do, some remain a human being, some become angels and holy ones and some sink into their animal self.
The defining question is what to be-what not to be. In this twilight of animal and spirit I am a man until then.
Mans goodness, powers and senses are all limited to what his portion was at the table of creation and thus its influences are essentially limited, superficial and in the state of constant decline and deterioration. God is the source of that goodness and courage with far reaching positive influences that will endure and is in constant revival as long as we are in touch with that reality or we will RUN OUT of goodness.
You choose to be good so it is conditioned on your choosing, that is not good enough. I have no choice but to be good no ifs and buts you can trust me, I am good.
Tehran's bazar
by Anonypishi (not verified) on Mon Aug 25, 2008 02:53 PM PDTWhole lot of God, zero morality.
There might be superior aliens in the universe who control the human beings; I've got this idea from Babylon Five. Maybe it's scientology.
As an Agnostic, I don't
by jamshid on Mon Aug 25, 2008 02:16 PM PDTAs an Agnostic, I don't reject the possiblity that God exists. I merely believe that I cannot prove or disprove its existence. Even if it exists, I cannot prove what type of god he really is. For example, it could be different than the God of Islam/Chirsitanity/Judism/Bahai by leaps and bounds. It could be like the forces of nature, oblivious to human struggles, it could be incomprehensible, etc.
The point is that it shouldn't make any difference for human beings. But one thing that would bother some people is the question, "if God is not what was taught to me, then what will happen to morality? What I am going to do? I would feel lost!"
However, morality could still stand for human beings, even without believing in God. I think if one chooses good over evil, it shouldn't be due to fear of God or promise of reward, but instead, it should be purely based on wanting to do good deeds and being a decent and good human being, and for nothing else.
And why would a person choose good over evil when there is no God who firmly supports good over evil? The answer is simply, because that person wants to. What more does he need? Wanting "good" in a pure way is what counts most, not fear of hell or promise of heaven or because God said so.
This view liberates me from having to constantly resolve conflictive things by relying on fantastic justifications, or saying things like, "I believe in God and that's that, end of discussion." It also liberates me from fanatism and self-righoutesness.
However, some people are not ready to face their lives without a God that gives them direction, assurance, security, comfort and a firm ground to walk on. I have been there, that's why I can understand them.
I believe in God
by ML (not verified) on Mon Aug 25, 2008 01:19 PM PDTI believe in God.
My reasons are my own and sufficient for me.
I was an agnostic for the first 30 years of my life.
But how do you define morality?
by Mehdi on Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:42 AM PDTI think the whole reason religions and philosophies came about was to define what is right and what is wrong; to explain many phenomena that mankind did not understand. The whole concept of God, divinity, and a lot of others, were put forth in order to define morality, justice and such things. You look at a one month old baby that dies of some medical defect and you ask how is that fair? What is the purpose of that? Who is responsible for that? And a whole lot of similar questions. You work hard for many years and you gradually start to see that there are coworkers who don't work really but get promotions regularly and and sometimes the most undeserving gets the best positions in a company and you don't see how that is just. So a lot of similar issues needed to be answered. And some religions went all over the place in order to answer them.
Science and scientific approach lately has proven a lot of the old ideas wrong but science still has not answered any of these basic questions. And these questions are very important - they cannot really be ignored for long. Lack of answer to such questions has currently put mankind in a position where the whole race could be wiped out by itself (using a few nuclear bombs). There is a real threat that there will be no future for mankind with all of his fancy scientific discoveries! Apparently the US alone has tens of thousands of nuclear weapons ready to be fired! This is a real threat, no matter how hard we try to ignore it. Religions, good or bad, tried and sometimes succeeded, at least partially, to provides some sort of morality in order to give mankind a better chance to continue his evolutionary path.
The most current religion is in fact coming out of what should have been the institutions of scince. Today we are told that we are a bunch of chemical reactions and some electrical impulses that go round and round aimlessly. Millions are given chemical substances, legally, as a solution to their life dilema. We are told we are no different than what we release in the toilet, except that we are "more sophisticated" (but no different) than our own shit! And this stuff is selling like hot cake under a cape of "science." So who is to say that the old religions were worse than what is coming?!
I think it is too early to celebrate the death of the old superstitions. The future could be far worse, if we allow this "scientific" mumbo jumbo be shoved down our throat under the guise of science! We need to be a little more honest with ourselves and admit that the basic questions of life are still un-answered and these are very important questions. They cannot be simply brushed aside as unnecessary.
Khateh Sev'om
by David ET on Mon Aug 25, 2008 08:54 AM PDTقومی متفکرند در مذهب و دین
قومی به گمان فتاده در راه یقین
می ترسم از آنکه بانگ آید روزی
کای بیخبران راه نه آن است و نه این
bajenagh naghi
by Jaleho on Mon Aug 25, 2008 08:37 AM PDTI guess the stuff that make you happy are universal, not just for men. Good food, good sex, and add to that a cup of nice tea like what you have or a glass of wine kenar rood roknabad, makes all men and women happy :-)
cheers.
jaleho jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Mon Aug 25, 2008 08:18 AM PDTthank you for the interesting points that you have written. I am going to study these and if i have any questions i will ask you. i learned a lesson long time ago not to believe or even say that i know something 100%. there is no way that i would know something or to be sure of something 100%. by believeing this i will box myself in the illusion and will close the doors to learning new things from books and others like yourself. as me being happy, i am reasonably happy person but like many of the men friends i have i am happiest after a hot tasty and juicey meal and or sex. what about you? ;-)
bajenagh naghi
by Jaleho on Mon Aug 25, 2008 05:40 AM PDTcouple of things:
first, order coming out of disorder is nothing as strange as it sounds. There must be some Chaos Theory for layman that you can search and find interesting.
Second, notice that you lift Einstein to a GOD level to say that "he said so, so other scientists who are not as SMART should be quiet?"
Third, Einstein more than many other scientists has made it clear that he believes that religion and god all are nonsense!
He has clarified that over and over just becasue many people like yourself who looked up to him specifically ask him that question. From Rabbis who wanted to prove his belief in Judaism to score a point for a superior Jew , to Christians who wanted to say "see he didn't believe in Judaism, but he believed in God and that would be our god!", he refuted the notion in all his writings. Actually, I can not understand that you really read the link you provided (cut everything that the author attributes to Einstein and concentrate only on the BEST stuff he could find to quotes of him to support his idea, and read your link again! In fact, that link does not have the one famous sentence that many people used to say that Einstein believed in god. He had a disagreement with essentials of Quantum theory and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, and referred to his own seldom talked desire for discovering the laws of natural world and to refute the quantum mechanical concepts, he said: "Gods don't play dice". Take that, vs. everything that he EXPLICITLY has written against religion, and you'll get his idea, not what is attributed to him.
Lastly, many people have a happier life and feel stronger believing in a supernatural. That's great for them! I hope you're as happy as your occasional writings indicate.
Bajenaghe Naghi
by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 09:25 PM PDTYou're right...human being model 5,100,008 :-)
Have a good one..
anonymous observer jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Sun Aug 24, 2008 08:53 PM PDTI see your point and i can not answer these important questions. as for god making us so flawed the answer may lie in the fact that we may be the prototype of a better and more improved models to be rolled out beginning in one hundred thousand years. i guess only god knows. ;-)
Bajenaghe Naghi
by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 08:19 PM PDTThanks for the response. That is the fundamental question: where did the order in the universe come from? I do not know the answer to that. But (in my humble opinion) there is a huge leap in not knowing an answer and creating one without any objective proof. In fact, some athiest will argue that human beings' failure to answer that crucial question was the reason behind its invention of religion. Some things that may seem as though they were intricately designed can be explained away rather easily. Take our bodies for example. At first glance, it seems that our bodies are flawless works of art; but in reality, they are perfect examples of evolutionary trial and error, with left over appendages that we don't need (the tail bone for instance), a spinal column that is put in backwards, lenses in our eyes that are put in upside down and genetic disorders that cause catastrophic illnesses or death. If there was really a higher intelligence designing our bodies, it could have done a far better job doing so.
Those are some of the reasons that I do not believe in a higher intelligence.
anonymous observer jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Sun Aug 24, 2008 08:03 PM PDTno two people see god in the same way. having said that i am sorry that i have not read the book you mentioned in your previous posting. i do not know what you think about this but whenever there is order in some thing there happens that some one help to create or form that order. order in one thing may be by chance order in two things may be by chance but it is statistically impossible for so many things that are happening in the universe to happen just by chance. that is why it makes me believe with out any doubt that there must be some higher being that i call god to give order to all that is happening. according to people who have studied albert einstein say that he believed in a higher being.
Bajenaghe Naghi
by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 07:33 PM PDTEinstein did not exactly believe in God in the way that is commonly belived in. He was referring to the order in the universe when he referred to God, and not "God" in the traditional sense. Dawkins (see my comment below) discusses it in much more detail (and much better than me) in his book.
Why we have to prove anything?
by realist (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 07:20 PM PDTWhy we have to prove that there is a god.It does not matter who or what created this universe,just enjoy this life and do the right thing while we are on this earth.Men made god because there were questions that they could not or science can not answer and that is why they came up with god.Another reason for creation of god was so people would have a sense of compassion toward each other and would not,murder, steel, cheat,and commit other crimes and would have have an avenue for their anger.
Co-existance
by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Aug 24, 2008 07:15 PM PDTI think & that's me:
If we all learn to co-exist with one another,regardless of our religious,political,social....views.
If we learn not to force our beliefs upon one another.
If we learn to accept that at this age,for a lot of poeple ,believing in God comes in different shapes & mostly not forced upon us by our religion(like for me,samsam,BN),& they don't need to prove Him to anybody.
Then,this vicious cycle of "to be or not to be",comes to an end.
best wishes
A few words
by Anonym (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 07:15 PM PDTThere was a time when I wasn't sure of God's existence. I decided to be better in life as I got older. My life suddenly changed for the better in the way I wanted. A loved one told me, "See, this is God's doing". I still wasn't convinced.
One day, I woke up and the first thing that I felt in my heart was a pleasant Shock and Awe! How blind I have been! The things that happened were not by chance, they were auspices.
I started reading God's words and became even a better person. The lord God almighty helped me further in my life even more and in such obvious manner that I could not believe it! I become a true believer.
I think some people may or may not have my life's experience, but if you are a good person at heart and keep an open eye for God, you will not need a proof.
Jamshid! This is my 2 cents on God!
by samsam1111 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 07:02 PM PDTAt the risk of being too philosophical I cut it short.I can,t prove it with absolute certainty since your view is not set on my horizon .But God to me is the term I came up with long time ago : The tranparent logic behind absolute being in the universe .Transparent logic is always right & never fails because the process is not observed yet the outcome is always discovered, so it,s the absolute truth. God is neither a force or a mere being but an Existance that is not alive or dead, It was never born & It will never die. So in short in my spiritual view:
An infinite Existance which is The tranparent Logic behind absolute being in the universe of known & unknown
If I could prove it to you with certainty , I would be in UN preaching the world rather than Iranian.com comment section.
Cheers!
souri jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Sun Aug 24, 2008 06:57 PM PDTthe relationship of individuals and god is very personal and each person sees god in a different way. it was very surprising to me to find out that a lot of scientists who i thought would not believe in god in fact did. to start off you son why don't you tell him that even albert einstein with his super human god given intelligence did believe in a higher being. ask him to check this out:
//michaelcaputo.tripod.com/einsteinandgod/
Theosopher, MAIS NON!
by Jaleho on Sun Aug 24, 2008 06:49 PM PDTYou said: "‘Nothing’ comes of nothing."
If everything needs a creator, then who created the creator?
And, matter and anti-matter do come from nothing.
God is the creation of human brain, it has evolved from more primitive forms to more complex forms as human brain has evolved. God will die when literacy and no need for supernatural is reached to a high degree of matuartion. Unfortunately, religion has much more functional use for people than a mere existence of an almighty, in particular for poor and deprived masses. That's why religion is sill a big force despite science proving it absurd.
BN
by Souri on Sun Aug 24, 2008 06:41 PM PDTIf my eldest son hear about the external signs witch prove the existence of God to you, he would tell you that is not God but only the Nature !!!
He believes that people are mistaken the Nature with God ...Of course this is what HE believes. I don't share his opinion.
Respectfully,
Only If You Also Believe in Emam-e-Zaman!
by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 06:34 PM PDTAs Professor Richard Dawkins puts it, the problem with religion is that, unlike scientific theories, it cannot be subjected to any kind of an objective exmination. We simply have to accept it, and therein lies the fundamental flaw. I recommend his book, The God Delusion, to anyone who is interested in the subject. It's a great read. Here he is on the Colbert Report. It's a pretty funny exchange with Colbert:
//www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/video_s...
eradatmand jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Sun Aug 24, 2008 06:36 PM PDTI believe that there is god. not just because my religion tells me there is one but because internally in my heart i can feel the presence of god and externally i can see the presence of god from the time i open my eyes and see the the sun rise and i see the faces of my loved ones and i feel the wind on my face and gaze at the splendor of the sun set and the thousands of the stars that my eyes see and the many millions that my eyes can not see until the time that i close my eyes and see my dreams all night long very deep in my brain. god is all around me both within and without.
Of God
by Anonymous zinzin (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 05:35 PM PDTI
However important it may be for all men to know the Truth, very few, nevertheless, are acquainted with it, because the majority are incapable of searching it themselves, or perhaps, do not wish the trouble. Thus we must not be astonished if the world is filled with vain and ridiculous opinions, and nothing is more capable of making them current than ignorance, which is the sole source of the false ideas that exist regarding the Divinity, the soul, and the spirit, and all the errors depending thereon.
The custom of being satisfied with born prejudice has prevailed, and by following this custom, mankind agrees in all things with persons interested in supporting stubbornly the opinions thus received, and who would speak otherwise did they not fear to destroy themselves.
II
What renders the evil without remedy, is, that after having established these silly ideas of God, they teach the people to receive them without examination. They take great care to impress them with aversion for philosophers, fearing that the Truth which they teach will alienate them. The errors in which the partisans of these absurdities have been plunged, have thrived so well that it is dangerous to combat them. It is too important for these impostors that the people remain in this gross and culpable ignorance than to allow them to be disabused. Thus they are constrained to disuse the truth, or to be sacrificed to the rage of false prophets and selfish souls.
Read more:
//www.infidels.org/library/historical/unknown...
Ooooops !...
by Souri on Sun Aug 24, 2008 05:23 PM PDTAgha jaan, manzoore ma : Ana-al-hagh ...boud !
sorry for the misspelling !
This has been said in Arabic by Mansoor Hallaj in 7th century
kheili bebakhshid :O)
MAIS OUI, SUREMENT!
by Theosopher (not verified) on Sun Aug 24, 2008 05:07 PM PDT‘Nothing’ comes of nothing. There can NOT ‘be’ Nothing. Nothing can not ‘exist’. This is ‘self-contradiction’. Hence there could ‘never’ have been nothing. ‘Something’ can not emerge from nothing. Ergo, there must ‘always’ have been something. Always something ‘existed’. That original something could have been either ‘finite’ or ‘infinite’. Finite means having some ‘limits’ like depth, length and width and/or other existential limitations; and infinite means ‘limitless’ in any existential aspect. Now whether that original ‘thing’ was finite or infinite is something to be discussed in philosophy, i. e. metaphysics (with all the ‘limitations’ regarding our actual limited ‘state of mind’).
As The New Program of Creation unfolds it absolutely leaves no ‘trace’ of a Creator in a direct and evident way, the main reason being that it does NOT ‘need’ to do so. The purpose of the unfolding Program does NOT entail or is in fact in ‘contradiction’ with leaving any trace of an infinitely intelligent Creator. Reality unfolds, as it appears to us, in a perfectly ‘natural and scientific’ manner, so as we are not in need of any other explanation.
As to morality and injustices committed under the name of religion or political forces and its relation to God’s existence, I should say… well…We are in fact asking the wrong question- or rather complaining to the wrong party! Infinite Intelligence is in fact directly ‘responsible’ for designing, implementing and supervising ALL trends of Reality including human history and its minutest particular events, miseries ‘and’ crimes. There is NO ESCAPE from it until it ends…
Enjoy it!