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Eroonman

Did you reach to any conclusion about your blog?

Or maybe the issue that you brought forward was not as important as discussing the Palestinian issue, or that Reza Pahlavi is a human activist but not human enough, or that 'let's talk about anything that doesn't make any difference one way or another'!

i dreamt Ayat Jannati died of heart attack

and i tried to save him by performing CPR by he was declared dead at 81.

some people in my dream said he died so he can ruin the world cup finals celebrations.

july 11,2010 1:20 pm EST

Abarmard: IRI

The issue of IRI is not the same as capitalism or communism or other governments. It is a matter of a system that hates Iran. IRI is an Islamic anti Iranian system. It is Arab inspired. It has a goal of opposing anything that is Iranian. In fact it wants to pervert and corrupt us. It is not a matter of economics or theft. It is a matter of cultural genocide. The Mullahs enjoy killing Iranian youth because they want to destroy the Iranian people.

It is why IRI wanted to prolong the war. Because it wanted to see more Iranian children die. Nothing in the world gives more pleasure to IRI leaders than watching an Iranian die. That is why I oppose them not because of some economic theory. 

Abarmard: Palestinians

You are not responding to my very direct request. I am writing about their hatred of Iranian people. You are writing about  their situation. These are different things.

Palestinians and most Arabs hate Iranians specially the people. This is a fact and has nothing to do with the situation. However Islamists do not want to admit this. They want some fictional "brotherhood". It is not there. It will never be. So once again you are not responding to me. Palestinians sided with Saddam because of race. They betrayed IRI despite the overwhelming support they got from it. This is racism 101. Do they need to come and rape us in person before it is obvious? Think of it they *did* rape us in person. But still you won't admit that the Palestinians by and large *hate* Iranians.

Re: IRI's "foreign threats"

On one side Iranians have to be aware about the foreign threats, and the other must look for changing Iranian lives for better. Policies that take threats away makes sense.

The "foreign threats" to the IRI are mostly the fault of the IRI itself and its penchant for seeking confrontation from the first minute it came to power (taking U.S. diplomats hostage, trying to "export" its revolution and funding terrorist groups in other countries, supporting groups that blew up foreign embassies & barracks and kidnapped foreign citizens, sending its assassins to Europe and elsewhere to kill its opponents). None of this barbarity existed in Iran before the IRI. The only policy to take away these "foreign threats" decisively is regime change.

Assume that we are actively united to lift sanctions and develop economic relations with the country. The power will be decentralized.  

Says who? Who are you kidding? The mollahs and IRGC thieves would monopolize all trade and economic relations with the U.S., as they already do with other countries. I could not think of a worse policy than putting more money in the blood-stained hands of the Islamist goons lording it over the Iranian people. Yeah right, just give them more money and they will give Iranians more rights. Maybe in your dreams...

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

It's really not complicated. I have come to the conclusion about the possibilities and limitations for changing Iran. Data from the past thirty years shows how Iranians have been supporting wrong methods to weaken the Islamic Republic, which in turn hurts the Iranians. I have heard that the regime will change this coming year, every year.

I have come to realize the issue is two fold. On one side Iranians have to be aware about the foreign threats, and the other must look for changing Iranian lives for better. Policies that take threats away makes sense.

I have come to realize that if people in Iran don't think there will be a war, they won't buy the "enemy" propaganda fed to them as easily. Similar to the last election, which did not surprise me, Iranians will do the job if the atmosphere is set properly. The reality is that whether consciously or subconsciously, the support for bringing hardship to Iran and Iranians will work on the opposite end. Similar to Cuba.

On the contrary, if you don't consider yourself a revolutionary, there are then many positive steps you can support in order to move forward. Think of what you can support that can better the life of Iranians today. In this case, you will pass your trust to the people of Iran rather than someone in the US, Iranian or not. You can actually support policies in the US that help Iranians inside the country.

Assume that we are actively united to lift sanctions and develop economic relations with the country. The power will be decentralized. However, because of these wrong policies, we are losing all the diverse thoughts that once existed before the election. Is this good? It's directly related with bad policies that many opposition groups seem to support. I have come to realize that this is wrong.

A good organization with our support will be able to push for lifting sanctions, while promoting our rights objective, such as women's rights in Iran. It will cover the two fold problem mentioned earlier.

About the Palestinians. I believe the discussion has been done before. There are two ways of looking at the situation. Let's only focus on Iranian policy-makers to simplify the issue. Iranian military expenditure is almost non existent. Take the issue of Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria as unification for security rather than human cause. Isn't this the way countries/groups form unification?  Lebanon now for the first time in its history, has the ability to protect its borders. Good or bad is not my debate, but it is a fact. Syria has been able to establish a system that otherwise would not be easily manageable if they did need the West. And Iran has been diverting wars for having this alliance.

Regardless of who likes what system, they have their logic behind it. If anyone agrees with Monarchy, Communism, Islamic Republic, Republic, Democracy, and etc., no one perceives their desired system based on failed data but rather the section that works well for their purpose. It's therefore wrong to belittle anyone by calling them names if they support a specific political ideology, even if it is the Islamic Republic. More on this later.
Happy Sunday.

Abarmard

First of all: I am not setting USA policy. My preference is to generate business between USA and Iran.To do so we need a reasonable government in Iran. One that wants to build bridges between nations not stone people like the jackasses in IRI.  In my opinion IRI should not be ruling Iran at all. It will fail; mostly due to the stupidity of AN. I was in the process of setting up a US Iran business to ship jobs there once Obama removed the sanctions. Thanks to AN cheating that is off the table now. Who gets hurt: Iranians and the idiotic IRI. Where do the jobs go: India and China. Where should they have gone: Iran. Now AN's  removal of the food and oil subsidies is the final moronism. That will make people so mad that it will break the IRI once for all.

Second: it is very possible for a non Muslim to be an Islamist. The perfect one is Jimmy Carter. That man is a Christian however he does more to support the Islamist cause than anyone in the world.

Third: Will you respond to my question regarding the Palestinian racism against Iranians? Please :-) Why don't you admit they hate us or at least a lot of them do. Why did they side and in big numbers with Saddam when  IRI did so much for them.

Once IRI is gone I will set up my business in Iran. You will see how we the diaspora will ship jobs to Iran. That will fix the economy and help Iranians. No thanks to people who support the anti Iranian dumb ass IRI right now for no good reason.

No regime change has come

No regime change has come about without an external factor. IRI came to power with the Leader of the revolution and its founder in exile for 14 years in Iraq and then France under the protection of those governments. Khomeini's top advisors were all based outside Iran (Ebrahim Yazdi, Qotbzadeh, and Bani Sadr)--as well as Mostafa Chamran and many, many others. Khomeini used the Western media (BBC, French, etc) as the perfect tools for broadcasting his message to Iran and the world. In fact, Khomeini and his followers very much fanned the flames and made sure that no solution could be reached short of Khomeini coming to power. Why did Islamists not say then that those who lived abroad and their foreign backers "should not interfere"? These people worked with foreign governments and entities to effect regime change.

Fantastic  rebuttle though Abarmard and co are not really interested in facts and evidence. 

 Thanks Amir for taking on deeply hypocritical Jihadist Islamists...

The Shia Al-queda or Talaban of IRI exposed:

//www.juancole.com/2010/07/asadi-on-iran-todays-internal-affairs-tomorrows-global-impact.html

Pastor bill redneck:

It looks like you have already been personally blasted in the church you go to.  May the catholic prist have mercy on you.

Mehrdad

Mosht nemoonehye kharvar

This is why you should think twice about NIAC.

Abarmard

Really! You don't say.

How can there be any changes if there are no words "against" it? And why not try and use sanctions in a direction that will benefit the people the most?

Let's do it? That is it? Yeah. gather around people, get your shovels and whatnots and let's get down  to it.  Is That all that your famous mantra of "let's empower the people in iran" Boils down too?

Doctor, That's great news

Let's change it then. It's a better way to sit and pray that the system will be weakened by sanctions and our words against it. I am with you. let's do it.

VPK it's hard for a non Muslim to be Islamist, right?

Your lack of realization has blinded you to realize what works and still sticking to the same old policies that hasn't worked, and actually strengthened the faction that shouldn't be ruling Iran any longer! Good for you. You are hopeless and giving up, therefore bitter and can't see friend Vs. enemy. That's what you need to resolve. Hope you'll find your way.

Abarmard

What is at the center of it all is the issue of What the system is all about and what it represents and whether or not that representation is what people consider as righteous and validate it as such.

 You can go on and on saying it is all about what the people want but you  i guess intentionally turning a blind eye on the fact that it has already happened and it has been spelled out. What more proof do we need? What more needs to be done? All the necessary alignments have been crafted out and shaped within this past year or so. Why are you still pretending that you don't see what is happening?

Of course no two countries in the world would have the exact same set up and there will be for sure some differences in minute details, but that hardly if ever changes the totality of the situation. WHat is right is right and there ain't going around it. The "desire" is there.

Sister Marjaneh and side kick BaWafa equus Ardebilanus ,

Thank you for your kind remarks! I'll be preaching at my church tomorrow. Why don't you stop by and I will personally bless you?

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature...

May lord Moses protect you!

Bavafa - I shall show mercy

That must have been a clerical error.

If you don't want to be outside the homicidal nutters ' garden, as the landscape artist, I shall show mercy and grant you another position.

I shall show mercy! *

"I still have my own teeth. 'Just can't remember where I've put them."

*Please, read the small print where it says  "upon payment and in full consideration that her dictatorship has a penchant for platinum ". Thanks.;)

Amir

Talking to Abarmard is a waste of time. He sounds good initially. Intellectual and sane. But under the surface he is absolutely an Islamist. Dyed in the wool as bad as the rest. I am still waiting for him to respond to me about Palestinians anti Iranian racism. Of course he won't because order's from Ghom say he should not.

Abarmard being a good Islamist team player would never go against Ghom talking points. So why waste your time!

Abarmard

No regime change has come about without an external factor. IRI came to power with the Leader of the revolution and its founder in exile for 14 years in Iraq and then France under the protection of those governments. Khomeini's top advisors were all based outside Iran (Ebrahim Yazdi, Qotbzadeh, and Bani Sadr)--as well as Mostafa Chamran and many, many others. Khomeini used the Western media (BBC, French, etc) as the perfect tools for broadcasting his message to Iran and the world. In fact, Khomeini and his followers very much fanned the flames and made sure that no solution could be reached short of Khomeini coming to power. Why did Islamists not say then that those who lived abroad and their foreign backers "should not interfere"? These people worked with foreign governments and entities to effect regime change. What Iranians abroad can do is to support sanctions and actions that will deprive the IRI of the oil money and other funds that it uses for repression. This line of "no interference" is a ploy used by the IRI and its supporters to prolong its rule, since the IRI itself has no problem interfering in Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon, etc and sending its assassins to Europe and elsewhere to murder its opponents. 

AMIR1973 Issue is not what I want

But what we in another country can do. Your arguments are valid to certain point. Iran is not setup similar to those regimes as you use in your example. Actually I would not agree that there are not progressive individuals within this system.

The main concept here is who aligns herself with the current objective and be supportive. Let people and the inside struggles open the path for rights and if people desire, regime change.

That's not for you and I to decide, unless you are directly participating.

It was an interesting discussion. Enjoy rest of your weekend.

Marjaneh:

As our future dictator, please do with me as you wish only please not to put in the same bunch as Pastor Bill Redneck.

I am highly allergic to rednecks and your act would be considered a grand torture committed against me in my book.

Mehrdad

Pastor whatsits and Bavafa

Under my dictatorship, all religious extremist crackpots including homicidal pastors are given a huge garden to roam in.

Bavafa as the landscape gardener will have the choice of planting, as many Darlington Californicas, to his/her heart's desire, if so inclined, of course.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlingtonia_%28Sarra...

Btw, Pastor, whilst you and the other lot want to kill each other, please, try to spare a thought for sane and civilized people and don't put them in the firing line. Thanks in advance.

"I still have my own teeth. 'Just can't remember where I've put them."

Abarmard

Khomeinism is no more compatible with democracy and fundamental freedoms than Leninism or Baathism. Do you not see that? That is a logical and realistic view based on over 3 decades of historical experience. In a fundamental sense, it would have been a mistake, in my opinion, for Russians and Iraqis to attempt to "reform" their existing political systems (though the Russians at least tried), because it would have been impossible for "reform" to lead to a situation of democratic rights. If the objective is to achieve democratic rights in Iran, then it must ultimately involve regime change. People are free to work with whomever they like--it is their choice, but what has been achieved in IRI in terms of greater rights after 31 years? What women's  and other rights were advanced under Khatami? Many people worked with the "elected president" and the IRI's pseudo-parliament in the 1990s and early 2000s and what was achieved? Having the hostage takers' spokeswoman, Masoomeh Ebtekar, as vice president of this or that? That's progress? It's funny that the most supposedly "reactionary" elements in the U.S. (e.g. Sarah Palin "types") are 10 times more "progressive" than the IRI's so-called "reformists"? What does that tell you about the system currently in place in Iran? 

Reforms does not mean reformists

People who match your objectives can/should be used to further your cause. You can always align yourself with those who are running parallel with your ideas and get away when they depart.

No reason to be fanatic about anything. It's most important to be logical and in your steps know what the objective(s) is(are). Certainly at some point the system had allowed an image of diverse political thoughts.

If utilized perhaps some important laws could have passed. I recall Khatami promoting women judges and presidents. Nothing wrong to all agree and use his interpretation of the constitution to further our rights for our women. Only a fanatic would pass these kinds of opportunities.

To me who lives here, who is safe, and who will not be in jail is best to promote what can be higher level of rights for people. If people want revolution and are willing to die for it, who am I to say anything about it?

I can't revolt here, but can access channels such as NIAC to promote rights in Iran.

Abarmard

most the traditional entities are fine with the regime

same went for the Shah (remember the Pahlavi regime was in power longer than the current regime has been); same went for the USSR and Eastern bloc countries.  

The possibility to reach another revolution that can bring the masses on street was missing, unlike 1979.  

the possibility was missing under the Shah too for 37 years, until the possibility became...possible. BTW, I didn't talk about revolution necessarily, I talked about regime change. 

Many Iranians began to take another path. 

The "reformist" path? Mousavi, Rafsanjani, and Khatami were in power from 1981-2005--a real era of reform for the IRI and a true "path", huh? 

What else can be done? 

In my opinion: regime change. Strangulate the IRI and then kill it. De-Khomeini-ize and de-Islamistisize Iran like Germany was de-Nazified. Everyone has an opinion, and that's mine.  

AMIR1973

Going to 20th anniversary of Islamic Republic I began to think that attacking the system will not weaken it as most the traditional entities are fine with the regime. The possibility to reach another revolution that can bring the masses on street was missing, unlike 1979. Many Iranians began to take another path. It was then that I became confused :) I still am. What else can be done?

Number 2 is the default option

Like a skilful thriller writer you have left us in suspense as what the option 3 could be. The sceptic in me thinks that your plot may have never meant to have a third option!
A well-written and polished blog but I am afraid it hasn’t added anything to my education.

P.S. Marjaneh: Pastor Bill is  just a tormented soul in need of help

HUH????

lets get real, Iran is not "special" nor does it have a halo around it.

we are in a neighborhood of the most backward nations.

maybe we ought to come to this realization that we ain't that different from them...

then we can love ourselves for what we are and move on without all this freedom bull crap that we think Iranians yearn for!

Wow factor

I glanced at the long article, then saw this:

"Given Moussavi was merely Larry the stooge candidate approved by Khamenei to run against Mo. Certainly, admit it, Moussavi was by no means a Peach"

then I called it quits!

Yet another aLEX jONES TYPE wacko!!!

Wow factor

I glanced at the long article, then saw this:

"Given Moussavi was merely Larry the stooge candidate approved by Khamenei to run against Mo. Certainly, admit it, Moussavi was by no means a Peach"

then I called it quits!

Yet another aLEX jONES TYPE wacko!!!

continued

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Houshang Asadi is a journalist. He was imprisoned during the Shah’s rule where his cellmate for nine months was the current Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei. In 1983, after the Islamic Revolution and following the Iranian government’s crackdown on all opposition parties, Asadi was arrested and imprisoned in Tehran. He was kept in solitary confinement for almost 2 years, during which time he was severely tortured until he falsely confessed to operating as a spy for the British and Russian intelligence agencies. His memoir, Letters to My Torturer: Love, Revolution and Imprisonment in Iran, has just been published by Oneworld Publications

The world is finally waking up...

Since 9/11, a force rising from the depths of bygone eras to challenge the West has been busy recruiting supporters among Muslims throughout the world. This force derives its strength more from ideology than from money and guns.

The leading ideologues of this Islamic revivalism offer a fundamentalist reading of Islam that divides the world into two clear-cut camps: divine and satanic. For them, Western civilization, with its deep roots in humanism and liberalism, is the manifestation of evil par excellence. Bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda is usually credited as the main militant representative of this view, which is grounded in the Sunni branch of Islam. However, as the post-election events in Iran might have indicated, the Iranian regime also favours the aforementioned world-view, which puts Shi’a fundamentalism next to Taliban ideology; whereas the latter manifested itself in the destruction of the Buddha statutes in Bamyan, the former has these days masterminded the “disappearance” of a few bronze statutes of national, secular heroes in the streets and public parks of Iran. The fact that the stolen statutes were all post-revolutionary installations, with one in particular being the statute of Shahriar, the favourite poet of Iran’s supreme leader, illustrates the extent of shared ideology between the Taliban of Afghanistan and their Iranian half-brothers.

In fact, what we are witnessing right now in Iran is a hard-fought battle between the liberal and fundamentalist readings of Islam. Just over a century ago, the Iranian Constitutional Revolution, the first of its kind outside the West, collapsed when it came face to face with the fundamentalist reading of Islam. What followed was a compromise between the two aforementioned readings, which resulted in the formation of a secular state with a nod to the rulings of a sharia-compliant constitution. The self-contradictory nature of this constitution would later give birth to the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

Since its inception, the Islamic Revolution has sought to suppress civil society by replacing civil law with sharia law as the legal basis of the Iranian society. But the long-lasting conflict between liberal-minded clergymen and their fundamentalist colleagues has only surfaced recently as Ayatollah Khomeini’s successor, Ayatollah Khamenei, has taken drastic measures to turn the ‘Islamic Republic’ into the ‘Islamic Caliphate’.

There are now two distinct camps in Iran. The first faction is composed of Shi’a fundamentalists who support Ayatollah Khamenei. Khamenei’s views have three major influences: First, the ideas of the Muslim Brotherhood, who are generally seen as the founding fathers of Islamic fundamentalism in modern times. Before the 1979 Revolution, Khamenei personally translated into Persian from the original Arabic the important works of the leading intellectual of the Brotherhood, Sayyed Qutb. Qutb’s views, especially his profound hatred of the West, are easily discernable among Iran’s ruling clergy today.

The second group that has influenced Khamenei is known as Fadā’iyān-e Islam (devotees of Islam), the first followers of the Muslim Brotherhood in Iran led by Mujtaba Navab-Safavi, who carried out some of the earliest acts of religious terrorism in modern Iran. Khamenei has repeatedly referred to Navab-Safavi as his role model in politics. That he has named his eldest son Mujtaba might be an indication of Khamenei’s admiration for this man.

The third sphere of influence is a group known as Hujjatiyeh Society, which sees as its mission to pave the way for the reappearance of the Mahdi, the 12th Shi’a Imam, who is believed to have gone into a millennium-old occultation and whose ultimate return in the End Times is expected to bring peace and justice to the world. Recently it has been revealed that each Wednesday, Khamenei visits Jamkaran, a well in the city of Qum that is regarded by many Shi’as as the hiding place of Mahdi. Eyewitnesses have reported that Khamenei has been seen in a state of deep prayer, allegedly communicating with the Hidden Imam.

The members of the second camp see themselves totally at odds with the other faction whose views and actions they regard as nothing short of catastrophic for Iran’s future. The vast majority of the country’s intellectuals, the middle class, the youth and a significant portion of those who work in “the system”, belong to this second camp, and are collectively referred to as the Green Movement. From the perspective of the Shi’a fundamentalists, the members of this movement are no better than infidels. As such, they can be imprisoned, tortured, raped etc.

The outcome of the ongoing power struggle between these two opposing factions carries great significance not just for Iran but for the international community. A victory by the Iranian “Taliban” will take Iran on a downward spiral and would place the country’s wealth and geopolitical powers entirely at the disposal of those who believe Islam’s global hegemony is possible through violent jihad, which is why they wish to secure nuclear capabilities. Bearing in mind that Iran has long served as a source of inspiration for many social and ideological movements in the region, it becomes clear how critical is the outcome of the battle between these two camps in Iran for the country, the region, and the world at large.

//www.juancole.com/2010/07/asadi-on-iran-todays-internal-affairs-tomorrows-global-impact.html