Did the Shah's Savak offer covert aid to the Shia Cleric establishment against the Iranian Bahai Community?
Exposure of Documentary evidence since the Islamic revolution of 1979 spports this.
see video:
also see more indepth documnetary evidence in below:
//www.bultannews.com/fa/news/53660
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VPK I get what you are saying,
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 01:23 PM PDTAnd I don't agree . You should have more knowledge about shah not ever using absolute power.
به امید روزی که ابرهای نفرت و بی تفاوتی و ظلم و ستم کنار روند
Amir Sahameddin GhiassiTue Nov 01, 2011 07:37 AM PDT
با امید اینکه که دزدان و غارتگران بین المللی و ّپادوها ملی و محلی شان مردم مارا در انتخاب دین و روش زندگی آزاد بگذارند و با زورچپان کردن مردم کشورهای مارا به بند نکشند و از دینهای و مکتب های اجتماعی مانند حربه ای برای به زنجیر کشیدن مردم ما سو استفاده نکرده و جهل خرافه و تعصب را مورد بهره برداری قرار ندهند؟
"Tayyeb" as the biggest khomeini promoter
by Siavash300 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 07:36 AM PDT"Before shah published that stupid article in Etelaat, no
one even knew of Khomeini" Mash Ghasem
Tayyeb and his people (Nocheh) have been marked as the most organized, well paid criminal gang in southern Tehran. Criminal activity consisted of extortion from small business in Ghebleh square (Maydon-e-Gheble).
Khomeini had frequent contacts with Tayyeb at Keramat cafe (tea shop) in southern Tehran back in 60's. Tayyeb contribution to Khomeini became famous is undeniable. The gang members along with ex-prostititutes (Neshandeh-e-Tayyeb) from Jamsheed street adjacent to shahr-e-no played major role in riot and unrest in 2 cities of Qum and Tehran on 10 Khoradad 1342. The riot leaded khomainie to exile. SAVAK put Tayyeb in silent.
In 1979, there was a rumor that Mohsen Rezaie the commander of revolutionary guard was a son of late Tayyeb Rezaie. Khomainie appointed him as a head of the revloutionary guard to show his appreciation from late Tayyeb for making him famous.
Mr.Gilani
by darius on Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:36 AM PDTThanks for the info . I did all my fight with mash ghasem and feel much better . Hard economical time, needed to save up on shrink fees
and prescription. Time to stop.
Thank you Iranian .com and mashghasem.lol
Mr.Gilani
by darius on Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:35 AM PDTThanks for the info . I did all my fight with mash ghasem and feel much better . Hard economical time, needed to save up on shrink fees
and prescription. Time to stop.
Thank you Iranian .com and mashghasem.lol
"Khomeini's secret: SAVAMA is Shah's SAVAK"
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:14 PM PDTDear Darius: I did not claim all SAVAK members joined SAVAMA. But inside Iran it is accepted fact and there is plenty of evidence that SAVAK is alive and kicking under the new name of SVAMA, and in service of islamist regime;
here a few proof points for you:
Khomeini's secret: SAVAMA is Shah's SAVAK
also:
‘SAVAMA is SAVAK without any change in structure. They just replaced some of the chiefs......Tabatabai, who claims he has good sources on the situation in Tehran, says that SAVAMA’s organization ‘is almost a carbon copy’ of SAVAK’s, with nine bureaus. These, he said, cover personnel, collection of foreign intelligence, collection of domestic intelligence, surveillance of its own agents and security of its own agents and security of government buildings, communications, finances, analysis of collected intelligence, counterintelligence, and recruitment and training.”
//www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/savak.htm
Tabatabai, a former iranian embassy press attache under shah, who exposed the strong links between Shah's SAVAK and islamist regime's SAVAMA was later killed by an agent of the islamist regime who is now happily living in Iran, with an Iranian wife and in full employment of no other than "PRESS TV"...
Also please read on general fardoost.
Immediately after the 1979 Revolution that overthrew the monarchy, it was rumoured Fardoust had "defected to the other side, handing over crucial files, and transformed SAVAK into SAVAMA" (Sazman-e Ettela'at va Amniat-e Melli-e Iran), the new secret security organization of the Islamic Republic[3][4] later renamed the Ministry of Intelligence.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Fardoust
I hope it explains.....
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
I told you earlier....
by darius on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:30 PM PDTI told you , I did not bother reading the article , it had no value .But you spend your time finding all kind of big names and finding as many as mohre namaz to throw at me.
Chill, it is ok, if you called mash ghorban Farmandar nezami esfehan no harm down , he is not alive to do a damn thing.
Just smile, if you are planing to go another round of calling names , have your phone handy to call 911.
Serriously itis shameful to do this in a civil society.Yes we should stop.Lets shake hand.
No more comment .
And underpaid,
by Mash Ghasem on Mon Oct 31, 2011 09:52 PM PDTAnd then some.
But you're right. Thou Shall Chill.
mash ghasem
by darius on Mon Oct 31, 2011 09:30 PM PDTI never thought , how easy is to play a man with such a wisdom..lol
calm down, I am playhing with your brain. you are over worked
lol
You bring down obtusness to new lows
by Mash Ghasem on Mon Oct 31, 2011 08:39 PM PDTOf course you don't need to read it. You've never needed to read anything in you life, you just KNOW.
You even don't know the name of the groups and organizations that Bahai s have ben active in, but you just KNOW that Bahai's weren't involved in the opposition.
You don't have a clue, who Mr. Majid Khoshdel is, or his project in documenting regime intelligence work, but you KNOW it has no value.
All this wisdom!
mash ghasem
by darius on Mon Oct 31, 2011 08:26 PM PDTAs usual your high arrogance, correspondes to your level
by Mash Ghasem on Mon Oct 31, 2011 08:03 PM PDTof awareness: low, very low, extremely low. There's an inverse relation there.
Mr. Majid Khoshdel and his interviews are not my life story, but efforts of a man that has been documenting these facts before you were born.
I don't have to prove squat to you or your type. You people have been infiltrated so deep and wide, it's beyond hope. Too bad your allergic to reading a whole text like the interivew posted below, otherwise you would have found out just how extensive vezarat eteleaat has its agents planted amongst your type.
P.S. Just glanced you second comment, and it looks like you can't even read persian. The name in the interview is Jaan Ghorban, not Mash Ghorban. Just how obtuse can you get?
Was it Mash Ghorban or General Naji?
by darius on Mon Oct 31, 2011 07:40 PM PDThere is a paste and copy of the article:
Shortly before midnight this date in 1979, Iranian royalist Generals Mehdi Rahimi, Reza Naji, Manuchehr Khosrodad, and Nematollah Nassiri were shot in a Tehran school courtyard after a snap trial by the newborn Iranian revolutionary regime.
this is the link to the news, General Naji .
//www.executedtoday.com/tag/iranian-revolution/
Mash Ghasem
by darius on Mon Oct 31, 2011 07:34 PM PDTFarmandar nezami was a memebr of Iranian Royal Army not Savak member. Are you saying Farmandare Nezami esfehahan name was Mash Ghorban?(lol)
Dear Mash Ghasem ,no matter how credible you might be, your story
does not prove any thing( I need to check on mash ghorban). When a Bahai can get their hand on Savak papers, Mojahedin can steal IRI nuclear document, I have no doubt , there must be some thing to prove such a claim. The opposition could not just let such a important matter stay secret and wanted to use it so badly.
I need solid proof, he said , she said , is not a proof.
Thanks for sharing your life story .
Darius I can prove its nonsense.
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Mon Oct 31, 2011 07:22 PM PDTI have met many former savaki's they left Iran and started a tough new life with just the shirts on their backs. Truth is an inconvenience if the basis for ones positions is just ogdeh. And ogdeh is what we got plenty of on iranian.com
ساواکیها با حکم استخدامی آزاد شدند
Mash GhasemMon Oct 31, 2011 06:36 PM PDT
اطلاعاتی های زندانی ی زمان شاه با حکم استخدامی آزاد شدند. مثال می زنم:
من در سال ۶۱ در زندان اصفهان بودم. در آن سال تمامی ساواکیها و ارتشی ها
آزاد شدند، از جمله آخرین فرماندار نظامی اصفهان، به عنوان مسئول آموزش
بسیج استخدام شد...
* اسم اش چی بود؟
- «جان قربان» که از اعضاء ساواک بود...
* اینها را شما چطور می شناختید؟
-
در سال ۵۲ اطراف خانه ما به مدت سه ماه محاصره بود. تعدادی از این افراد
به طور شبانه روزی در محل بودند و ساواک هم روزی یکی دو بار به آنجا سر می
زد. یکی از گروهبانها که به ما خبر می داد؛ آقای [...] بود که اینها در سال
۶۱ زندانی بودند و تمام آنها با حکم استخدامی آزاد شدند.
//www.goftogoo.net/index.php?submenu=&id=180
With all due respect...Mr Gilani
by darius on Mon Oct 31, 2011 06:26 PM PDTOne last time
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Oct 31, 2011 06:06 PM PDTDictator does not mean oppressor or criminal. It just means someone who have absolute power. Many dictators were benevolent. Both Shah and Reza Shah were benevolent dictators: got it or do I need explain the obvious.
VPK, DK see all the deeply happy smiles of the workers
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Mon Oct 31, 2011 04:31 PM PDTThis video I found on Farahs site is the Pride of Irans Monarchists. So much for those that portray Irans late king as an oppressor of his people instead of a liberator. He defended iran from western neocolonialsim and made Iran independent with their full opposition.
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3704138987...
One reason I don't appreciate any iranian lying through their teeth and calling the shah an oppressor of the people he was serving (yes you know that's exactly what a dictator is) is that it undermines yet another much more important truth.
Not only was the shah a moderniser and liberator, but it was the USA/UK/France & Israel that played win/lose with all Iranians, when Iranians and the shah were playing win/win with them. That the mistake was and is theirs and that they can deny the truth for the next 100 years and say they never made a mistake, but the truth is, they did. They are at complete fault and not even they are going to want to hold the bag of this failed plan if IRI gets nukes and is no longer containable.
The answer to that would be Shah helped build Iran
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Mon Oct 31, 2011 03:45 PM PDTThese Mullahs then came and took over the entire country and mismanaged and abused everything, which was always the plan, criticize the shah with propaganda to divide and rule. Savak was an essential service and will be necessary in the future too. Savak, had a far better record and history regarding human rights than all other leading countries. It's not the way you put it, which says more about you in that it conceals your own agenda, not objectivity.
There were problems inequalities due to a rapid rise with a deficit of management. There were issues of
corruption, though unlike the extent we see in the west. But the Shah's team and Irans government showed it was able to achieve things that no
previous Iranian government had ever done, and in so many fields.
Iran as a monarchy was among the
first-rank powers in advanced economy, education & military. The reality was every 5 years the overwhelming majority of people lives were getting better. Sadly many of irans top people had to leave due to the nonsense people like you were remorselessly spewing out. The truth is the real oppressors, the real dictators, the real injustices were carried out by those that betrayed the shah and iran. And the youth in Iran know this.
The people in this video had the best times of their lives in the 70's their dreams were destroyed, irans future as destroyed and its totally understandable that no one wants to hold the bag for the 79 coup, and we see so much blame for the shah. It's not just sad that it happened as much as people don't take full responsibilty for it and correct their actions.
Mash/Roozbeh enjoy. This happened despite you.
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3704138987...
The real question should be
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:49 PM PDTIf there are any areas where Shah's SAVAK did not help the Shia Cleric establishment?
I mean the entire SAVAMA was built using SAVAK personnel and facilities. The f**ing islamo fascist murderers are still using the same torture chambers built by SAVAK (Evin) to rape, torture and kill Iranian men women and children.....
As for Bahai's persecution under Islamist regime, it is a common characteristic of all fascist Dictatorships, from the more competent, (e.g. Nazi Germany) to utterly incompetent (Islamic So called "republic"), to attempt to rally the masses behind itself, trying to divert attention from it's own failures, by blaming some racial, religious minority for all ills of society.
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
Amirparviz
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:23 AM PDTDidn't I tell you there are REAL Pahlavi haters out there. You blame me for minor criticisms. But there are people who refuse to give Pahlavi any credit for the obvious good they did. All because of great Saint Mossadegh.
And I thought you were leftist insider MG!!
by Roger_Rabbit on Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:13 AM PDTان توده ها ، به ویژه صاحب کاران خرده بورژوا برخوردار است و با امکاناتی که برای فعالیت نسبتاً آزاد سیاسی دراختیار دارد ، ازشانس بی سابقه ای برای پیروزی برخوردار است .
//libra61.blogfa.com/8611.aspx
میهن جزنی، همسر بیژن، در مصاحبه با رادیوفردا می گوید بیژن جزنی آمدن خمینی را پیش بینی کرده بود
//ettelaat.net/05-05/news.asp?id=6093
Mash, don't you dare change your thoughts, don't let any one
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:53 AM PDTinfluence you at all. I need the medicine more than Iran needs clear thinking people.
Please tell me, what do you think about the change in the legal status of women during the shah's years as king? Was it a step towards greater democracy and liberalism or did it destroy the great, rich and advanced democracy we had perfected?
MG You are sooo funny. Because it's eau natural not intentional
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:40 AM PDTI couldn't stop laughing at your last post, in part because like you, I'm in need of anger management therapy but for the exact opposite reason. Look I have found that there are times when even laughter "the best medicine" just isn't enough. And that's a signal to you that now is the time for shopping. This one works for me //www.victoriassecret.com/sleepwear/lingerie it has everything I need for me and my dearest to distract my mind and express my emotions in a smarter way. Another really cool hobby is //www.ztrack.com/AZL/amerzlines_GS3_4.html
Regarding your comment, its like you are blaming the head coach of football team for the errors of the goalie, the captain, the defenders and the strikers, he's the coach/an arbiter/ not a one man show/a micromanager/ the constitution denied him absolute power infact some of his players could and did stick it to him, there was a team in place whether you chose to see them or not. What you don't see is without this coach, things would be a hundred times worse, like they were infact before he participated.
I know you believe Iran was one of the most advanced democracies in the world (when the gdp $200/year, literacy was 7% and we were a feudalistic society all of which he inherited at 18 years of age) and that shah was the problem, that's what makes your posts so funny to read. They vindicate him infact that this is the society he was dealing with everyday.
Cheers and Cheer Up, If Shah was alive I'm certain he would forgive you.
There is not a shred of bias in my judgment, all objective
by Mash Ghasem on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDTand documented.
The monarchy beginnning with that coup in '53, and all the consequent events, cooperating with Kashani, creating of SAVAK, helping Hojatieh, creation of Hezb Rastkhiz, through an amalgamtion and accumulation of all these historically documented betrays, creat an incredible trap for Iranian people, that was simply impossible to escape. Yes shah wasn't the only one responsible , but he takes majority of the responsibility and blame for Khomini and IR.
MG
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Oct 31, 2011 09:26 AM PDTYou are being really unfair. I mean yes Shah did somethings wrong. Many things wrong but it was not all his fault. No single person bears the whole responsibility. You are having your hatred cloud your judgment.
monarchy and shah' responsiblity in bringing IR and Khomeini
by Mash Ghasem on Mon Oct 31, 2011 09:19 AM PDTcoming to power.
-From 1953, overthrowing Mossadegh with aid of Kashani
-Savak
-Assisting Hojatieh
-Hezb Rastakhiz
-And last but not least, promoting and making Khoemeini a household name in Iran, with that stupid letter in Ettelaat.
Time to step up and own it, buddy. Don't blame anyone except your shah and his stupid monarchy.
P.S. The only ones who knew him were leftovers from early 60's and some who had read Al Ahmad's book on intellectuals. On a national, mass level he was not a known figure. Obviously this minor handicap was greatly helped when shah ordered the publication of that letter in Etelaat, and thus making sure Khomini became a known natioanl figure
That letter in Etelaat needs a blog by itself.
Khomeini was well known to the "masses"
by Roger_Rabbit on Mon Oct 31, 2011 08:34 AM PDTShah as the biggest Khomeini Promoter
by Mash Ghasem on Mon Oct 31, 2011 06:44 AM PDTFor daruis: NO ONE IN THE WORLD IS MORE RESPOPNSIBLE FOR PROMOTION OF KHOMIENI THAN
SHAH HIMSELF. Before shah published that stupid article in Etelaat, no
one even knew of Khomeini.