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Roozbeh

Dude,

You are so right.

I totally forgot about Taarof. The quintessential example of a polite man's lie. Chaploosi is also, as you correctly pointed out, a form of lie. I was thinking too linear in my examples.

mer30.

Anon

The only reason I keep bringing up Islam and akhonds all the time is that they directly relate to Iran and many of her misfortunes.

Otherwise, youre exactly right, and theyre all exactly what you called them: piles of crap dressed in different outfits.

Also, on the issue of religion

I just want to point out that Islam is not the only philosophical clusterfuck that has plagued humanity.  The rest of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity are not any different.  Same piles of crap dressed in different outfits.  

Here it is Mark

Let me quote you here.  This is what you said to an Iranian who was born and raised in Iran just a few days ago.  You claimed to be "more Iranian" than him because you paid $25 bucks to get an ID card and voted in the last rigged elections.

 I've a couple of questions for you, regarding real "Iranians": Do you have a current National ID? Did you vote in the 2009 election? If you answered no to either one, well fella, you're less Iranian than I.

here's the link:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/nazy-kaviani/toward-culture-civil-liberties-human-rights-and-democracy-iranpage1

PS- this is one example that I remembered.  I don't have the time to go around and look at all your other keyboard gibberish.  

I don't know if this is a byproduct of the Islamic culture

But I do agree, unfortunately, that it has become so much part of every day life of every one in Iran that no one even has a second thought about lying.  And what makes it worse, they often lie about things that don't matter much.

I absolutely hate this part of our culture which has become so much worse since IRI took power. But also admit honesty is much harder then one would expect.

Try it for a full week and see.

Mehrdad

I don't getcha, Anon. Are

I don't getcha, Anon. Are you saying I say I'm from Iran? Go ahead and link to where I've said that.

What I've said is that I'm a dual citizen of the US and Iran, that I'm a native son American, I've lived and studied in Iran and that I vote in Iranian elections. Oh, and I accept Iran for what it is, politically as well as socially (that is to say that I don't lie to myself).

Go ahead and show where I've said something different. Either you're lying or mistaken. Go ahead and say which one. 

"doroogh" and "chaploosi" are the the two sides of the same coin

 If there was a third side to this coin, it'd be taarof.

My own guess is that hundreds, if not thousands of years of brutal dictatorship, where people are denied free and honest expression of opinion in favour of praise for the hated and corrupt sultan, khalifa, amir, shah and ayatollah has led to this culture of dishonesty. I found people of Scandinavia, where the democracy has ruled ever since the "savage Viking" era to be the most honest and direct people of all nationalities I have encountered.

Good blog,and I do dig you despite my impaired cognitive abilities :)

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Also Mark, there are people who tell

themselves that they are from a certain country when they are not...kind of like...well, you.  Now, THAT's a lie. :-)

Nowhere is lying so

Nowhere is lying so widespread than in the Iranian exile community, which tells itself every day the clock can be turned back to the mid-70s.

Nice blog - I agree

what do you expect when one of the foundations of the religion is "Taghiyeh?"  Also, Iran has had an inner, mini clash of civilizations since the imposition of Islam upon it 1400 years ago.  It's actually more like the reaction--and resistance-- of a well organized and well established social, economic and political structure against being ruled, and superseded by a barbaric, nomadic culture that is the ultimate example of a lack of any of the aforementioned.  

clarification for the thinking impaired

OK. Not every Iranian is a liar, obviously.

But u do get the point I'm trying to make. (I hope).

Yeh. Muhammad split the Moon in half, and no fuckin astronomer anywhere ever saw or recorded it or any of its effects. But he did split the Moon in half. I know.