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i remeber this incident very well. General Latifi was coming from the gendarmerie headquarter couple of streets on the other side of the square next to university of tehran and that was when he was attacked.poor judgement on his part for coming out right in the middle of a demonstration.

For the Record

By releasing a member of Fadaian Islam, I presume you are talking about Khalil Tahmasebi. Tahmasebi assassinated Prime Minister Razmara.

1. There is a lot of evidence, that the assassination was organized by Seyyed Zia, with the consent of the Shah. Zia was extremely close to the British (intelligence) and the Fadaian Islam.

2. Razmara was a very competent and ambitious military man. He was also very popular with the military officers. Razmara was close to the US and USSR. He had helped many Tudeh member escape from a prison. The Shah feared that Razmara was a Reza Shah type figure who could cobble together a domestic alliance with foreign backing and make a coup and assume power the way Reza Shah had done.

3. Fadaian Islam was close to Ayatollah Kashani. Kashani was the Speaker of the Majles. From July 1952, (after 30 Tir), Kashani gradually left JM and Dr. Mossadegh and became increasingly close to the Shah.

4. The coup in August 1953 was the result of the cooperation of CIA, MI6, Ayatollah Kashani, Fadaian Islam, other Shia clerics (akhund Taghi Falsafi, Grand Ayatollah Brujerdi), Gen. Zahedi, and the Shah.

In conclusion, to state that JM was responsible for releasing Tahmasebi is not true. Both Ayatollah Kashani and the Shah had power in this matter and their interests were close to Tahmasebi.

For the Record

Fozolie,

For the record, Dr. Sanjabi and the JM 100% opposed the "revolutionary courts" and the "summarily trials." Because Khomeini sided with Ayatollah Khalkhali (later it became known that every thing Khalkhali did was with Khomeini’s full support), Dr. Sanjabi and other JM members in the Provisional Government resigned. The Provisional Government was formed around Feb 12, 1979, and Dr. Sanjabi and JM members resigned on 26 Farvardin 1358 (April 15, 1979). In other words, in the 2 months in which the JM was part of the Provisional Government, the JM privately and publicly opposed and condemned the lack of due process.

Two days after JM resignations from the PG, Dr. Sanjabi gave a press interview. In it, he explicitly condemned the rise of "ekhtenagh" [repression], the armed militia, and committees that did not listen to the Provisional Govt and "fajei bozorg bebar avarad ke avalin va nokhostin fajee aan ghorbani kardan hoghugh va azadi-hay fardi va ejtemai dar in maslakh mibashad."

To their credit, Bazargan (the Prime Minister) and Abbas AmirEntezam (Deputy Prime Minister and Govt Spokesman) also opposed the violations of the due process of the law (what Khalkhali and Khomeini were doing via Komiteh Enghelab, and Dadgah Enghelab).

In the first few months, the fundamentalists (as opposed to others in the Provisional Govt) executed about 500 individuals.

Unfortunately, not only savages like Khomeini and Khalkhali supported summary executions (without any real courts, without due process), but also other groups such as Fadaian, and PMOI supported the eadam-hay enghelabi (revolutionary executions).

Unfortunately, violence has long history in Iran. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi executed many and used terrible violence and repression. These created much resentment among vast sectors of the population. In the previous 18 months of revolutionary activities, the Shah’s forces had killed around 3,000 people. The people (wrongly) believed that the number of killed was around 150,000. Therefore, there was great demand for revenge. One cannot comprehend the emotional feelings of the people without understanding the violence of the Shah in the previous 25 years. Under the Shah’s dictatorship, high school kids were arrested and tortured merely for writing ensha (composition) that were critical of the Shah’s policies. University students were arrested and tortured merely for possessing philosophy books and holding discussion groups to read and discuss these books.

The ONLY group that publicly stood up to the violence was JM.

Dr. Ibrahim Yazdi was a member of Nehzat Azadi. He played a very ugly role in publicly supporting the executions. Yazdi is a self-serving thug, who undermined those decent people like Dr. Sanjabi who were trying to calm the situation and bring wisdom and moderation.

Dr. Bani Sadr remained quiet on these issues.

Sadegh Ghotbzadeh had been a member of Nehzat Azadi. He was the Head of Radio and Television. He did NOT side with JM and others who were asking for moderation. Ghotbzadeh used his position to support Khomeini during this period.

We have to be fair and honest. We have to CONDEMN violence of both Khomeini and the Shah. We have to also criticize those who should have said something against the violations of human rights. Mehraban is correct. Unfortunately, Jebhe Melli was the only group that opposed violence, and human rights violations. BOTH the monarchists and fundamentalists violated human rights, BOTH tortured, BOTH assassinated, BOTH executed, BOTH raped political prisoners. The fact that Khomeini and fundamentalists were (and are) a zillion times more violent that monarchists, does not excuse those actions by the monarchists.

MK

As for NF

I don't believe they are entirely blameless. They were at best silent about the violence (I can think of the release of at least one Fedayeen Islam terrorist), and giving murderous regimes a respectable front (the executions after the 79 revolution).  Some of it may have been pure incompetence (or misguided ambition? I am thinking of Sanjabi - Khomeinie) but that would put into question their judgement which if so flawed then we are better off without them. That is something I would like to discuss separately and will post a blog about it.

 I agree in regards to impatience. Reading the Tudeh memoires it is clear that they clearly hoped to speed things by using terror. On the other end of the spectrum Pahlavis did not seem to appreciate that  modernisation requires education which requires time.  There are no shortcuts.  It seems that we had to go through this to appreciate the futility and destructiveness of revolutationary change.

Mr. Fozolie

Anonymouse (wt Fozolie's permission)

I am sure impatience is a reason.  Arash Monzavi Kia has presented another theory in his blog below.  I am sure there are other explanations as well.  Maybe subject of another important blog.  Interesting though :-) 

Mehrban I think one

Mehrban I think one of the reasons just about all groups, except National Front that you mentioned, have a history of violence may be that as a nation we are so impatient.  Humans by nature are impatient, and violent, but we may be extra impatient.

An "easy" way to impose your view is through violence.  Pahlavis did it to other thinkers, Khomeinis did it to Pahlavis and other thinkers, others want to do it to Khomeinis and other thinkers and it goes on and on.  Even in cyberspace it is easier for some to just lash out and insult one another.  Or Bush-Cheney for example, they found it easier to torture and turn the clock back on America - they don't have "time" they said ;-)

Everything is sacred.

chieeh oosta enghade koonet meesozeh

You'll be late for your Akaber class, run along now  ;-)

Mr. Fozolie

Dear Mehrban

You are correct. DK really had a great idea as it has made me think about this aspect of our history.

Mr. Fozolie

fozolie, forgot to do your homework again!

What would you do without DK extending a helping hand? Your lazy arse prevents you from even finding out the name of the person whose plight you're "trying" to depict! Don't you think it's about time you actually tried to inform rather than just cutting and pasting?

History of Violence series

is very important.  It shows me how deeply violence and vengeance permeate our society.  

IR has been prone to it (to put it mildly) more than anyone else in the recent history of Iran but most everyone from across the political spectrum has engaged in it in one way or another.  Actually, the only group that I can think of without history of violence is the National Front (?).   I presume that these were men and women who understood the importance and relevance of the Rule of Law for a civil society.    

Thank you for posting.

huh? Who said it was amusing?

Mr. Fozolie

Not Amusing, it is ugly , disgusting and mind buggling

Dear Darius

This is not funny at all, it shows how stupid we were to trust bunch of 

savage students to take over our country.Look at that, for god sake they were supposed to be educated and be a role model.

That is why sometimes, I do not feel a bit sorry for what happening to them. Those people killed many officers, soldiers and innocent people

just based on rumors and personal vengence.

This is ugly and disturbing.I am not not surprised that IRI dealing with them so harshly, they know who their fathers were .

This is shameful

Thanks Darius

The name helped quite a bit. He was Gendarmerie.

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I saw a comment on a blog that he was transferred to a hospital but does not say any more about his fate. He was the head of personnel for the Gendarmerie.

Mr. Fozolie

Brigadier General Tagi Latifi

Another Photo:

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Actually the Mob was more vengeful than the mullah's in this particular case:

See Report in TIME:

"In one particularly grim example last week, a mob at the University of Tehran grabbed General Tagi Latifi, a police officer, from his car, screaming, "Kill him!" He was beaten senseless before being rescued by a group of clergymen."

But I doubt if his life was spared after being judged by the Revolutionary Court.

If anyone has a feedback on his whereabouts I am interested ...