Burn Quran burn


by Fred

With the 9/11 anniversary fast approaching, the emotionally charged atmosphere over the mass murder of thousands of innocent people by crazed Islamists is being supercharged by number of avoidable factors the most talked about one being the planned Quran burning.

The Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center which last year distributed T-shirts that said "Islam is of the Devil," has announced plans to burn copies of the Quran on church grounds.

Sporadic demonstrations against the planned Quran burning have already been held in couple of predominantly Moslem countries and with the holiday marking the end of month of fasting coinciding this year with the anniversary of  9/11, possibility for more robust and certainly violent outburst of anger is ever present.

Aside few off the shelf statements of condemnation, the folks over in IRR, the Islamist Rapist Republic have not yet shown their hand on the Quran burning controversy.

But being as opportunistic as they are and given their track record in similar cases namely the “Satanic Verses” and the Muhammad’s cartoons, they tend to get into action once protests elsewhere have gained momentum and then milk it to their own advantage.

Today a large crowd of Afghans protesting the planned burning threw rocks at a passing American military convoy in Kabul. When asked why, Abdul Shakoor, an 18-year-old high school student said: "We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decision of the president and the entire United States,"

Under U.S. Constitution the Florida group or for that matter anyone else has every right to burn Quran, they can do it on the hour every hour should they wish to and no one can legally prevent the burning.

But should they do it?

Except playing into the hands of rabid Islamists what else will be gained from the burning?

And is putting the lives of brave Americans already in dangerous situation in greater jeopardy worth the burning?

Democracy is a beautiful thing, but responsible use of the freedom it allows is a civic duty.


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by amirkabear4u on

your comment:

'In classic Israeli fashion: use any opportunity to blame the victim.'

is going to burn a lot of israeli lovers. haha



Have a look at this

by amirkabear4u on


Bavafa, right on

by Q on

it's so true. The moral bankruptcy of this line of thought is mind boggling.

Not in his extensive propaganda volumes on this site, has Fred never asked bothered to ask the question "They can print the Mohammad Cartoons, but should they?", "writers can disrespect Islam but should they?"

He (and unfortunately Princess below) is also following the FOX News and the Israel-first establishment line about "why" this is wrong.

It's purely a "self interest" motivation. According to this line of disgusting "logic", if this act did not cause a backlash, it would be just fine to do. It's not wrong because it is inhuman or fascist, it's only wrong because "the Islamic fanatics" "won't understand". In other words, far from being a humanitarian gesture, it's simply an affirmation of the propagnda that Islam is a religion of crazy fanatics. In classic Israeli fashion: use any opportunity to blame the victim.

Here you have further proof the despite his half-ass protestations to the contrary, FredCo really is an islamophobe, and depends on propagating islamophobia for his political goals, but... trying to be as "PC" about it as possible.


I break my rule to make a comment on Fred's hate filled blogs

by Bavafa on

With two questions for him but not before saying that I can't give a rat's a$$ about the Quran burning based on my personal beliefs.

- Will you acknowledge and condemn the mass murder that took place in Iraq by a crazed military, just as the 9/11 mass murder by a crazed islamist that has been  acknowledged and condemned?

- Should they not burn the Quran, because "is putting the lives of brave Americans already in dangerous situation in greater jeopardy" ? Is that the reason they should not burn a book that is secret to billions of people around the world?


P.S. I will not be surprised if the response comes in the form of "IRI crap-duster islamist bla bla bla"


I'm against book burning of any kind

by Reality-Bites on

It doesn't matter if the book in question is Quran, Bible, Capital (by Marx) or any other book. Everyone should have the right to read any book they wish and burning books is a symbolic attack on the right to freedom of expression and ideas. It should be condemned without reservation.


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by vildemose on

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‘Burn the Qur’an Day’ Endangers US Troops: Petraeus Posted on by Juan

Every day for the past few days there have been demonstrations in Afghanistan against the scheme of the Christian fundamentalist Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, to burn copies of the Qur’an on September 11. This sort of grandstanding by a tiny congregation with global ramifications reminds us that in the contemporary world, technology magnifies the power of individuals and small groups, which is a real problem when they are hateful. (The evangelical leadership has scolded the group for this action).




from all the odds and all

by Midwesty on

from all the odds and all the topics we could choose from...the only thing had remained was to burn a book just to exercise our freedom of expression...One might think if they were fans of reading books they could find plenty of stuff to exercise their freedom of expression in a much constructive way... Of course to an ignorant person burning books has been and will be always an easy way out, or that's what seems to be initially...


Fred, Raoul,

by Midwesty on

You are also one opportunist. Why going out of your air-tight-sanctions way and getting into something outside of your norm, discussing a remote news about a faith.



Keep at it, you are warming me up buddy! Just to warm you up, tell me how you would feel if someone on 9/11 at the ground zero would burn the American flag along the US constitution? Wait a minute, you don't even allow building a smei-mosque two blocks away from it...

Now that's an easy redneck solution to burn things and if they object then we'll nuke them ya'll! Hee-haow!!

Sargord Pirouz

"Fred" writing "Type A"

by Sargord Pirouz on

This appears to be the work of "Fred" writing "Type A."

Note missing indefiinte article and definite article usage, suggesting a foreign writer with a less than perfect grasp of English writing skills. Unclear whether this is the result of a native Persian or Hebrew speaker. 

Since "Fred" writing "Type A" seems to produce a number of posts per week, it's possible this can be narrowed down in the not too distant future.

Haven't noticed the third writing type for a few months (it was posted as an article on the main page ) but we're on the lookout.

JJ, have you performed a DNS lookup for "Fred" postings? Check your history, too, if so inclined. Country of origin is what's relevant here.


Here is my view:

by Raoul1955 on

Are muslims offended by their fellow muslims' stoning women to death, hanging homo-folks, and killing apostates? 

Are muslims offended by their fellow muslims burning girls schools in Afghanistan, Pakistan,…?

Are muslims offended by their fellow muslims killing their wives, daughters, sisters, or female family members in what is known by muslims as 'honor killings?'

Are muslims offended by their fellow muslims throwing acid on the faces of women who refuse to wear hijab?

Are muslims offended by their fellow muslims killing or forcing the conversion of non-muslims to islam in muslim majority countries?

Are muslims offended by their fellow muslims excising special TAX on Christians and Jews in muslim majority countries?

I promote more public burning of koran and, even more interesting, burning effigies of Muhammad on a monthly basis.  Why?
Simply to demonstrate to muslims that we are not intimidated by their hate-filled threats to control free expression in our country.  These evil, intolerant, and hateful people need to learn that they cannot expand their intolerant views to our society.
Cheers now,

Mr. Raoul, the One and Only True Deity


3 points

by amirkabear4u on

Firstly I heard some of the recent qurans have deliberate mistranslations to misguide or even deliberate additions. In that case burning them maybe better.

Secondly this is the attitude nazis had during WWII, book burning, I am surprised open minded americans go this far.

Thirdly what does this solve?

Fairness and Equality in Justice


An opportunity for moderate Muslims

by Princess on

This is a subject that has caused me a huge headache for theme past 24 hours. So many people in Afghanistan can't stop talking about this and do not stop making threats.

There were demonstration about this in several parts of Kabul yesterday and I happened to stumble upon one of them because our security system had failed to notify me so that I would avoid the area. Witnessing so much hatred and anger by a bunch of naive self-righteous people is very scary. Luckily, I got away from the scene in tact, only to find out a few hours later that my otherwise young, polite, gentle and respectful Afghan engineer has started a Facebook group in reaction to the Qur'an burning announcement. Needless to say, I was shocked.

This is an opportunity for all those "moderate" Muslims on this site to try to put some sense into the minds of these naive and impressionable young men. I would like to see how by using religious refercences you can prove to these kids that your religion is religion of peace.

If you are on Facebook, please go to the group and get some dialogue going. I am very keen to see how you argue for peace by referecing Islam.


PS: The Afghans here automaticlly assume that I am a non-practicing Muslim, so my word of advice with regards to religious matters does not carry any weight with them, hence this post. 

Ali P.

Let'em all burn

by Ali P. on

Burn'em all...the Quran, the Bible, Dr. Phil's.... 

You can burn my book, but not my spirit, my message, my vision...

Nothing is sacred.


Burn the books.

We'll get over it...


Blimey Fred,

by KB on

Can't believe you wrote that mate. You might get accused of being a bit wet (you being righty n'all).

V sensible point, you make.