Musings of a former chicken

Marhoum Kharmagas

All right,  those of us who are against war/sanctions are "IRI supporters",

I said some of them not all. I have also said many times. I am not in favor of a war. I don't like the sanctions but something has to give. When I see people *never* criticizing the Islamic Republic it bothers me. Killing is killing no matter if IRI "courts" order it or some Nato bomb does it. I oppose war now. But if IRI were to start relying more on foreign hizbolahi troops and killing people I may change my mind. 

It is hard to decide what to do. I wish sanctions would focus on the IRI leaders. But for now they are not. So I do what I am able to both lobby for sanctions against the leadership. And to oppose sanctions on the regular people

PS,

I have challenged Fred when it made sense:

//iranian.com/main/blog/fred/most-hated-w...

back to normal? dont think so....

The fascist islamist regime is actualy in a desparate shape. Economically and politicaly bankrupt and under siege. Yes sure, they'll kill, torture and rape for a little while more, but their time is over as sure as the pay check for their agents on this site will stop arriving at their london, toronto and LA residents in not so distant future!

BTW, good blog Fred. Thank You.   

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

VPK, then do something!!!

Prophet says: "The truth is that some of these "peace" types are really IRI supporters."

All right,  those of us who are against war/sanctions are "IRI supporters", why don't you go start your war instead of writing comment after comment after comment....... same with the AIPACi resident fascist.

"Every day they rule Iran is hurt. "

I couldnt agree more. So how do we end their rule? if you think that sanctioning or waging wars will solve the problem you are deeply misguided. And its getting very tiring being called an IRI supporter. it would be more appropriate to here our case against sanctions intead of calling us IRI supporters.

here is one of them:

Hani Mansourian fears they will backfire in terms of regime change in Iran. His piece is worth a read. Citing Iraq and Zimbabwe, he notes:

As a result of these devastating effects on the general population,
social cohesion and a sense of community greatly deteriorated in both
countries, in turn decreasing the likelihood that the massive popular
uprising Western governments had hoped would be inspired by these
economic sanctions would ever occur...

He fears the same could happen in Iran:

Many years of sanctions
coupled with sub-optimal economic policies in Iran have resulted in a
weak economy and a fragile middle-class. The latest round of UN, U.S.,
and EU sanctions on Iran is likely to drive millions into poverty and
destitution. As economic opportunities for the growth of a solid
middle-class disappear, the young Iranians that have historically been
the agents of change in the country will lose their social base. 
Ironically, then, sanctions may do more to increase the power of the
Iranian government and to weaken the domestic opposition movement, to
the ostensible detriment of U.S. interests

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iranians like to get emotional over the simplest of issues. we cant think realistically and the emotion clowds our judgements.

Very good

point by LoveofLiberty; and exactly the point. The truth is that some of these "peace" types are really IRI supporters. They don't want to come out and say it. Because after the presidential fraud they don't dare. Now the new approach is "we love peace". Sure I love peace as well. But when Islamist are hanging people three at a time the peace is peace of  death. In addition the Islamists are wearing out the nation. Every day they rule Iran is hurt.

This is a hostage situation. What is the right thing to do? Who is the police. The problem is that USA does not make a good policeman. There is no appropriate authority to do anything!! UN is useless and no power on Earth has the legal right to do anything.

And there lies the dilemma. VPK

I guess for some people who

I guess for some people who post comments on this thread (and other threads on this site), life is so dear and peace is so sweet that such human conditions must be purchased at the price of repression, human rights abuses, and theocratic authoritarianism.

(To borrow from Patrick Henry's courageous "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" speech of 1775.)

And I think it is rather true that "a nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one." - Alexander Hamilton

MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Why do you have to insult people in your posts? You may disagree with Fred but do you think "warmonger" is furthering your point. It is not I guarantee you.

both of you have intent to kill as many ordinary iranians as possible because it justifies the means.

I don't know about Barry Rubin but I know Fred is not. I have seen no posting from Fred wanting to kill "ordinary Iranians". Of course Islamists only consider the Mollahs and their goons "ordinary Iranians". Therefore by that definition you may be right.  To me the Islamist goons are ordinary criminals.

In reality it is the Islamists who are right now killing ordinary Iranians. I was just reading about top konkor scoring Iranians. One at Stanford; one at Berkeley and one in Evin. How many Iranians have the Mullahs killed? How many on death row right now! How many communists did Khomeini murder! What happened to my friend's brother "hint: executed in 1982 at the age of 19 body never returned to his family". Now you have the never to claim Fred wants ordinary Iranians to die? 

Before you throw stones take a good look at your own house. And don't give me the BS about not supporting IRI. You have consistently supported all their positions. If you support someone's actions then you are their supporter.

How many people does Islamist Republic have to kill to make war a better option? No I am not advocating war just asking a question. What is the break even point beyond which war means fewer deaths.

Think about it.

warmonger Fred

Are you Barry Rubin's friend? It wouldn't suprise me. both of you have intent to kill as many ordinary iranians as possible because it justifies the means.

And Rabid Islamist khodeti. you are the regimes greatest asset. 

Brilliant as usual, Fred

Every time I come to place a comment your number one fan, Sargord always beats me to it. When ever Fred writes a blog, Sargord is the first to read it. Fred, Sargord Mark  loves you.

Sargord Pictures

Sargord,

I came upon these Reza Shah era pictures. Are your relatives in these pictures?

Reza Shah's Cabinet

//www.fouman.com/Y/Picture_View-Reza_Shah_Cab...

Reza Shah's Coup Cabinet (Ahmad Shah)

//www.fouman.com/history/img/Coup_Cabinet_Rez...

Rabid Islamists

The rabid Islamist sack of liar refuses to cite my own words to support his charge that I, Fred, am a “warmonger”.

He tried this Islamist tactic on Barry Rubin as well, when challenged; again he had nothing to back up his nonsense.

Rabid Islamists stationed in the sane world,  keep on truckin!

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Things are back to normal;

let me add another:

Things are back to normal; war mongers like Fred are beating the war drums while self rightously hiding behind human rights issues.

So I see we've resorted to

So I see we've resorted to temper tantrums with this post.