Musings of a former chicken

C-O-P

We have to agree to disagree. I hope that you atleast understand my point of view...

Well done Fred

This list must continue to grow, there are thousands who must be added to this list and the only way to cleanse them from Iran is by way of precise attacks on the regime.  Once this regime is destablized the Iranians will come into the streets and take their country back.  There is no way that sanctions or dialogue will work with these poeple.  As Dr. Milani says, Antarinejad and his band of robbers live in a parallel universe and have no sense of reality.  On these type of people only force will work.

moosir

debating with you is like debating with Abarmard. I knew it was useless.

mano-o tu baa ham aslan too ye baagh nisteeim...

damet garm. 

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More names

Some more names of sanctionable Islamist Rapists:

•Ismail Ahmadi Moghadam, Head of the Iranian Police,

•Abolghassem Salavati, Presiding Judge of Branch 15 of the Islamic Revolutionary Courts,

•Seyed Hassan Firouzabadi, Chief of Staff of the Joint Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran,

•Mohammad Moghisseh, Presiding Judge of Branch 28 of the Islamic Revolutionary

•Yadollah Javani, Head of the IRGC Political Office,

•Rouhollah Hosseinian, Member of Parliament,

•Ali Saeedi, Representative of the Supreme Leader in the IRGC,

•Hossein Shariatmadari, Managing editor of Kayhan Newspaper,

•Ezatollah Zarghami, Head of Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), and

•Mohammad Reza Naghdi, Commander of Basij Forces.

//www.iranhumanrights.org/2010/09/blacklist-rights-violators/

C-O-P

"I asked you about Iran's problems caused by Israel as in internal
problems which would be the cause for all the rhetoric. What you state
above is the result of the nut case ahmadinejad wanting to wipe them off
the face of the earth or old man khomeini's numerous comments against
israel. For khomeni it may have an ideolgy thing being that he cared
none for Iran and ALL for Islam, i.e. the Pals. For todays regime, it is
all about confusing the issue while they loot Iran.

... "Do you really believe that the clergy and their goons care about Iran in a nationalsitic way?""

Again I answered it below. (Islamist ideology being the driving force behind IRI foreign policy). I have never denied that the rhetoric from the leadership in Iran is fueling the war talk. They too would want nothing more than a war. That is not the point. The point is that whether reciprocating war talk with more of our own (and even concrete actions) actually solves any problems? I am arguing no. some warmongers cry wolf when we say moderation kills the regime in Iran and war talk (and action) extends their reign over the poor iranian people. 

you say,

"Nobody wants war, but the regime itself."

I'm sorry but you are deluding yourself if you think that only the regime wants war. That line has been the neocons best friend since many decades ago using it to justify every single military action in foreign soil and the deaths of 100s of thousands of innocents. 

Moosir

"Who are the main driving forces behind the attack-Iran campaign? think about it. why should I be politically correct about it? Follow the money!"

I asked you about Iran's problems caused by Israel as in internal problems which would be the cause for all the rhetoric. What you state above is the result of the nut case ahmadinejad wanting to wipe them off the face of the earth or old man khomeini's numerous comments against israel. For khomeni it may have an ideolgy thing being that he cared none for Iran and ALL for Islam, i.e. the Pals. For todays regime, it is all about confusing the issue while they loot Iran.

Nobody wants war, but the regime itself. They know it will help them out tremendously much like prolonging the war with iraqis did for 8 damn years. They're still there, aren't they?

Do you really believe that the clergy and their goons care about Iran in a nationalsitic way?

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VPK

I'm sorry but that still does not work for me. It's like saying I am a Nazi because I hold position x, y, z (even though the positions might be quite reasonable and sound policies, like strong economy, strong work force, etc) 

What you should be asking yourself is how is it that as soon as you read a statement you immediately equate it with Islamism. Well, I would argue that its the media propaganda (both from IRI and those in "democracy central") doing its job and brainwashing ordinary decent citizens. Read Chomsky's amazing book, manufacturing consent!  

C-O-P

Context matters. Who are the main driving forces behind the attack-Iran campaign? think about it. why should I be politically correct about it? Follow the money!

 As for the rest of your comments, I believe I have answered you as well with my reply to VPK. 

I do and have spoken against the atrocities committed by the regime. Go look at my posts, how much more clear can I get? 

It does not matter where you or I live. I move around a lot in exile. I too want to go back to my homeland but not at the cost of tearing Iran apart. 

MOOSIR

I did not say you are an Islamist. I said you take similar positions. That makes you appear in the same camp. Maybe not to you but it does to me and some other people like COP.

Now you can disagree and that is fine. But you cannot tell me what I should think. I am giving you my honset opinion. No accusations; no insults just what I think You may take it or leave it.

BTW, I am still not happy at Israel. However knowing how much the Palestinians hate us makes me care less.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

How does that work exactly? I believe I have made myself clear a number of times that I am not even a Muslim. So how can I be an Islamist? As for the rest of your arguments you resort to various logical fallacies in order to prove that I appear as an Islamist. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

My only 'anger' at Israel, if you want to call it that, stems from the fact that much like Iran's leadership Islamist ideology drives their foreign policy, Israel's Zionist ideology drives theirs. And it becomes MY business when they use it to force feed a policy down America's throats. I as an American-Iranian have every right to speak out against the misguided war talk against Iran.

Ask any zionist what they think of sanctions and the boycotts and the campaign of isolation waged against Israel and they would tell you how anti-Semitic and cruel the people behind them are. Ask them about what they think of Iran being put under sanctions and they would be the first to encourage it! this is the sort of double standard that drives makes me angry!

I am against both! Sanctions and isolation do nothing but hurt ordinary people, and leads to conflict! especially a tyranical leadership like Iran who doesnt listen to its own people.

Moosir improvement

See how potentially productive you can be when your focus isn't zionist this and zionist that? You can attack me for being where I am, you can call me a war monger........

The very essence of everything you folks say starts with Zionists. That is why you fit the Islamist bill - Can you provide an example of how Israel contributed to Iran's problems, or are you more "concerned" about the plight of palestinians who hate our guts while taking our money given to them by a bunch of thieving clergy and their thug supporters?  Regardless of how bad Israel is, it isn't any of our freaking business - we have our own huge problems.

Perhaps if you speak out about the atrocities committed by the regime instead of beating the same old dry drum of anti-semitism, you could be taken seriously as the Iran defender that you claim to be.

And...I, we, speak from here - across the pond - because we're here unlike millions of Iranians who're frustrated enough to give everything they got to leave Iran, to just hand over the country to the 7th centurty mentality that has brought us to the brick of extinction as Iranians.

You're in Europe, why are you there while criticizing me being here?

OK, that's enough, I know this is fruitless.

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MOOSIR

The reason people associate you with Islamist is your positions. Your post are almost always in line with the Islamist position. You have the same sympathies as they do. You have the same deep anger at Israel as they do. Now to be fair that does not mean you are an Islamist. But it makes it appears so.

I let you know something about myself. About ten years ago I was as much opposed to Israel as you are now. I was also not an Islamist. That is why I do see where you may be coming from. Nevertheless the company you keep will define you.

I changed. Still no fan of Israel but just not that interested. IMHO we got bigger problems to deal with. No time for worry about the Palestinians; my nation is first.

VPK

Add these

On the fake intellectual side:

• Abdolkarim Soroush. For masterminding the "cultural revolution" aka wholesale ruining of Iranian Academia. This one is an easy pick since he is right here. Toss the SOB in jail and let him rot.
• Akbar Ganji. Another Islamist intellectual.
• Abdolali Bazargah. For lying through his teeth about per Islamic Iran and trashing the real Iranian culture. The hypocrite peddles his lies out of Beverly Hills!! I admit this one is a bit of a stretch. Being an idiot is not against the law nor is lying through your teeth without shame.

On the far left

• Maryam Rajavi. Head of a terrorist organization.
• Masoud Ravaj. Traitor and terrorist

On the Islamic Right

• Mahmood Ahmadinejad. Being a loudmouth idiot.
• Ahmad Jannati. Responsible for many deaths.

BTW, I let Karroubi go. He is at least somewhat sane.

C-O-P

You say:

"I have no desire to debate with you or other self-proclaimed Iran
defenders of the islamist kind. I have learned that it is fruitless. 
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Where does the 'Islamist kind' come from? Maybe you should practise what you preach and reconsider "the mentality and stance of your contributions" and show me a post of mine where I even hinted at being an 'islamist'! And by all means, do have debate with me! 

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Your concerns (along with that of that clown mola nasreddin, and the
maybokhor yaa nakhor character) in defending Iran and her people is
heartwarming. I am sure they are grateful to have such strong advocates
looking out for their welfare in farway places."

As a matter of fact, they are grateful! What they are pissed off about - apart from the misery infelcted by the regime on the population - is the numerous iranians in diaspora who live in a fantasy world, and keep calling for regime change and sanctions and war from over the pond! 

Moosir

I have no desire to debate with you or other self-proclaimed Iran defenders of the islamist kind. I have learned that it is fruitless.

Not that I need to explain anything to you or anybody else, I oppose military confrontation with Iran as it can only prolong the misery for the people as well as give the theocracy an excuse and means to secure power for another 30 misrebale years.

Your concerns (along with that of that clown mola nasreddin, and the maybokhor yaa nakhor character) in defending Iran and her people is heartwarming. I am sure they are grateful to have such strong advocates looking out for their welfare in farway places.

As I've always said, this site's conversational traffic and the mentality and stance of the contributors is a great indication why Iran is the way it is after thousands of years of culture and civilization. 

Over & out.

CoP

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C-O-P I could say the same thing about closet war supporters

There's this clan who (mildly) claims to support the democracy movement in Iran, hides behind "human rights", "democracy" and all these harmless attractive words, but 3 of out of their every 2 words are airtight sanctions, surginal strikes, war. And on top of that they accuse nearly everyone who is against war for the right reasons to be regime sympathizers. As bad as the situation in Iran is, it is getting closer to another war that will make things even worse for people and these people think we dont see right through their smoke screens. 

Well-said Roozbeh

"Zionism as repugnant an ideology it is, should not be your main focus if you are truely concerned about Iran..."

There's this clan who (mildly) claims an oppositon to the Islamist regime, but 3 of out of their every 2 words are zionist this and zionist that. Who gives a flying flock about that - Iran is what's being wasted here and these people think we don't see right through their smoke screens.

Makes me puke. 

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dear Roozbeh

Zionism is not my main focus. What is my main focus is stopping the war on my motherland . Because I fear once war initiates, there is no going back and Iran and hte chance for stable democracy will be lost for many decades to come.

Moosir. my dear idealist:

Dont you really see what's happening to our country whilst we are screaming at each other? A "pack of cards" of the Iranian regime leadership is being put together, BBC is screeminmg constantly about this so called "blog father of Iran", with "obvious leadership qualities" who is so unjustly arrested and needs the entire world's support....

Zionism as repugnant an ideology it is, should not be your main focus if you are truely concerned about Iran, which I hope you are.

how about a list of warmongerers in addition to the islamists?

While you're at it add your name to the list of war seeking anti-iranians zionists who have submitted themselves to the zionist cause.

zionism is as wretched and racist as Islamism.  You should be on one of these lists Fred. Both need to be sanctioned and boycotted.

Wink wink nudge nudge

The chronic inaction of president Hussein's office has brought us down to this level of "take-it-and-say-thanks".

What do you think a personal sanction which is nothing more than a mid-term campaign stunt would really do?

Oh boy we are still on a long run with Democrats, and sometimes I think we would have been better off with president Biden!! 

If my body dies, let my body die, but do not let my country die.

Ugh, it's that worst writer

Ugh, it's that worst writer of the Fred effort posting again.

Can't you first pass this on to the better writer(s) in the group, to be copy edited before uploading?

What's so hard about that? 

The low competency level of this Hasbara effort is surprising. I guess their anti-Iran effort here at IC is a low priority. You'd have thought we were more highly regarded than that. Apparently we're not.