Musings of a former chicken

OK midwesty

if you're willing to discuss in a civilized fashion, I am all for it.

You said that you had hit a nurve before, but as it turned out, I had hit a nurve too.

What I dislike about Islamist (be it in the context of this blog or not) is their pashion for Islam (mostly on the surface, I must add) and their total disregard for Iran, her culture and identity. When I see folks defending the indefensible regime of the unelected clergy, I have no choice but to denounce them.

The trouble is that most folks who subscribe to your point of view, that being: "The west is evil, and regimes like the Islamic regime in Iran are standing up against the west, are independent, blah, blah" only see the side of the equation that is presented to them by those who benefit from it, in this case, the Islamic Regime.

True that the west, as I have said many times, only looks out for its own interest. Do you really believe that anyone in the west, any decision maker, gives a rat's behind about Iran and her people? Of course not. It is therefore up to the Iranian people to do that. The current regime is power hungry, anti nationalist and anti-Iran. They have been looting Iran's resources while the average Iranian's standard of living has hit rock bottom in the last 3 decades. The average person is dealing with double digit inflation, additction and unemployment while the fat cat clergy and their supporter thugs continue to suck iran dry.

If your dislike of western policies has made you blind to these facts, there's not much more to say. Incidentally, do you believe that the chinese and russians who are in bed with the mullahs care about Iran? They must, right? They are not the West.

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Midwesty,

Amir, assuming you are an Iranian, in the calculating world of the western politics we, the Iranians are called, demographic, meaning when it comes the time for cooking they'll dump all of us in the same pot! You wanna bet on that?

Baleh, motovalled-e Iran hastam. Ham pedaram va ham madaram Irani hastand. Anyway, which politics isn't "calculating"? "Eastern" politics? North Korea? Communist China? Democratic People's Islamic Republic of Iran (DPIRI)? No one forced you to leave the IRI to live in Sheytan-e Bozorg, Sheytan-e Koochik or anywhere else in the West. If you think there are better places for an Iranian to live, help yourself out and move there.  

I don't know what you mean by "dumping in the same pot", so I'm not sure what I would be "betting" on. I do know that my life and my family's life is 10 times better in the U.S., despite its problems, than in the rotten IRI. That is true of a large majority of Iranian-Americans. How sad that they are treated so much better here, again despite America's problems, than they are in the country of their birth.

The western-trained pseudo-Islamist operators who carried the 9/11 were on the west payroll for long time. You wanna bet on this one too?

The CIA helped the "mujahideen" in Afghanistan to counter the Soviet invasion and influence there. If you have credible evidence that the 9/11 hijackers were "trained" and on the "payroll" of the U.S. government, I would be interested to see it. In my opinion, it was a mistake to help Islamists, and the U.S. and the world are paying for it. That's why I think the U.S. should do everything possible to roll back and strangulate Islamism--the IRI would be a very good place to start since it helped start this "Death to America" fetish which is shared by its West-residing Groupies.

have you ever seen any Iranians carry a terrorist act against the West or a "Western ally", specifically Israel? Let's bet on this one!

You may want to stop "betting", since you're not very good at it. On Nov. 4, 1979, a bunch of bearded goons and "chaghookesh" calling themselves students of the Emam's line invaded the U.S. embassy, took the embassy staff hostage for 444 days, and paraded them on TV. Or is "hostage taking" not terrorism? IRI thugs have assassinated Iranians living in Europe (one of whom was recently welcomed back by an official IRI delegation) and even the U.S. This is not to mention the Shia Islamist goons directly trained and armed by the IRI who hijacked planes in Beirut and elsewhere, killed and kidnapped Americans, and blew up American and French embassies (and the Israeli embassy in Argentina). This is a very, very incomplete list--there are many more. BTW, are you living in the U.S. yourself? Just wondering. Cheers  :-)

COP, interesting,

I value honesty. Wihtin the context of this blog, what is that you don't like about us, "the Islamists" ?

Amir,

"Do Iranians want to place themselves in the same category as the
anti-Western Islamist terrorists who carried out 9/11 and the bombings
in London, Madrid, etc?"

Amir, assuming you are an Iranian, in the calculating world of the western politics we, the Iranians are called, demographic, meaning when it comes the time for cooking they'll dump all of us in the same pot! You wanna bet on that?

The western-trained pseudo-Islamist operators who carried the 9/11 were on the west payroll for long time. You wanna bet on this one too?

But I know what you mean...To answer that, there is a difference between a militaristic policy of a government and the ordinary citizens of a country, have you ever seen any Iranians carry a terrorist act against the West or a "Western ally", specifically Israel? Let's bet on this one!

Doctor x.

Let's leave it at, I admire him in some aspects.

that the best you can do, abu westy?

Where did your islamist  eyes see that I advocate such things, you brainwashed, backward, misguided soul?

I simply dislike you people, that's all.

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Great, as if this isn't radical enough

now we have hojatieh waiting to be next for the islamic throne. aayaa yaa.

"They believe that chaos must be created to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the 12th Shi'ite imam.."

yeah, very similar to the ideology of the Christian Right and their longing for the coming of the mesiah.....

Religion, you gotta love it.............. NOT!

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COP,

I see I pushed your button buddy. I tell you this pal, maybe from your cost of progress perspective bombing Iran is justified but the peasant like us, whom easily outnumber you and yours alike, call you brighten-headed-paralyzed-visionary-drunkard-fossiles, nothing!
I don't waste my time on someone like you buddy. Go get a life! Don't they offer Bingo in your nursing home? 

The jig is up Hojatieh

The jig is up Hojatieh groupies:

Wikepedia
Hojjatieh is a semi-clandestine Iranian organization which is radically anti-Bahá'í and anti-Sunni. The group flourished during the 1979 revolution that ousted the Shah and installed an Islamic government in his place. However it was banned in 1983 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of the revolution. They believe that chaos must be created to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the 12th Shi'ite imam. Only then, they argue, can a genuine Islamic republic be established. The Hojjatieh is more of an anarchic-Islamic group than your typical Islamic fundamentalist group.

The current president of Iran Mahmud Ahmadinejad is rumored to be an advocate of this group, though this has not been confirmed anywhere.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hojjatieh

Asia Times - Shi'ite supremacists emerge from Iran's shadows
//www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x141940

COP: Precisely...lol I

COP: Precisely...lol

I smell pure hatred for NaKhodis...hahaha

COP

IRI is ranked 94 out of 104. On the bright side, it is ranked higher than 10 other countries. Where does the Saeqeh rank among advanced fighter planes, I wonder?

Leave Iranians Alone???

a better way to state this would have been:

"Leave us, the Islamists, alone to do whatever we want with Iran as we have in the past 31 years, we are strong (after all we pay for top rated junk from north korea) and plan on taking over the world with the help of emam zaman to rid the universe of zionism, pork rinds and sanitary napkins. Do not bother us with things such as nationaslim, human rights, and rule of the law, unless its sharia "law". We will stone, rape and murder those standing in our divine way, because we are strong enough, we are smart enough and by gollie, people love us......."

I know that's what you wanted to say midwesty. You're in the big bad west, aren't you? Why live among the infidels when you can join your fellow opressors?

Here, check out the prosperity that your beloved mullahs have brought to iran:

www.prosperity.com/prosperiscope.aspx

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Midwesty,

Yes... "was a factor in starting the war" but more or less an excuse for a vicious dog with rabies...

Iraq started the invasion (though IRI's desire to "export the revolution" helped spark it); however, Emam-e Aziz definitely was the main culprit for its continuation from 1982-1988, when most of the deaths and destruction occurred. As you know, Emam is the cancer at the heart of the IRI.

What I am saying is to leave Iranians alone! Think there is no Iran.

I am of Iranian background, was born there, and have relatives who live there--not in Cuba, etc. The IRI and its disastrous 31-year rule are the biggest problem Iranians have to deal with (and it's a problem for the U.S., i.e. my adopted country, due to its anti-American terrorism). The IRI should not "be left alone" to continue killing and torturing Iranians and supporting anti-American terrorism. Sorry  :-(    

This fire is not the fire you want to play with. The very small scale of what IRI is capable of was shown during the 33 day war between Hezbollah and Israel.

About 160 Israelis were killed in Hezbollah's" Divine Victory" in 2006(compared to several hundred thousands Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war). If that is the pinnacle of Arab/Islamist military "success" (which it basically is), then you know that the standards for Arab/Islamist fighting are very, very low. It would be best for the IRI not to continue with actions that would give the U.S. just cause to attack the IRI. The U.S. has over 40 times Israel's population and is an expert at demolishing Arab/Islamist goons in Iraq, etc (the same military that the IRI couldn't defeat the U.S. took care of in 3 weeks in both 1991 and 2003). I also think it is immoral for Iranians who have emigrated to the West to support an anti-Western, anti-Iranian terrorist regime. Do Iranians want to place themselves in the same category as the anti-Western Islamist terrorists who carried out 9/11 and the bombings in London, Madrid, etc? Regards.

Midwesty

LOL:))

dude. Do you live in Obama's head or something? His sentiments exactly!!!!!!!

wow. that was good:)

VPK,

"Regime change is not to please the West; it is for Iranians. We benefit
form regime change any benefit to the West is incidental".

Thanks for the joke man! Made my day!

Doctor x,

To bring a chamoosh kid back home you need to chase him all over!

vildemose,

I saw you smelled me again. Don't you have anything useful to do dear?

Amir, I am starting to like you now...

Yes... "was a factor in starting the war" but more or less an excuse for a vicious dog with rabies...

What I am saying is to leave Iranians alone! Think there is no Iran...Go get Cuba, or Venezuela, or Pakistan or China, or India, or North Korea, or Zimbabwe, or Burma, or Sudan, or ... 

This fire is not the fire you want to play with. The very small scale of what IRI is capable of was shown during the 33 day war between Hezbollah and Israel...Let's not allow the deceitful attitude of the West covers the facts of today's reality. Have respect for your enemy and show respect... 

Amir, VPK, and DX: There

Amir, VPK, and DX:

There is no Countering hysteriacal Islamists loons with facts and reason.

Midwesty

Why are you all over the place and draw the most out-of-this-world conclusions?

It is a certain absolute fact that iran did not start the war, but things changed towards the end, Honestly now did they not?

Midwesty

Regime change is not to please the West; it is for Iranians. We benefit form regime change any benefit to the West is incidental. Now you are so much in love with IRI.

Why don't you move there man.

Midwesty

So you agree that Iran didn't instigate any war!

Huh? I didn't say that. IRI's attempt to "export the revolution" was a factor in starting the war.

To have the Iranians finish the regime change project making it the least expensive regime change project for the West ever!

What are you saying, that you are opposed to Regime Change in Iran?

If not, then what is your view? What is the "hope" of you and "like-minded" folks? To make "Marg bar Amrika" more than just a desire and turn it into reality? To keep the IRI going?

Amir,

Chill man! Let's not loose focus.

So you agree that Iran didn't instigate any war! So your hope is false bro at best and deceitful at worst...but let me say what you and your like-minded are really hoping for:

To have the Iranians finish the regime change project making it the least expensive regime change project for the West ever!

So what else were you saying?!

Midwesty

You got it half right. 

IRI is absolutely bad; evil and beyond reform.

West is not absolutely good. 

IRI bad does in no way imply West is good. Of course the mind of an Islamist is incapable of complex thought. So here we are.

Midwesty,

I hope you are not telling me that Iraq's years of building up its military was just to have a nice and synchronized marching parade on their revolution anniversary? Are you?

I hope you are not saying that Emam didn't called the war a "blessing" when it broke out.

I hope you are not saying that Emam and his goons didn't try to "export the revolution" to Iraq, Lebanon, and other Muslim countries (especially those with Shia populations).

I hope you are not saying that the IRI's leaders didn't repeatedly say that the purpose of the war was to "liberate" Karbala and to then continue from Karbala to Qods.

I hope you are not saying that Emam didn't refuse to end the war until 1988, and when he ended it he was so reluctant that he compared it to "drinking the poisoned chalice".

I hope you don't think that the IRI can erase those facts, do you? Cheers.

Iranian.com is used to spread lies& promote terrorist activities

Is Israel determined to be the only country in the ME to be a nuclear power? Is there any law that says UK, Russia, China, Israel, France, Pakistan, and India can have nuclear weapons, but Iran cannot? Iran will not attack any country, especially with nuclear weapon, knowing that Israel + the US (= USrael ) have more than 25,000 nuclear war heads.

Why Israel and the USA do not permit inspection of their nuclear sites?   How about India or China?  Does China treat its decedents better than Iran?  Does Israel treat its neighbors better than Iran?

With the lies spewed on daily basis in the media, especially after Iraq invasion, it would be good to know that the Western media and people learned a lesson which should have not easily forgotten.  But no!!, the same garbage is being uttered against Iran. In any event, Israel does not believe its own propaganda.  In March of 2009, the Washington Post reported that … a senior Israeli official did not believe Iran would attack Israel because of the retaliation.  And on Jan. 10, 2010, Sunday Times of London reported that Uzi Eilam believes it will take Iran seven years to make the weapons.

In 2002, Israel defense minister said that … “we have the capability to take the world down with us, before Israel goes under.” If any country is a threat to the world is the USA and/or Israel.

Amir,

I hope you are not telling me that Iraq's years of building up its military was just to have a nice and synchronized marching parade on their revolution anniversary? Are you?

Midwesty

"...and what's that hope?

The hope that the IRI leaders don't help instigate another war involving Iran, like they did in the 1980s.

Maryam,

The west is absolutely good and IRI is absolutely bad...hmmm...reminds me of the vision of an insane man who was the leader of the sane world couple of years ago...

Amir,

"Let's hope things don't come to that"...and what's that hope?