Learning from Hafez

dreams

Thank you for all the comments and keeping the post interesting. Whichever way we look at it, I am very proud of Bobak Ferdowsi. It's wonderful seeing people achieve their dreams that take years to build, from Olympians to scientists  - all of which occured during the same week. 

Demo

I understand what youre trying to say. But the reason humans set out on projects like Apollo and Curiosity is not one of extravaganza and political pomp, but in essence it is a manifestation of our desire to reach takaamol: The grand achievement is not getting to Mars or the Moon per se (and bringing back rocks e.g.), but the process of doing so and rising to the challenge. IOW, what makes exploring the universe so worthwhile is not the endpoint or end result, but the road that we traverse to get to the endpoint. Hence the intertwined nature of "dars" (study and learning) to "mondares". 

thanks

Mamour/Fesenjoon2/Demo: I'm pleased about your more civilized tone towards each other - and some interesting links, too - thanks.  Much of the art of communication is trying to make sure we "disagree without being disagreeable." (I still have much to learn from that domain - as Iranians we find this very hard to do - to make a point, without insulting another party, often just for the sake of it.) So.... Thanks, again. 

CONGRATULATIONS again, to Bobak Ferdowsi and his Colleagues at NASA on their MARS Curiosity project. I still love the idea of "Ferdowsi" - just that word - being associated with such a significant achievement this past week. A very happy coiincidence.

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با تشکر دوباره

از فسنجون گرامی از محبتتان و تهیه لینک. مقصود از نوشته اینجانب این بود که آیا فضانوردان سوغاتی بدرد بخور از سطح صخره ای و بیابان مانند ماه به همراه آوردند و یا نه؟ تمام کشفیات و تحقیقیات قبل از سفر و بعد از سفر هیچکدام ارتباطی به ماهیت خود ماه که غیر از آینه ای برای انعکاس نور خورشید نیست ندارند. و این واقعیتی است مکتوب در قرآن. و چگونه یک عرب بیسواد چادرنشین در ١٥ قرن پیش اینرا میدانسته بماند.  

Demo joon

شما باعث آزردگی خاطر من یکی که نشدید. ما قبولت داریم.

اما اینکه گفتی سفر انسان به ماه هیچ بهره ای برای بشر نداشت بشدت حرف اشتباهیست. دفعه دیگه که (خدای ناکرده) بر بالین یک بیمار دیالیزی برای عیادت رفتی بدان که دستگاهی که بیمار به آن وصله محصول آزمایشاتی هست که متخصصین ناسا در پروژه آپولو اختراع کردند:

//spinoff.nasa.gov/apollo.htm 

HFB joon

کسی با کسی دعوا نداره که. لا اقل من که با کسی ندارم. بقیه را نمیدونم. اما ما فقط داشتیم حرف میزدیم با هم.

According to your quote from the prophet, I m an arab

not educated enough to work here

I would like to apologize from Miss Hafez for taking our debate onto her blog, however I will try to avoid any not nice sounding words here!!

I wear an Omega watch

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I wear an Omega watch

Boys

Boys: Thanks very much for all the technical updates and glad that the "jang o dava" tone between you went down...

I'm not very technical - just happy for anyone celebrating such a big dream. When you hear Bobak speak, it comes through, the utter joy. And dreams that don't hurt anyone - (a fraction of the money spent on a simple Presidential election) - and help to advance something, anything, are touching. Thanks, again.

"Curiosity," "The U.S." and "God" : for Dummies and Idiots both!

1) Curiosty's scientific capacities is a lot more than just sanppping photos and sending them to Earth, this $5 billion dollars flying lab is also equipped to drill the surface of Mars, extract its soil, analyze the content, and send back to Earth the result of its finding. Of course for blind fools still lost in "the book" of an illetrate child molester, "god" had predicted all this thousands of years ago, but for the rest of humanity, this is considered a major achievement.

2) The U.S.: As much negative aspects and limitations we could assign to this nation-state, at the same time it also holds some of the major achievements of modern world, in culture, politics and science. From the American Revolution, to Civil Wars, to Civil Rights movements, to the Occupy Movement, the U.S. has always had major, significant social movements that were emulated throughout the world. Also keep in mind that "Social Amnesia" as such has not escaped the notice of American social scientists,   

A Critique of Contemporary Psychology

//books.google.com/books/about/Social_Amnesia.html?id=ShKUT5rSpBMC

The difference between these homegrown critiques of US culture and our fellow village idiots, is that the former is motivated by a great humanistic impulse, whereas the latter is originated in an ignorant, arrogant, populist demagogy.

3) Last and the least: this obtuse notion of "GOD." It simply does not exist, get used to it. This is merely a figment of human's twisted, weak, sick, imagination. An impulse to place a fictional authority above oneself, so as to  accommodate for all humanity's limitations and non-understanding. Whereas in pre-historic times, such an obtuse course of thought would have seem "normal," in our era, with all our advancement in though, science and philosophy, such notions are simply too ridiculous, and only benefitial to organized religions: the MOST CORRUPT FORCES ON EARTH.

با تشکر از افسانه خانم و دیگر دوستان

دمو کی گفت که خدا تحقیقات فضایی را ممنوع کرده؟ بر عکس. خداوند در قرآن
میگوید که آنچه را که در آسمان و زمین است به تسخیر بشر در آورده است. ولی
دلیل وجود ستارگان را زینت و زیبایی کهکشان توصیف میکند. و بهمین جهت
همانطوری که سفر انسان به ماه هیچ بهره ای برای بشر نداشت سفرش به مریخ درجهت پیدا کردن الماس و برلیان هم تلف کردن وقت است و سرمایه. با تشکر از
افسانه خانم و دیگر دوستان برای تذکرات مفیدشان. و با تقاضای پوزش از حضور
همگی اگر نوشته های اینجانب باعث آزردگی خاطرشان گشت. با آرزوی بهترینها
برای همگی. 

مأمور جون

تو بلاخره موافق اكتشاف فضائي هستي يا (مثل دمو كه فكر ميكنه خدا ممنوعش كرده) مخالفش؟

Demo 2/2

NASA type projects are often so challenging and difficult, that they necessitate the creation of new technologies. That is why one of the main reasons for undertaking grand projects like The Moon Landing, or Mars Curiosity, or even The Large Hadron Collider, has to do with the technology that comes out as a result of these huge efforts.

For example, did you know that thousands of patents from NASA space programs are responsible for technologies that benefit the everyday lives of people (from medicine to agriculture)? See a sample list at: 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

//spinoff.nasa.gov/shuttle.htm

If the world is full of poverty, it's not because Mars exploration programs are wasting our financial and intellectual resources. It's because the world is full of greedy bastards that want to force others to submit to their will. In the case of Iran, it's the Mullahs that refuse to budge from power at the cost of people's well being. Ali sat aside for 23 years, even though (as we are told) it was his right to rule. Did he throw monkey wrenches at the other 3 Caliphs and start a conflict for his right? No. So what makes these mullahs think they should stay in power for 35 years at the cost of dragging the country into war and chaos? A country that is 2nd in oil, 3rd in gas, etc. shouldn't have poverty. It's human ignorance, greed, and totalitarianism that creates poverty, not reaching for the stars!!

روایت آخوندی و روایت سعودی

آن که فسنجون اشاره کرد، نقل از رسول خدا درباره ایرانیها ،ساخته دست آخوندها در قم میباشد!
روایتی هم که وهابیون برایتان نقل کنم،
' رسول خدا قبل از مرگش جانشینی برای خودش تعین نمیکند!! بعد از ایشان شورا تشکیل میشود و ابو بکر به خلافت برگزیده میشود. هر چند ۲ سال بعد که خود ابو بکر به بستر بیماری میافتد تصمیم می گیرد که از سنت رسول پیروی نکند و خودش عمر را به خلافت بعد از مرگش انتخاب میکند!!'
اگر این دو روایت را در کنار هم بگذارید تاریخ را به درستی یاد گرفتیم!! حضرت محمد (ص) از خیر انتخاب جانشین برای خود گذشت چون هیچ عربی به اندازه ایرانیها علم دانش نداشت و فرد لایقی وجود نداشت!!
ابوبکر هم عمر را انتخاب کرد تا علم دانش ایرانیها محفوظ باقی بماند!! در صورت انتخاب علی، این امکان وجود داشت که ایشان(علی) از سود عربها و علم دانش ایرانیها غافل شود و دنبال حزب الله لبنان و علویهای سوریه بیافتد!!

I wear an Omega watch

Demo 1/2

God says: "contemplate the wonders of creation" (Quran 3:191). Muslims are encouraged to seek knowledge, explore the universe, and find the "Signs of Allah" in His creation, as per 2:164, for example.

Jihaalat, is not something your Quran wishes Muslims to associate themselves with. And calling scientific projects of NASA idiotic, is a perfect example of Jihalat. And I'll tell you why in my next post (2/2).

What does GOD say about the Mars?

Isn't it something that the commentator below, Fesenjoon2, who been scorning Islam & Mohammed for all his/her life is now quoting Mohammed as Prophet Mohammed? And Prophet Mohammed could not have had possibly said (a false hadith!) that because GOD says very clearly about all cosmos as below in Quran:

"We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty of the stars,- (for beauty only) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits," (Verses 6 & 7, Chapter 37).

Whether the cost be 2.5 B or 25 B (a type'o error & sorry for that) makes no difference. Even spending a buck is too much for such mission as that could help to feed a poor family somewhere in world. And let Moshe lives with his dream of finding diamond in Mars. No diamonds but radio active materials not transferable to earth in Mars.Sorry you greedy Moshe.

"I remember you"

Iraj Khan: Interesting information on NASA and Iranian interns, thanks.

Fesenjoon2 and Mamour: Thanks - Hafez has his own views on "science and faith/religion." There are a few gems there. Perhaps another Blog can be about that - watch this space.

LA TIMES: A lovely quote from Bobak Ferdowsi:

LATimes: Do you think your image will inspire more kids to think NASA -- and science in general -- might actually be cool?

Bobak Ferdowsi: That would be like a dream come true for me. I would love to be working here 10 years from now and some guy who was in high school or middle school at the time sees me and is like, "I remember you, you're one of the reasons I got into NASA." Even if one kid is like that, I'd probably get a little emotional. 

ایمان و علم

 نمیدانم این چه طرز تفکری هست که این دو را متناقض یک دیگر میداند؟؟ دین و مذهب برای روح بشر است و علم برای جسم!! ساده بگم، دزدی کردن حرام است حالا اگر بشر به هر درجه علمی هم که برسد باز دزدی کردن حرام خواهد ماند!!
خوشا به حال آنهای که از علم و فناوری فضائی استفاده کرده و دین و ایمان خود را از فضا استخراج میکنند!!

I wear an Omega watch

What did Prophet Muhammad say?

"If knowledge be at Soraya (star Vega), the youth from Ajam (fars) will reach for it."

//fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AD%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%AB_%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C

For all his magnanimous arrogance, Mohammad got this one right! 

To Its Credit,

NASA has had an open door policy towards accepting young Iranian college students as interns. I personally knew two Iranian students who worked for NASA as interns.

I was reading an article about him where his name was spelled 'Ferdoski' and his nationality was not mentioned.

Positive images of Iranians and Iran are welcomed, be it Hafez or Ferdosi, thanks :) 

Dreams

Iranlovesisrael: Thanks for the correction of the cost of this mission! I did want to add, out of respect for those persecuted because of the very same star of david that is in your post's image, I would recommend refraining from the usage of the term "rag-head" for any group.  The same people who used such sweepingly derogatory terms caused much suffering in Europe during WW2. But I do agree with you, that celebrating a person of Iranian heritage's positive contribution to NASA is healthy. Thanks.

DREAMS: There have been comments about dreams here - whether it is right or wrong to dream of Mars. For me, so long as humans are doing something that is positive that happens to be their dream, it is touching and humbling. I'm very happy for Bobak Ferdowsi and his NASA colleagues and congratulate them, again! Their dream is different to mine -  but pursuing your hearts desire, whatever it might be so long as it is not hurting people, is very honorable. Hafez champions nourishing your heart - Congratulations again NASA and Bobak.

Off 'Peacock' and Martians....!

First of all, it is 2.5 B and not 25 B. The cost of Curiosity, that is! Second, Mars has large reserves of gold, diamond, and other precious stones. Women/chicks (diamonds are the girl's best friends) on Earth dig these items and there is a limited supply of them. My uncle, Moshe, in New York who is a diamond dealer has already set his eyes on getting to Mars. He has already bought acres of land on the northern hemisphere of the planet for excavation. By the year 2035, there will be man mission to the Mars by NASA. America and Israel must get there before the Chinese and their rag-head friends the mullahs.

Shlomo is going to Mars with you or without you!.

thank you

Thank you for the comments: Please, out of respect, I would appreciate not bringing "Idiot this or that"  to the table. 

The energy of what is possible in this world, was very positive last week. Congratulations again, Bobak Ferdowsi and NASA

Travel to Mars for Idiots

FYI: No offence meant in using the word 'Idiot' per se. Too much respect indeed to describe any party involved with the spending of 25 billions (25 with 9 zeors in front of that) dollars to send a 'camera robot' to a dry/super cold/airless/all radio active materials surfaced planet. Astronomers with their inexpensive telescopes have already discovered all such and with a tiny fraction of that budget they could have brought the whole Mars to us. And while the earthy humans are suffering from all sorts of problems like draught, hunger, wars, diseaes, and etc. what is exciting for them to hear about 'Travelling to Mars' anyways. And that is why the world often sees Americans as 'idiots.' Because America is a nation of amnesiacs. And sadly Baback looks like one them in his picture & certainly not like a 'Peacock' or not like an Iranaian of Ferdowsi, Hafez, Rumi, and too many other heavenly peacocks types like them.

"Babak is an idiot!" Why? Because he is an MIT graduate!

I guess to meet the standard of being "cool" in IC is one with a rag or turban around their heads. Actually, it's quite refreshing to see folks of Iranian descent in the areas of scientific explorations. We have enough of Khamenei lovers and Ahmadinejds's admirers is IC. We don't need one in JPL! 

Shlomo would move to the Mars in a second!

:- )

Truthseeker9: funny.... thanks.

Babak's efforts not in vain

First pictures to come back ...

//cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/mars-curiosity-landing-muppets-sesame-street.jpg 

Thanks for the blog. 

ba tashakor

Frist ammendment: thank you for your comments - and I agree, "nothing" wrong with that feeling - as long as it doesn't obscure reality.

Rouzbeh Gilani: thanks for sharing your views. 

"Babak is an idiot"