160 Years of oppressing the Baha'is

Neutral observer

Please note the self-righteous arrogance in the ideological fundamentalism and sectarian bigotry of the Haifan Bahais on this thread. Such thinking demonstrated by them is indeedthe minds of brainwashed cultists.

Also note that the false victim narratives peddled by the Haifan Bahai propagandists here regarding Baha'is killed for 160 years is patently false. Bahaism is only 146 years old and the number of individuals in total killed for their beliefs, according to all estimates, does not exceed two thousand in total during this 146 year period. Babism/the religion of the Bayan is a different creed altogether and the numbers martyred of its adherents well exceeds (in only a few short years) the total number of Baha'is killed in 146 years.

Dear CoP

This creature with 101 IDs on i.com calls anyone that questions his sanity a Bahai.  Not that there is anything wrong with being a Bahai but just shows to his character.

A final word

Out of respect for those members of the Baha'i community of Iran who have lost their lives for upholding their faith in the course of the last 160 years and those who are being incarcerated for being faithful to their creed and also out of respect for Faryar's request to put an end to this debate, I am not going to engage those who berate us in a pointless argument.

I only wished to add that no Baha'i, whether a convert to the faith or a born-to-the-faith member, would ever leave the faith for honorable or selfless reasons. It simply makes absolutely no sense for one to leave the path that leads to peace and purity in exchange for a return to an inferior state of spritual and intellectual evolution. Unless there are ulterior motives at work. There are those whose worldly interests and greed for power drives them to a dogmatic and depraved behavior. There is no place for such behavior in Baha'i faith. The people exhibiting such behavior are not welcomed in the community and the know it themselves. They are the ones who 'jump' before being 'pushed.' 

Nur if I had such friends

I'd be married to them and I'd drink all their champaign while reading your books!

I still think you don't need my help. You're doing great on your own. 

Marge-i-'aziz

I wouldn't be too worried about the Haifan Baha'is gaining too much ground. There also other Baha'is sects coming into prominence themselves so that evens everything out. The historical process/providence, or Karma (however you look at it), always has a way of counterbalancing things. The very fact that there are people such as myself is proof that it ain't gonna be smooth sailing for our Haifan friends here.

There are however certain special interests, I believe, who are actively promoting Bahaism as a future national religion for Iran or the region. I believe these people are rather silly, myopic and will utlimately fail. Almost forty years ago these same special interests also concocted such nonsense as the "Green Belt Theory" that took down the Shah and brought Khomeini to power. Fortunately, though, the Iranians of this generation are far more switched on than those of the previous generation so I think with a little information and facts people will figure out things for themselves.

But, hey, if you have friends in big publishing houses you want to introduce me to, I can write you non-fiction that will shame Dan Brown!

Nur you have a serious story here

Bahai is gaining so much ground what with the New Agers looking to expand into realms that offer higher spiritual consciousness yadda yadda. 

So what I mean is, you need to get a screenplay cracking. Your story/experience sounds like the next Da Vinci Code to me a la Vatican BS.

Good luck. 

Cost-of-Decline

There's no such thing as Islamophobia. It is an invented term

//iranian.com/main/blog/cost-progress/7-conditions-warning-signs-foster-fuel-fascism

7. Organized Propaganda:

a) The creation of social mythology that venerates (creates saints
of) one element of society while concurrently vilifying (dehumanizing)
another element of the population through misinformation, misdirection
and the obscuring of factual matter through removal, destruction or
social humiliation, (name-calling, false accusations, belittling and
threats).

b) The squelching of public debate not agreeing with the popular
agenda via slander, label, threats, theft, destruction, historical
revisionism and social humiliation. Journalists in particular are
terrorized if they attempt to publish stories contrary to the agenda.

 --

 You must be a fascist, then :)

Dear All

Can I ask everyone to not pursue this anymore..

there are more important issues at hand. 

Nima's Letter of resignation, explains everything.

faryarm 

Nuri

"That all the aggression and bile, Islamophobia and self-righteousness, is coming exclusively from these Haifan Bahais and no one else.

This is your most stupid statement YET!

There's no such thing as Islamophobia. It is an invented term by people like you - Kaase haaye daagh tar az aash...

First you were Bahai, then you were not. Now you say you're not moslem but beat your chest to a pulp for Islam and attack anyone who speaks out against the cult.

You present this veneer of open mindness, but resort to name calling and cyber violence when your twisted views are challenged.

FYI, I am not even Bahai. Now put that in YOUR pipe, but don't smoke it - put it where "the sun don't shine...."

OK? googooli magooli?

Told you I'd catch you elsewhere, didn't I?

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IRAN, BEFORE ISLAM 

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Anvar

You are wondering whether *hooshi* is a true Baha’i or not.

I'm not wondering at all. I know he is.

Well, how about you?  What kind of a Baha’i are you?

None. I am not a Bahai at all.

You certainly have a knack for soliciting help from all these other “Baha’is” here on this site.

That's funny, with one side of your mouth you say people like Jeffrey aren't Bahais, when they insist they are, and then with the other side of your mouth you complain about me "soliciting help from other Baha'is"? Either you recognize Jeffrey as a Baha'i or you don't. If you don't, then by your own logic I am not soliciting help from Baha'is. But if Jeffrey is a Baha'i, then your song and dance about me and others here in disagreement with your nonsense is false. Surely you are not that completely brainwashed that you can't see the flawed logic of your argument for what it is.

 Before you were about to get kicked out of the Faith, you withdrew your membership.

BS. No one was going to kick me out. Please bring evidence if you know otherwise. I voluntarily resigned from your cult in November 1996, and that was that. But note I had already been a non-Bahai for a long time before that. I just formalized it myself in 1996. Yes, if the Baha'i Politburo in Wilmette had known that I had been initiated into an Iranian Sufi Order in 1993 (a fact I had kept from them), they would've acted and expelled me prior to the Talisman fiasco. But since they did not know until after I left, the 1996 Talisman UHJ/ITC fascist crackdown gave me the necessary excuse to take the next step and formally leave.

That message from TRB dated 1999 is neither here nor there. It is was a generous expression of universalism, or ta'arof,  and nothing more. Since not too long after that date in 1999 I began intensely studying the Bayani writings, looking at the true course of events from the historical texts, and interacting with the Bayani community, effectively right after that date my views about your central figures also radically shifted and changed. This is a process all ex-Bahais go through: first, blaming the current UHJ for all the problems in the Bahai faith; then shifting the blame to Shoghi Effendi; next to Abbas Effendi before finally realizing that the core source of  all the problems is actually with the very founder of your creed himself,  Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri, and so all real blame lays squarely at his feet and no one elses.

you must still be some kind of a Baha’i.  Right?

Nope. I am no kind of Bahai. I have nothing but utter contempt for the founders and central figures of your creed, the totally  abaki teachings of Bahaism, and the institutions that represent it.

Perhaps, you tried to create your own “Baha’i” group before you were about to get kicked out.

Sorry, my name is neither Eric Stetson nor Fred Glaysher. Again, I harbor nothing but utter contempt for the founders and central figures of your creed, the silly abaki teachings of Bahaism, and the institutions that represent it today.

Could it be that you wanted to be the head of Muslim Sufis for Baha’u’llah by any chance?

How about Majnoons for Talisman?  (and you insist that no one was about to kick you out!)

The information on Fred Glaysher's site is true, factual, unassailable and incontrovertible. QED.

Visit as often as you like :)

PS - NEUTRAL OBSERVER, please note that contrary to the claim being made on this blog, Bahaism is NOT 160 years old, but technically 146.

Fateh, you are an idiot!

You wanted to resign from the Bahai community and they threw your ass out.

Nope. I resigned period. No one threw me out anywhere. If you know otherwise, as I have challenged you before, prove it with evidence. I put in a resignation letter in November 1996 and it was immediately accepted, and I have not looked back. 

But the more appropriate question is why do you lie about your own Baha'i adherence when you and I both know you are a card carrying member of the Haifan Baha'i organization? The only reason you lie, as you and I both know, is that it gives a convenient cover to your Islamophobia and your hate criminality towards the Muslim community.

And the detective work, as you call it, is not Faryar's. It is called rather the files kept by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY, i.e. the Haifan Bahai version of the KGB or SAVAK/VEVAK.

Neutral observer, please also see  Faramarz Fateh, Islamophobia and Iranian.Com.

Dear Hooshie, a touching and timely post, and Faryar aziz....

wonderful work," afarin", could you keep this one and use it every time:)))

With hope of freedom for all in Iran,

Tahirih

Great detective work Mr. Faryar

Nima Haziini, what happened to you is called "sharting".  Shitting when you only wanted to fart while wearing your church cloths and inside the church.

You wanted to resign from the Bahai community and they threw your ass out.  Probably because they knew what kind of deranged individual you are.  I suggest you double your anti depression meds.

People should note

That all the aggression and bile, Islamophobia and self-righteousness, is coming exclusively from these Haifan Bahais and no one else.

See,

//bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

Yes, I wrote it

That was 1999. A lot of things have changed since then.

Nima / Wahid Azal, did you write this?

Did you write this? I had not seen this before?

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Nima9.htm 

From: <wahdat@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: Letter of resignation

Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 1:35 AM

Dear Susan and all,

Sorry to jump into the conversation. I usually don't post to these

forums. But something you wrote caught my eye. You said:

"My understanding of our present policy, which is based solely on

empirical observation, not any statement in writing, is that if

a person wishes to leave for reasons other than losing faith in

Baha'u'llah the NSA will write them back and inform them that this is

really not an adequate reason for withdrawing. However, the NSA will

accept their resignation if they write back and second time and insist

on leaving."

This isn't exactly how it happened to me. When I sent in my resignation

letter to the American National Spiritual Assembly back in November

1996, I told them in no uncertain terms that I wished to withdraw from

the *Baha'i community* due to the wrong direction I felt the Baha'i

Faith was currently being led by its leadership given all that

transpired as a result of the Talisman 1 fiasco. But I also spelled it

out to them very strongly that I continued to believe in Baha'u'llah as the Manifestation of God for the age (which I still do). They speedily

accepted my resignation without why or wherefore, yet didn't seem to

have gotten the distinction I made in my letter that I was merely

leaving the community and not the Faith itself. Interestingly, when the

House responded to my withdrawal (I had cc'd them), they did understand

the distinction I had made but told me it was one I couldn't make. To

make a long story short, I chose to remain on the outside until such

time as the internal contradictions (to use a marxian catch-phrase)

within the Baha'i community are resolved. But I am still very much a

believing Baha'i (Bab, Baha'u'llah, `Abdul-Baha, Shoghi Effendi,

Universal House of Justice and all).

Best regards, Nima

Sent via Deja.com //www.deja.com/

Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Now that we’re asking all kinds of questions…

Let me ask a few too, after I thank *hooshie* for sharing this video.

*Nur-i-Azal* - You are wondering whether *hooshi* is a true Baha’i or not.  Well, how about you?  What kind of a Baha’i are you?  You certainly have a knack for soliciting help from all these other “Baha’is” here on this site.  Before you were about to get kicked out of the Faith, you withdrew your membership.  In your resignation letter, in 1996, you wrote that you were only withdrawing from the “Baha’i Community” and as you so eloquently put, you were “…still very much a believing Baha'i (Bab, Baha'u'llah, `Abdul-Baha, Shoghi Effendi, Universal House of Justice and all).”

Assuming you are a stable man with integrity, who didn’t lie, you must still be some kind of a Baha’i.  Right?  Hmmm, let me guess.  With your ego, it is unlikely for you to join one of these other so-called Baha’i groups.  Perhaps, you tried to create your own “Baha’i” group before you were about to get kicked out.  I’ve heard of the group Jews for Jesus.  Could it be that you wanted to be the head of Muslim Sufis for Baha’u’llah by any chance?  How about Majnoons for Talisman?  (and you insist that no one was about to kick you out!)

Ahhh, my bad!  You did lie in that letter, didn’t you?  Judging from your user name, you’re probably pretending to be an Azali these days.  Just like under *Zulfiqar110*, one of your many IDs here, you were pretending to be a Muslim, albeit not technically!  Whatever you are, I’m grateful you’re not a Baha’i.

Like I’ve said before, I’ll stop visiting if you state that the information on this site is false and unreliable:
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Nima9.htm

*JeffreyOBF* - Are you the same gentleman who spent many years as a sans-Guardian before becoming Orthodox by any chance?  The same person who “…is presently the Secretary of the National Bahá'í Council, the governing body for the Orthodox Bahá'ís in the United States, he is a Hand of the Cause of God, and is the Treasurer of the International Bahá'í Council for the world-wide Orthodox Bahá'ís.”  Not to mention, a webmaster.  

If so, I admire your stamina!  Any particular reason for this one-man band situation?  Perhaps, when or if you can touch the hearts of people, then you’ll increase your membership roll and won’t have to carry the entire burden by yourself.  And if you’re not the same gentleman, then give him a hand for God’s sake!  There is much more to the Faith than just the name that you insist on borrowing.  
//trueseeker.typepad.com/about.html

Anvar

Dear friends

Thank you for your expression of interest and support in this blog.

Souri jan,

I am greatful for your kind words.

Faryar jan

Thank you very much for reminding us of the most precious words of Bahá'u'lláh' in reference to `Abdu'l-Bahá and the model of perfection that he was and still remains unmatched. Just as a footnote I would like to add that I have never dreamt of even being near that model status and my words and deeds are light years away from such exalted state. Life is a continous process of testing and being tested. I happen to be a very mediocre pupil of life. Thanks again.

Ruhi jan

May your prayers come true and we see an end to this apparatus of tyrrany.

AstroidX jan

Thank you for speaking the truth.

Mona jan

Very sad news indeed. Thanks for informing us.

Behfar Khanjani & Afshin Ighani were arrested

ادامه مطلب

Hooshie "perfect" Bahai or not

Hooshie "perfect" Bahai or not, has not wished death on other human beings (Haifan Bahais) because of ideological or admin disagreements. Those who use manipulation and hostility to try to get their way are no better than the self righteous Mullahs that have ruined Iran and terrorise its people. The mentality is the same, they are just operating under a different name.

JeffreyOBF , Bahais do not advocate death for apostasy or non believers, which IRI has done. You may have personal grievences but please try to keep balance in discussion.

Dear Hooshie, Thanx for the

Dear Hooshie, Thanx for the beautiful clip It is heartbreaking to read the news about the New arrests in Tehran, May these Noble people have the strength and the steadfastness to bear the all the cruelty afflicted onto them, May the Glory of God preotect these innocent souls from the people of tyrany!

"virtues of perfection in personal and social behavior.."

The Only True Example of a Bahai was Abdul Baha...

"Bahá'u'lláh's appointment of `Abdu'l-Bahá as His successor was the means for diffusing His message of hope and universal peace to all corners of the world, for realizing the essential unity of all peoples. In referring to `Abdu'l-Bahá, Bahá'u'lláh wrote:"The glory of God rest upon Thee, and upon whosoever serveth Thee and circleth around Thee. Woe, great woe, betide him that opposeth and injureth Thee. Well is it with him that sweareth fealty to Thee."10 `Abdu'l-Bahá was, in short, the Center of Bahá'u'lláh's Covenant --the instrument for ensuring the unity of the Bahá'í community and preserving the integrity of Bahá'u'lláh's teachings.

As the authorized interpreter of Bahá'u'lláh's teachings, `Abdu'l-Bahá became the "living mouth of the Book, the expounder of the Word."11 Without `Abdu'l-Bahá, the enormous creative power of Bahá'u'lláh's revelation could not have been transmitted to humanity, nor its import fully comprehended. He elucidated the teachings of His Father's Faith, amplified its doctrines, and delineated the central features of its administrative institutions. He was the unerring guide and architect of a rapidly expanding Bahá'í community. In addition, Bahá'u'lláh vested in `Abdu'l-Bahá "the virtues of perfection in personal and social behavior, that humanity may have an enduring model to emulate."12 As the perfect Exemplar of Bahá'u'lláh's teachings and the Pivot of His Covenant, `Abdu'l-Bahá became "the incorruptible medium for applying the Word to practical measures for the raising up of a new civilization." 13 

Thank you for this great video

And I loved your comments hooshie:

"The moment you insist on being "true" this or "true" that you admit that there is something dodgy about your set up".

May God help Yaran and all the innocents people.

You are either a Baha'i or not a Baha'i

There is no such thing as a true Baha'i or a false Baha'i.

Mooshie-i-'aziz

So tell us, do you consider yourself to be a true Baha'i?

Moosh bokhoratet!

The moment you insist on being "true" this or "true" that

... you admit that there is something dodgy about your set up. Every ideology or faith may claim to be a true, or a truer or a truest copy of the original but at the final count there is only one original. As far as I am concerned you may call yourself "true" Bahais for as long as you wish but you will never be Bahais. As simple as this.

Our crime is our Faith too

The Orthodox Baha'is have been harassed for years in the federal courts of the United States by the Wilmette NSA  They seek to prevent us from calling ourselves "Baha'i" and are seeking a contempt finding which means penalty of fines and jail for failure to comply.  How are the Baha'is any different from the Islamic authorities in Iran?

For more information:

//www.truebahai.com/court_case.html