Iqbal Latif

پندار نیک ، گفتار نیک ، کردار نیک

What is known as western philosophy this statement had a considerable influence. In 2005, the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy ranked Zarathustra number two in the chronology of philosophical events.

پندار نیک ، گفتار نیک ، کردار نیک

Even Colotes accused Plato's The Republic of plagiarizing parts of Zoroaster's On Nature, such as the Myth of Er.

Plato learnt of Zoroastrian philosophy through Eudoxus and incorporated much of it into his own Platonic realism. Several ancient Greek writers such as Eudoxus of Cnidus and Latin writers such as Pliny the Elder praised Zoroastrian philosophy as "the most famous and most useful".

Greek philosophy and Roman philosophy became the harbinger of the western civilsation. The Persian philosopher Osthanes was also under the influence of Zarathustra's ideas and philosophy, which afterwards affected the Greek philosophy through Democritus, his student. Zoroastrianism likely had as much influence on the formation of Christianity as did Judaism and the Greek mystery religions.

He is the forgotten Saint of mankind. Post-Classical Western culture though almost forgot Zarathustra; nothing was known of his ideas until the late eighteenth century time; his name was then associated with lost ancient wisdom and was appropriated by Freemasons and other groups who claimed access to such knowledge.

Zarathustra appears in Mozart's opera "Die Zauberflöte" under the variant name "Sarastro", who represents moral order in opposition to the "Queen of the Night". Enlightenment writers such as Voltaire promoted research into Zoroastrianism in the belief that it was a form of rational Deism, preferable to Christianity.

easy does it

 Iqbal the simple solution would be no more guidance needed to find our way in life by the book (religiouse manuals) or mofti (moft khor)telling others how to live ;Back to the basic just live like humane and do good as humane.

Back to the basic should be:

pendar nik,goftar nik ,kerdar nik.......

when there is no followers any more

And the Islam business will close its dookan the world may be abetter place to live for all maybe.

 Maziar

tabarzin

we the peoples are hussain

And the money machines of the world are yazid

at least this ashura has many witnesses and the other was a hadith go figure!

Maziar

Who here is Husayn? And who Yazid?

You decide as to who here is Husayn? And who is Yazid? The facts are:

"Every drop of blood that was shed or is being shed in Afghanistan and Iraq is the responsibility of bin Laden and Zawahiri and their followers," writes Dr Fadl.

This is no less a person but 'Sayyid Imam al-Sharif,' aka Dr Fadl, the person who helped bin Laden create al-Qaeda. Fadl is reported to be one of the first members of Al Qaeda's top council. Sharif, a surgeon who is still known by his underground name of "Dr Fadl", is famous as the author of the Salafi jihadists' "bible" - Foundations of Preparation for Holy War.

Twenty years ago, Dr Fadl became al-Qaeda's intellectual figurehead with a crucial book setting out the rationale for global jihad against the West. He is said to be "one of Ayman Al-Zawahiri's oldest associates, and his book Al-'Unda fi I'dad Al-'Udda ("The Essentials of Making Ready [for Jihad]"), was used as a jihad manual in Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. It was like what Das Kapital was to the Marxists.

He thinks 9/11 "a catastrophe for Muslims," because Al Qaeda's actions "caused the death of tens of thousands of Muslims—Arabs, Afghans, Pakistanis and others."

The equation is simple, Alqaeda terror = Islam+ wanton killing.

Take Islam out and what is left is needless criminality and personal egos of the leadership. (Laden looks at the rule over House of Saud and Zahwari aims for Khalifat of Egypt. In the name of Islam they have destroyed lives of millions). Sayyid Imam al-Sharif (Dr Fadl) has taken Islam out of the Alqaeda equation leaving only criminality behind.

Some say @Terrorism has no religion !!!

911- This war of terror had religious connotation inscribed from inception and written all over it please.

I will disagree, when an act is committed in the name of political symbolism and 'emancipation of a oppressed nation' and it is then presented as a fatwa (1996 and 1998) and no one from Alazhar to Deoband and Qom condemns it and dissociate itself from its religious connotations , such a document constructs the basis of terror legitimised by religion; unreservedly without condemnation and dissociation it becomes a clarion call of the people who practice ambivalence and silence of lamb. 911 terror was conducted under this fatwa please:

//www.pbs.org/newshou r/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

(Osama bin Laden wrote what is referred to as a fatwā in August 1996, and was one of several signatories of another and shorter fatwa in February 1998. Both documents appeared initially in the Arabic-language London newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi. At the time, bin Laden was not a wanted man in any country except his native Saudi Arabia, and was not yet known as the leader of the international terrorist organisation al-Qaeda. Therefore, these fatwās, or fatawa, received relatively little attention until after the August 1998 United States embassy bombings, for which bin Laden was indicted. The indictment mentions the first fatwā, and claims that Khalid al-Fawwaz, of bin Laden's Advice and Reformation Committee in London, participated in its communication to the press.

The 1998 fatwā reached al-Quds al-Arabi by fax, and was signed by five people, four of whom represented (or were said by the newspaper to represent) specific Islamist groups:
• Osama bin Laden
• Ayman al-Zawahiri, "emir of the Jihad Group in Egypt", probably meaning Islamic Jihad, now known as Islamic Jihad
• Ahmed Refai Taha, alias Abu Yasser, of al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (in Egypt). This endorsement was retracted because of the enormous unpopularity of terrorism in Egypt following the Luxor massacre of tourists and Egyptians by al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya. Taha explained his signature to fellow members of the Islamic Group saying he had only been asked over the telephone to join in a statement of support for the Iraqi people.
• Mir Hamzah, "secretary of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan", or so he claimed
• Fazul Rahman, "emir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh", probably Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami/Bangladesh or HUJI-B; HUJI itself is in Pakistan.

The signatories as a group were identified as the "World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders". This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere. It appeared in February 1998 and the embassy bombings followed in August.)

911- When you plant cactus don't expect roses or lilies..

It was and shall remain essentially "Ashura" of political Islam, the foibles o f terrorism have crippled reason, tolerance and logic in the mainstream body of Islam. Where do we go from here? What needs to be done?

Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:56 AM EDT

What goes around comes around; the albatross of intra killing amongst nation of Islam just about 'our' necks has been weaved by our lamb like silence.

I wish, I had magic wand and I could have answered this very pertinent question.. As far Where do we go now? Only one route condemn these acts of terror at the top of your voice, do not allow them to be part of the main stream religion, excommunicate the extremes from mainstream Islam, a global fatwa from Najaf, Qom, Al- Azhar to Deoband that anyone who take a life of innocent irrespective of their faith takes the life of the whole world, this is the road forward not duality and two faced approach where we say' no' but it is not a no.

Islamic world has been planting and promoting cactus and expecting lilies or lotus to grow, law of nature is clear we reap what we sow unfortunately. Generations can only be transformed by contemporary learning and that learning is strictly prohibited in the most of these lands that produce thousands of these disgruntled terminators.

The vampires that the 'political extremist Islam' encouraged have now come around in a full circle to devour their own kin's. Political religious based agenda where old wounds dating thousands of years are to be settled in today's modern world is the major cause largely behind these suicide bombings.

The 'political Islam' voyage to enforce its writ through elimination of its own people cannot be overcome by anything else but clear cut condemnation of worthless indiscriminate killings in the name of Allah. No moral equivalence it is not the 'war of Palestine or freedom of Iraq' it is about the control of extremist Islam over moderate though ineffective governments of the crescent of Islam.

That is where the problem lies not many will come in open and condemn with free mind the ugly side of this heinous message of hate. Even the most moderate of the elements like to discover the cause of the present higher number of suicide bombings, a bombing by Al-Qaida or Taliban that kills scores of innocents is sometimes credited to foreign hands. The ambivalence and duplicity of the' Islamic word' at large has allowed this malignancy to grow out of control. A suicide bombing is as bad for a Muslim as it is for a Jew or a Hindu.

The siege of Bombay made a new high in criminality of actions as did the siege of Lahore recently. The two actions equally reprehensible and condemnable. Baghdad has been arbitrarily and mercilessly bombed by few suicide car bombs; suicide killings are fashionable amongst the perpetrators of ideologically infested political battles.
Will these' ideological thug hoards from the steppes' overcome the resolve of those so far' billion silent neutral majority' who are not yet fully aware of the dangers of this message of disgust that pursues them? The only way out is a million man march on the streets from Tehran, Cairo to Karachi condemning this ugly face of hatred perpetrated in the name of deity and God.

This was my main line of argument even in 2002: What goes around comes around the albatross around our necks was weaved by our silence:

Millions of young men are watching and learning this dreadful art of carnage and the world, as a whole, is a loser. These new techniques of suicide bombing will not see the end in Palestine; like plane hijacks gained momentum this will spill out of the borders of the region, maybe we will have to go through the same kind of thorough checks as we go through for planes even for small bus journeys. The world is being made a smaller and a more closed place. Free movement is the strength of global interaction and we are being robbed of that systematically.''

Yes, but...

Who here is Husayn? And who Yazid? 

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As sad as the event was and witnessed by billions in OUR life time which is undeniable.

The American "Ashura" will be the food for thaughts for many years to come.

Maziar

911 Joke

What's the difference between 9/11 and a cow? You can't milk a cow for 10 years!