I was reading the News Headlines on Iranian.com today and I noticed two news articles, dated the same day:
1- sex with six a 'personal and minor' affair
Iran plays down sex scandal (Times 21-Apr-2008)
2- prison and lashes for peaceful protest
شش ماه زندان و ده ضربه شلاق برای فعال جنبش زنان (Radio Zamaneh 21-Apr-2008)
I find it truly shameful that in Iran a woman who is arrested for a peaceful protest, gets convicted and beaten up, and a thug like Zarei can intimidate, harrass and brutalize women for years and when caught doing more than some poor souls have been executed for, his case gets downplayed.
Do these people really believe in God and the judgment day?
Please allow me to add, this was not the first time I ever saw such hypocrisy and injustice, I do not live under a rock and I am well aware of much worse criminal acts that have been committed.
Some oppositions have talked about a reform of the system instead of a
complete change of the government, I have to admit, I found them making a much more reasonable case that sounded peaceful and less chaotic... Now I can't help but wonder how long will it take for such a system to be reformed to a decent civilized and
democratic government?
IRANdokht
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This is a big problem also
by Anonymousmm (not verified) on Tue Apr 22, 2008 09:12 AM PDTThis is a big problem also in Iran. Most of these child brides occupy much of the women's prisons in the Islamic Republic of Iran since Khomeini legalized pedophilia in Iran.
As these women get older, they end up killing their much much older husbands and find themselves on the death row because they are too poor to buy their freedom by paying the "blood money" (Islamic law) to the family of the husband.
//fleetingperusal.blogspot.com/2006/11/womens...
The ghesas system of law is reactionary and only for the wealthy and the rich, which is highly immoral and unethical though, it is a religious law. Not all religious laws are moral or ethical as we all have found out.
Weak souls can be found in
by LostIdentity (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:39 PM PDTWeak souls can be found in any walk of life, religion and social class. They do not belong to a particular mindset. Let's try not to fall in the same trap...I mean all of us...Oh God help us.
Did you know how resentful we would be if we knew all the crimes that mankind commits? It's hard to be God. I'm baffled how mercifull God is!!!!!!!!!!
Did you know that...
by Majid on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:24 PM PDTDid you know that smoking will eliminate one hundred (100) discomforts, deseases, ailments etc...
The first one is......... smoker !! and the rest is history.
When this cancerous tumor leaves us alone lots and LOTS of problems will follow.
Sooner than later
by Kamangir on Mon Apr 21, 2008 08:12 PM PDTThe problem is not only the IRI. The IRI is the 'result' of a social cancer that has been present in Iran for a very long time. This cancer was not active and for some time it was ignored. But the 1979 events activated it and now you see it infecting all vital organs of Iran. Once the IRI is removed or gonne this cancer will remail, again in its silent mode, much weaker and smaller than before.
The IRI is not reformable and we all know it. It will collapse under its own weight.
No execution whatsoever but...
by aaj sr (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 05:29 PM PDT1-Akram is not innocent, she killed her husband, but Akram's situation is the fruit of socio-economy system of IRI and 30 years of oppression.
2-Gathering Diyeh is an unjust retribution and this habit of money collecting is becoming a "fashionable" habit while lots of poor convicts suffering lengthly, unjustifiable terms in jails.
3-In Diyeh system, the rich can get away fast and poor will be hanged.
4-The justic system, including "Ghesas" must be revised entirley.
5-Auctioning a dress for a cause is great but it should not consitute a propaganda for the soap artist and I hope some one buy it for $200.00 for the sake of Akram.
This regime doesn't understand the concept (REFORM)
by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 05:20 PM PDTThe pillars of this constitution are based on Shia clergy. Reform doesn't and can't exist within that frame. Harassments have been around since the birth of this revolution. Regime change is the only answer.
A Much Better Proposal
by Naazokbin (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 04:52 PM PDTWhen there is a change all the current mosques should be turned into schools. Those who want to practice their religions can do so in their homes or build their mosques, temples or synagogues with private donations. Also NO tax breaks for any religions!
Good news: people do care
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 21, 2008 04:23 PM PDTI spent some time reading Kamangir's blog and the story of Akram. Thank you for the information fbc
The Iranian soap opera (General Hospital)
actress Nazanin Boniadi, recently seen on Iron Man, has put her dress that she wore on the red carpet at the Emmy Awards 2007 up for auction
on eBay. The item is for sale on eBay and all the proceeds will be used to pay off the "blood money" (Sharia law) to save Akram Mahdavi from imminent execution by the criminal mullahs in Iran. //kamangir.net/
More info
More power to the good people who find a way to help out. What a nice gesture
IRANdokht
Dear Jamshid
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 21, 2008 04:10 PM PDTMay I also add removing the Vali-e-Faghih from the top of the government and placing him in charge of the religious schools like feyzieh ghom, instead?
As long as a nation is in need of a vali and ghayyem, they won't be allowed to think for themselves and will be treated as minors.
Thank you for your input
IRANdokht
I'm so glad you've
by fbc (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 03:28 PM PDTI'm so glad you've highlighted this hypocrisy. The hypocrisies of the official of the Islamic Republics are vast and deep and you could fill a whole galaxy with all of their double standards for Khodi and Nakhodis...The mullahs profess beliefs and virtues that they don't hold and possess themselves...
Off topic:
The Iranian soap opera (General Hospital) actress Nazanin Boniadi, recently seen on Iron Man, has put her dress that she wore on the red carpet at the Emmy Awards 2007 up for auction on eBay. The item is for sale on eBay and all the proceeds will be used to pay off the "blood money" (Sharia law) to save Akram Mahdavi from imminent execution by the criminal mullahs in Iran. //kamangir.net/
More info
Irandokht
by jamshid on Mon Apr 21, 2008 03:23 PM PDT"Some oppositions have talked about a reform of the system instead of a complete change of the government..."
Do not let the word "reformist" fool you. There are two types and only two types of reformsits:
1. Those who are using the word "reforms" to deceive in order to actually keep the status quo. They advertise a "slow but sure" change. However, as we can see with the last entessabaat (I don't call it entekhabaat for obvious reasons), there isn't either a slow nor sure change after 30 years. In many areas, things have even reversed, specially in the political arena.
Sure, sometimes, in strategically caluculated times, they throw a bone to the people to make them hopeful. It's the pressure valve thing. It relieves some of the pressure, but then they go back to the same.
2. Those who are true reformists. How can we distinguish between the deceiving reformists (who frequent this site a lot) and the truthful ones? It is not too difficult to answer this question. A true reformist believes in:
a. reform of the constitution,
b. the desolving of the unelected "shooraye negahban",
c. the desolving of the many "bonyaads" and the return of their finances to civilian control.
d. demand the above to take place NOW! Not 50 years from now.
This would be a true reformist. Close your eyes and imagine all of the above had already happened. Wouldn't you say that the IRI had then truely "reformed"?
Lawlessness In The Land Of The Outlaws
by Naazokbin (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 03:05 PM PDTIn the lawless Iran of today run by a bunch of outlaws the punishments would hardly ever suit the crimes?
Expect more of this kind of injustice as longh as the robed beasts of IRI rule over seventy million hapless Iranians!
Actually
by Majid on Mon Apr 21, 2008 02:01 PM PDT"Khal'e lebaas" IS a big punishment for clergies, since regular clothing's pockets are not as deep as "ABAA's", the latter's pockets have almost no bottom! and I think we know it well after 28 years!
Dear Majid
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 21, 2008 01:24 PM PDTYou're right, they have their own court because our mortal rules don't apply to them! I guess making them wear clothes with buttons, zippers and belts count as punishment enough!
Thanks
IRANdokht
Injustice
by Majid on Mon Apr 21, 2008 01:15 PM PDTThis is not the first time, nor it would be the last.
Few months ( MONTHS ) ! after revolution, couple of clrgies were cought having sex with young "basijis" in the so called "commitee",
They were refered to specialty court for clerigis (Daadgaah-e vijeh-ye rowhaniat" and ALL they got was "khal'e lebaas"!
There you have it , justice served! IRI style.
Dear Ali P.
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:32 PM PDTI thought your question was about this part of what I wrote:
...Zarei can intimidate, harrass and brutalize women for years and when
caught doing more than some poor souls have been executed for, his case
gets downplayed.
I didn't say he was arrested for brutalizing women. I also did not say that those women were the ones that fell his victim.
I was speaking of his role in harrassing, arresting and imprisoning people for less "immoral" acts than he has done himself.
Thanks
IRANdokht
No Baba
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:26 PM PDTHe was charged for an "undignified act". They have to define the defintion of the word "undignified". They are currently reading Ken Starr's Report to study what Bill Clinton used to get out of impeachment.
To: Friends
by Ali P. on Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:16 PM PDTThanks for everyone's respond to my question.
What we call intimidating, or harrassing, in the eyes of IRI certainly, was him, doing his job. He stayed on his job when he was performing those duties.
Now that he has been arrested, it is not because of all those harrassments againt bee-hejaab women; it was for being caught with women of questionable character.
My question was, has he been charged with intimidating, harrassing, and brutalizing those infamous six women.
Ali P.
Dear Abarmard
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:51 AM PDTGreat observation. I hope our country and its people start down that path of freedom soon...
I appreciate your sound input (again)
:0)
IRANdokht
PS: have you visited the news forum yet?
It's a shame
by Abarmard on Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:38 AM PDTNo mistake about it that Iranians with their long history for advocating democracy in Iran deserve better than IR. Iranian system is a complicated system that resembles a family. Many high ranking officials would like Iran to be presented in a more modern and mild manner, and many others want Islam in a Taliban style implemented in Iran. Neither have been successful. People are most resistant to the dramatically backward changes. The system does have many voices within that mostly have been silenced. Would they return? I would say it's only natural, knowing that the people in Iran won't give in any time soon, if not ever.
I hope that the day comes when we can enjoy Iran free of systematic religion and totalitarian regime. That has to do with us the people not only the government. Modernization is a culture not a system!
Thanks for posting these links.
Ali P.
by cyrus- (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:58 AM PDTDear Ali P.
It seems like you have not been in Iran for a long time.
I was there a few months ago. I have seen how the so called morality squad (gashte ershad) deals with women on the streets in full view of the public.
I can only tell you if I had a gun with me while seeing them treating women like that, I would not be writing this comment. Now you figure out what goes on behind closed doors of police stations there.
It IS depressing
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:50 AM PDTAnd it doesn't depend on what your definition of the word "is" IS! I go to Iran for visit and I know people don't want all the morality crap that is going on. They keep saying you can get out of whatever you want with money.
Just look at the bail amounts that the political prisoners pay to get out of prison. And they are innocent! The guilty cases have lower bail amounts.
In America there used to be a lot of quid pro quos. You scratch my back, I scratch your back. Did you see the movie Aviator? In that time lobbyst paid money to lawmakers in plain day light and included it as part of their tax returns. It wasn't until later after Anti Kickbacking laws went into effect that they started doing it in hiding. And that is America.
For Iran we have a long way to go. I think the biggest item of the 1979 revolution is the population explosion. Mullahs asked people to have more children so they'll grow up under the Islamic regime and become the Islamic generation. Now the same generation has become their biggest nightmare.
They don't know what they are really doing or what kind of outcome their decisions may have. I have always said it is not hard to criticize Mullahs, it is very easy. So to criticze them like you have suddenly discovered electricity is nothing new.
It's like that blog you know you are an Iranian ... well one other trait would be to issues fatwas or as better described bokhar-e meedeh. Like Ahamdi does. Say whatever you want, who cares what is the outcome. Someone else who doesn't need adult supervision will take care of it. Say it while you can to show you can.
Dear Anonymouse
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:12 AM PDTNow that is a depressing thought...
I still remember we would see people show each other the V for victory sign and say two months: they'll be out of here in two months...
but I think what you said makes sense.
Thank you
IRANdokht
It takes time.
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:00 AM PDTIrandokht it takes time. 20 years ago they would have killed all the prostitutes after they had done their deed.
I think the economic policies of this regime may bring it down to its knees like it did with the gasoline rationing. At $115 dollars a barrel Ahmadinejad is haggling about the price of oil!! What will happen when the price drops? One morning we may wake up and see something on the news more widespread than the gasoline riots.
However, history tells us something like a reform or even a change in Govt is not going to happen anytime soon. We should probably get ourselves used to seeing them our life time. One day after us they'll go like others before them.
Meanwhile, we should follow this story. They have said he has done something. Now they have to say or manufacture what he has done. I suspect they are going to say something like he kicked the naked women instead of covering them up first. Or he handcuffed them while they were naked, or some things to this effect.
Whetever they say people know what he has done and what kind of corruption they are living under. In a case of he said she said in Iran the "Judge" mostly goes with what he said. People on the other hand go with what she said.
Dear Ali P.
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:00 AM PDTZareie has been the morality police chief and commander!, responsible for “moral enforcement” of Shariah law, including “dress code", hejaab, etc... he has led crackdowns on women who disobeyed and he was the leader and in charge of the Fatti commandos and the Ershaad patrol harrassing the women and arresting them. He was the one leading the "araazel-Obash" crackdown too, during which a lot of innocent young men were arrested under that label.
but if by proof you mean some previous charges against him that would hold up in court as a precedent, then no, I don't think he has any records: legally he's been flying high and scott free.
Iran's police set for new crackdown on 'models'
IRANdokht
TO :Ali P
by Maryam Hojjat.ph.d (not verified) on Mon Apr 21, 2008 09:54 AM PDTReza Zarei was head of morality police. He directed all the orders to intimidate and harrass women for bad HEJAB.
He has?
by Ali P. on Mon Apr 21, 2008 09:41 AM PDTIs there any evidence, or even accusation of Zarei intimidating, harrassing and brutalizing women?
I am just curious.