Islam goes to Hell

Don't avoid the question Afghan

Instead of muddying the water just stick to the main question: how many cases can you name under the Islamic regime that a convicted assasin or kidnapper whose target was the head of state was not only pardonned but was also employed in sensitive civil positions? If you can't answer this question then name at least one case of a political activist who had woved to topple the Islamic regime and was not only pardonned but was also appointed as a cabinet minister or even a prime minister!

If you still can't answer this question do JJ a favor and don't waste his much valued disk space.

Have a sip your Gin cocktail :))

FR

Farah Rusta

Googling doesn't create perception, it will only give raw data. Remember, we are at each other's throat for a higher goal. Make sure you don't confuse yourself by cheap humor. This "LOL" business, however, is sometimes only a mask to disguise the inner anger.

Now, again, about your Royal list of a group of broken people who were subject to Mossad's interrogation and torture for a long period of time before their "propaganda value" was presented to His Majesty's "merciful court?!" as a divine gift: Shah, as we always knew, had no problem with weak and unstable people; those were kind of people with whom he surrounded himself.

He never,ever dealt with a genuine political threat without resorting to "physical elimination". That quality he was void of; be it in the case of General Bakhtiar or, Khosrow Golsorkhi. It's a long list; you might as well google it.

Afghan!

I can see you couldn't recognize any one of those names that's why you  made such a lame comment (I bet you are already Googling some of the names to find out who they are -LOOOOOL)

FR

ps - can I have sip :))

Farah Rusta

I missed your belated comment mostly because it didn't catch my eyes; same might happen to you, if someone translated your nickname; something like Happiness Of The Village or, Happiness Of Direction (depending on the pronunciation)

And now about the list. Don't you see the common denominator among these names. How far do you think you can go before totally and humiliatingly exposing yourself.

Your old-fashioned tactic of personal insult is futile too. Remember you are here for a paycheque; I am here for an ideology.

Dear Shazde

The Shah is dead too. But there is no ending to the accusations, allegations, and defamations brought against him like calling him a maniac, power mad, as well as murderer, torturer, butcher etc. The point Shazde jaan is to give credit where credit is due and to be critical where necessary. What I described in the comment below was based on my personal observations and account of the stories as told by my former friend. The fact of the matter is that while there were many other equally, if not more, important army officers who were arrested and later executed by the Islamic regime, Fardoust and Gharebaghi, were the two whose lives were spared and in the case of Fardoust he was kept, for his protection, some say under house arrest and some say in jail (towards the end of his life) until the very end. Why the likes of Nasiri, Moghadam, Pakravan, Khosrowdad, Baderhei, Neshat and many others were executed or assasinated. I know for fact a number of officers who were personally close to Fardoust and despite their sensitive positions in the security services and armed forces had their lives spared. There is an abundance of evidence on Fardoust's collaboration that cannot simply be tucked under the carpet.

And as for the Shah and the buck, true that's where it stops but in its journey to the stop point, the buck was passed from one stop to the next by the unscrupulous and corrupt people who were too quick to blame the top man for everything. We should not forget their complicity.

FR

Dear Farah: please don't repeat those nasty accusations about

General Fardoost. The man died in prison!

Did he see a day of freedom after arrest? Was he allowed to see one family member? Did anyone outside his torturers and tormentors, ever meet him again?

Yes, some generals cooperated with the new regime, willingly. Many of them were pious men. Some of them were tempted or frightened. But those were then allowed to carry on with their mostly normal lives, free and with their family and friends.

But did Fardoost see a single day of freedom after his arrest?

Some Shah-Olahi's want to blame everyone else for the revolution, except for the Shah himself. But the fact of the matter is that: Shah was the only one with real power in the last decade of his rein, and he must be fully blamed for what happened.

Shah became arrogant, demented and maniac with power, and ruined Iran. Yes, he was the C-in-C and should be made fully responsible. The buck stops there, with the C-in-C and that's all!

All the rest is rumors to deflect blame from H.I.M.

Fardoust's list

Shazde's passionate defense of Fardoust (sorry Shazde I don't share your passion to use military titles and honors for the man who betrayed his C-in-C from whom he got his titles) reminded me of a one time friend of mine whose father's life was saved by Fardoust. Her father, was a retired army General who had retired himself from SAVAK a year before the fall of the Shah. According to this (former friend) the General retired himself on the advice of his old classmate Hossein Fardoust who had warned him of the harsh times coming and had immigrated to the US with his family. My friend whose father remained in contact with Fardoust after the change of regime, used to tell me of a list of names Fardoust had given to his new bosses. The list contained the names all the officers, former government members, members of parliament and even some junior offcials who need to be executed by the Islamic regime, in order to eliminate any risk of a counter coup. Unlike Schindler's list that saved hundreds of lives, Fardoust's list savaged hundreds of lives and the lives of their families. My friend's father whose name was not on the lsit was most grateful to Fardoust and used to address him in the same glorious titles that our friend Shazde is using (no insinuation intended Shazde). Later she returned to Iran and reclaimed the conficated property and the delayed pensions of her father - thanks to favorable references from Fardoust. 

I don't accept the excuse offered by Shazde that Fardoust was under the same pressure that the current protest leaders are. Thank God we have had shining examples of bravery and loyalty as demonstrated by the likes of Generals Rahimi, Jahanbani and Mahdiyoon - some of the victim's of the Fardoust's list. Fardoust's treachery aveneged the inferiority complexes piled up by the son of a former court lacky who, despite all the privilegs he had received from his father's boss, had envied his boyhood friend, the Shah, all along. 

FR

Shazde Asdola Mirza

In his 2 volume book General Fardust states that he earned his first Rial in Iran and that all his earning were in Iranian Rials.

He also stated that he had the opportunity to go and live in exile in Beverly Hills but he refused to do it.

No one said General Fardust was a traitor.

In his book he says his expertise was in monitoring communist activity in Iran.

He served his nation as a patriot and died.

General Fardust and General Abbas Gharabaghi were two Iranian Generals that remained loyal to Iran until the day they died.

Scream!

Do these names ring any bell? 

Parviz Nik-khah, Mahmoud Jafarian, Taifoor Bathaee, Abbas Samakar, Maryam Ettehaadieh, and at other levels, Baaheri, Majidi, Alikhani, etc., etc.

FR

Vildemose dear: Colonel Zibai's house was like a fortified

garrison. During the 1979 armed uprising, marking the victory of revolution, that house was taken by the armed guerrilla of Fadaiyan.

Fadaiyan turned that safe-house into their head quarters, for about 6 months, when it was forcefully taken from them, by the IRI Pasdaran.

What happened to that

What happened to that house? Did they make it into a museum??

American Dream: let's not throw mud at the dead who can't

defend themselves.

Timsar Arteshbod Fardoost, was a childhood friend of the late Shah of Iran, and a very close aid to him. His alleged cooperation with the IRI can be easily explained the same way that you see everyone going to Evin, fully cooperates with these Demonic Evil Torturers.

Even your Wiki source says: "... it was rumoured Fardoust had "defected to the other side ..." ; " ... the book claims most Iranian politicians belonged to the Freemasons and that the Jews, controlled not only Israel but also the United States ..." ; "... Mohammad Mossadeg was not a mortal enemy of the British, but had always favored them, and his campaign to nationalize the British AIOC had been inspired by the British themselves."

Please see how venomous all those allegations are, which are the fabrication of IRI torturers and murderers. Timsar Fardoost was victim of the IRI demons, lets not victimize him again here. Yes, he lived by the sword and died by the sword, but he was not a traitor monster.

Jahanshah Rashidian

The Most famous SAVAK man to join the SAVAMA was Hossein Fardust, the Shah's childhood friend.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Fardoust

RE: Islam goes to hell

You hate the mollahs, but you repeat their lies. You are still under mollah's propaganda domination, yet you claim to be against them.

And this after 30 years of time. 

And those mollahs are laughing at you.

Ask yourself why members of jebheye melli never said those lies. Ask yourself who were the ones who advertised and insisted on these and other falsehoods.. Then think a bit.

I think that you are talking about Colonel Zibai's safe-house

If that was the multi-story safe-house on a side street, off AryaMehr (now Fatemi) avenue.

Acid bath?

come on, I hate IRI and I am no fan of Savak or present savama, but you are exajurating things beyond proportion. I have never heard of such thing in thirty years. if there was such a thing, islamists would have milked it for ever and we will never hear the end of it.

Farah Rusta

Can you shed some light on His Majesty's habit of forgetting and forgiving?

Islam did not hijack the revolution

This was only one of the many errors in the story you told us. But you are not the only one who repeats this mistake. This was a myth that was created by the leftists of different shades (Tudehi, Fedaeeyan, Peykar, etc.) and later promoted by the former allies of the mullahs, meaning Jebhe Melli. This myth was created as an excuse for their huge error in understanding the uderlying culture and belief of the man on the street or even the worker in the factory.The left movement in Iran could not have been more detached from the culture, faith and history of the country in which they were  living. And they paid the heaviest of prices for their error. 

Talking about the heavy price, including torture, jail and death, your recollection of your visit to the house of Colonel Tehrani (during  bahar azadi !!) is a very telling story. While there is no denying of the practise of torture as a means of extracting information from the political prisoners, the stories were at times hugely exaggerated by the survivors, mainly from the left, to justify their revenge exacted on the system (acid bath and nail pulling were among such stories - read the admissions of Gholam Hossein Saedi while in exile in Paris). The governments that the left movement were idolizing as their role models, e.g. the Soviet bloc countries, Cuba and Marxist regimes here and there were no less innocent in their practise of torture than the regimes supported by the West and America. Hanoi Hilton of the People's Republic of North Vietnam was an example.

In the case of Iran, the overnight change of shift between the governors of the notorious Evin prison and its apparatus of pain and torture shows clearly that it makes no difference who the man at the top is - the operators of these chamvers, who by the way were and are Iranians, keep this shameful practise alive and "kicking." The only difference is that the former man at the top, the Shah, was ready to forgive and foget but the present top men, are going to forfe ahead to the very end.  

FR

Only salvation is removal of Islam

From the complex equation of the Iranian life

Savama

Short after the revolution Ebrahim Yazdi, one of the main architects of IRI repressive organs, baptised Savak into Savama. Apart from Tehrani, Nasiri, and a few known torturers, the rest of Savak personel were recruited and reorganised in Savama. Repression took a far-fetched belieivable and unprecedented horrible dimension. Thanks for your contribution.