How Useful Are Iranian Know-It-Alls And Their Advice? Part 9

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How Useful Are Iranian Know-It-Alls And Their Advice? Part 9
by JahanKhalili
09-Dec-2011
 

Above is a picture of an American woman who visited Ayatollah Khomeini at his house. She did it all on her own, barely speaking any Farsi and without any connections, credential or help from anyone. She just went there after getting the idea to do it. I'll tell you more about it later in the blog.

We've already established that Iranians suck at geographical exploration, scientific study or cataloguing of their own flora and fauna, their own archeology and even their own history.

Iranians were foaming at the mouth when I told them that their Cyrus cylinder bullshit about being a human rights charter was a fraud. But they should have known better.

What are they, retarded?

All they had to do was look up the translation, instead of believing rumors. Iranians didn't know sh-t about Cyrus the Great's cylinder - or himself.

Do Iranians know anything about Ayatollah Khomeini? You would imagine that they should. I heard all kinds of nonsense about him from them. One claim was that he was Indian. It appears that he did in fact come from the Kashmir.

However, I later asked a friend from India who came from the Moussavi family, about the history of that family in India. According to him, they had originally immigrated to India from Iran, and this is a quite well-known fact in India. It doesn't take a genius to see that Ayatollah Khomeini - with his fair complexion - was probably not originally of Indian descent.

The Shiah movement spread from Iran to India, not the other way around. That means that Iran was a source of theologians for India's Shi'ites.

You don't have to be a genius to dig. But Iranians aren't interested in finding just anything.

They are only interested in information if its "useful". So they don't dig. Instead, they either arm themselves with information from others, or make it up themselves. But if Iranians need to delegitimize someone, they'll find a way to do it, and facts don't matter. All that matters is the end result.

The older Iranians living here in America are bellyaching about Ayatollah Khomeini. If you say the word "Khomeini", their facial expression changes, and starts looking like they're taking a hardened sh-t on a cold pot. Whenever they talk about him, its always the same stuff: how many people he killed, how evil he was, how he ruined Iran, etc. ....

This stuff is quite useless for a historian. No one can be either elevated to a god-to-be-worshipped, nor can they be lowered to be the most despised symbol of evil in the world. Human beings are in reality very complex, and their complexities cannot be grasped by mobs who are using them to make political statements.

Various ridiculous stories that would make a hardened psychiatrist go mad, are circulated about Khomeini. One version was the usual story about him being a CIA or British agent. One of the more colorful versions - told by an all knowing Iranian idiot at a dinner party - included a tunnel specially constructed for Khomeini, that ran from Jamaran to the UK.

I have given up telling Americans about the insane things Iranians believe, because it makes me look like an idiot for no reason, and they themselves can't quite grasp that such degrees of stupidity are even possible.

Then there's the well-known Tahrirolvasyleh hoax, that claims that Ayatollah Khomeini wrote in an obscure book (which no one can seem to produce) containing passages that condone pedophilia and bestiality. As "proof", they'll show you some files on the internet that aren't photostatic.

Or they'll claim that some bookstore has it, but they don't feel like wasting money to buy it. No where is it posted on the internet, as scanned photos. I suspect that if it ever is, that it will not be available for authentication by any expert. Someone showed me the book in Arabic on a website, but couldn't show me the relevant passages, so I could check on them.

As it is, no expert seems prepared to back up the claim, despite the fact that there are such experts who could do it if it was legitimate.

No one seems to have produced an actual example of the book complete with the incriminating passages printed in Iran or Iraq from a time where it would have been legally valid. If you express amazement at this idea, or any of the others, the Khomeini-haters either act like you're a simple minded person who cannot grasp such cerebral mysteries, or they get offended and suspect you of being in league with their enemies.

On the other side of the political aisle are the Iranians who fairly worship Ayatollah Khomeini.

He's infallible, according to them. He is almost like the sun. In their version of events, Iran was at its darkest time, when suddenly from the sky on an airplane came Ayatollah Khomeini and brightened everything up with his frowning face. Then came his followers, who were very dear people. You can't say anything even remotely critical about Khomeini in front of them, or they'll hate you. Maybe these assholes think that genuine goodwill comes from coercion.

But I don't give a sh-t what THEY think. They can kiss my American ass.

Out of their goodness, they harshly judged everyone who was not suitably religious or revolutionary just like them, and some of them were deprived of their livelihoods, sacked or even executed.... ....and Iranians lived happily ever after. If you even point out inconsistencies or problems with their version of him, they'll get angry and accuse you of being in league with their enemies.

Then, as the story goes, he made everyone happy and godlike. Iranians became a holy people, good and pure....

... and that, despite the fact that there were so many bootlegged Betamax pornography videos in Iran (some of them found in religious households) that it was probably easier to obtain them there than in the West.

... that, despite the fact that (aside from those good and truly sincere religious people we all knew) no one can stand some of the worst specimens among his followers - the superior acting holy people, full of takabor and having no consideration for anyone but people who thought exactly like them. They acted so superior. They were so self-serving and arrogant; judgmental, cruel and unforgiving.

They thought they were prophets, but they were really just a bunch of dicks. If I were to imagine that this is what Khomeini was like, I'd end up having a very low opinion of the man. But one thing I learned from living in Iran is to completely distrust public opinion.

I never actually learned anything particularly interesting about Ayatollah Khomeini from either side. That's because people who already have their minds made up about something aren't going to discover anything about it.

As usual, if you want to learn anything about Iran, its necessary to step back from the insane Iranians and go find out about it yourself.

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I am not an expert on Ayatollah Khomeini, and have read in its entirely only one of his speeches. I really don't know anything about him. One thing I know, however, is that I will not get the whole truth about the man himself from any side of Iranian politics.

Iranian know-it-alls aren't the people I'd consult, if I wanted to really find out things about the man that the public doesn't know much about.

That, as usual, requires individual effort and research.

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For someone who thought his country and people were so cool special, my father had the peculiar fear of my mother going shopping and getting ripped off by his gracious people.

He knew that as soon as they saw an American woman, they'd rip her off.

My mother was indeed somewhat helpless in Iran. He would talk about how great and holy Iran was, but it seemed that he didn't actually believe any of it - judging from his own actions.

It wasn't my mother's scene. She called it a "crazy place".

But one thing my mother didn't have was Khomeini-itis.

She couldn't have caught it from the Iranians, because she barely spoke any Farsi.

She didn't learn to repeat the ridiculous stories made against him made by some, or the silly worshipful gushing excesses that others engaged in. She saw things from her own point of view, and felt no obligation to echo the points of view around her.

One of the things she did was quite remarkable.

To this day, anyone who meets her will never suspect that they are meeting someone who did something like what she did.

Yet my mother did something in Iran that most Iranians didn't even do.

She visited Ayatollah Khomeini, in his own house.

That she did this without speaking much Farsi, and without connections, should tell you something.

Westerners might be naive. They might be blundering and not versed in the niceties of Iranian culture or Islam. They might step on people's toes and make fools of themselves when they're outside of their own environment.

They might screw up some Iranian job interview, interrogation, or application for traveling to Iran.

Iranians who are devoted to tripping up Westerners who are in Iran and who aren't familiar with them and their stupid ways, will always find ways to do it.

I know that Iranians worship their way of doing things.

Its one of the few things they do very well.

Westerners might get suckered and overcharged when buying something at a store in Iran, by greedy Iranians.

BUT they occasionally have succeeded in doing things there that Iranians didn't succeed in doing - and that is indeed one of the main ideas behind these blogs.

My mother went to Jamaran, and visited Ayatollah Khomeini in his home. She took one of my sisters with her. To this day, I don't know how she did it. But I remember when she got home, there were two female Islamic Revolutionary Guards with her.

She invited them in as if they were friends she had made while visiting Ayatollah Khomeini. They were both silent. Then they stepped in and looked around briefly.

My mother seemed oblivious to the fact that they had come home with her to investigate her and to find out who she was. In her naiveness, she assumed that they were simply women who had hit it up with her and were curious and were dropping by for a cup of tea.

I quickly offered them tea, and turned on the Iranian hospitality. They stood there looking at us and talking to each other.

I had a little kitten. I brought it out and showed it to them. It was still only a few weeks old, and drank milk out of a bottle. It was so cute that it broke the ice and the women started smiling and cooing over the kitten. I spoke with the women.

After a while, they passed up the invitation to stay longer and left.

When they had left, I asked my mother how it went. Did you get to speak to him? No, unfortunately, she didn't. He did all the talking - and she hadn't understood a word of it.

My father never seemed to know anything about the visit. I never heard him comment on it. Its incredible that he, in his supposedly infinite wisdom and knowledge, knew nothing about my mother's greatest triumph while living in Iran.

Neither did any other Iranian know about it.

Neither do any of the Americans that my mother associates with, know or care that she did this.

Yet my mother achieved something that none of these people ever did. ... and I respect her for it.

She has no fame or recognition for it. So what? Having done the thing is its own reward.

Consult with an Iranian know-it-all, or bow to the masses... and kiss your ability to do these things goodbye.

The result-driven Iranians I knew would never have done such a thing. They all already had their minds made up. There was no curiosity in them to go and have a look at something just for the sake of doing so.

An American woman who barely spoke Farsi went and visited their leader, while they sat around and either made up flattering BS about him or made up insulting BS about him.

Needless to say, many Iranians fail at even knowing anything about one of their own historic figures who lived not-that-long ago.

Americans DO things.

While Iranians sit on their asses and talk - people like my mother do things without consulting anyone.

Americans might be naive. They might be like fish out of water in Iran. But they occasionally try things blabber-mouth Iranian know-it-alls would never try.

And they occasionally succeed.

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Hahahaha!

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Why don't you sand monkeys just go and make an effigy of me and burn it?

That's what you're good at.

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A: All YOU NEED is a bucket of water and soup to have your mouth

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washed for all the feces that  keeps coming out of it. I haven't washed anyone mouth with soap for a while, but in your 'special milk' case, I'll make an exception. 

B: At the moment the MOST PRIMITIVE IDIOT in here  is you with your incoherent gibbersih.

C: If you're not an Iranian, WTF are you doing in here 24/7 with that moronic avatar, insulting every one else and making an a.. out of your self. Do you enjoy being told by others that you're incoherent, moronic and idiotic? Only because they give you free rope ( in this case freedom to post in here) doesn't mean you have to hang yourself! I've seen and heard five years old babies that make more sense than you. WTF is your problem child?


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What's a big deal about

by vildemose on

What's a big deal about visiting Khomeini??? Visiting Khomeini in person for the sake of seeing his ugly face has no significance in the larger scheme of things unless you and you mother were Khomeini's  groupies like he was jock or a muscian...please get some help..You are embarrassing yourself and reducing credibility of some of your valid points about Iranians.

 I really think HT is right, you're either on hallaucinogenic medication or bipolr , or borderline schzoid.. Khoda shafat bedeh.

 

A state of war only serves
as an excuse for domestic tyranny.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Born December 11, 1918


JahanKhalili

All you guys need is a fire

by JahanKhalili on

... for you all to dance around, and chant your primitive bullsh-t.

  Keep doing that.   I'll be busy doing things you'll never dream of doing. 

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Iranians are primitive

by JahanKhalili on

They're like a bunch of god damned gypsies.

They react to things in groups, and spread rumors.

That's primitive, tribal behavior.

Spreading BS about people without bothering to really go and even hear what they have to say, or to see them is pretty dumb, isn't it? 


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Iranians didn't produce me

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Quit being so insulting.


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When Iranians have 'produced' people like you, who needs Galileo

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

There is not a phocking thing in the world that you don't know about and can't write a few assenine lines for, with 'genuises' like you who needs anything else.

P.S. Who put Galilieo on trial, intending to burn him at the stake, Italians or Iranians? Why do you have to be so obtuse all the time?


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JK, calling you a moron would be an insult to morons

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

your level of incoherence defies imagination.

In one post you mention Khoeminie as if he was just another ordinary guy who you happened to go and listen to his wrods. Unlike you other people don't think and write gibberish 24/7.

Khomeini the MF, SOB he was needs to be treated very special every time his evile MF SOB name is mentioned.

So I ask you again: when you went to listen to his 'speech' did he mention anything about his special orders regrding girl prisoners?

As far as primitive, you and your entire Jad o Abad remain in that sphere, if you writing, picture and stream of 'thought' is any indication.

P.S. What do you think of my prognosis of your state of mind? "Special Mik" is correct, right? 


JahanKhalili

Iranians will never produce a Galileo

by JahanKhalili on

Such a person would be destroyed by other Iranians.

You exist as a mob, and are unable to think as individuals. 


JahanKhalili

Hey Hooshang

by JahanKhalili on

You're an Iranian. So of course you think the truth has to do with how many people believe something.

That's why you repeat the sacred BS rumors of your primitive people (such as there having been an order to rape virgin prisoners). 

Its a good thing that the world isn't composed entirely of Iranians, or we would never have discovered through individualsts whom everyone was against that for example the earth isn't flat. 


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...

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JK, see I'm not the only one who thinks you're out of it.

Personally  up to now I thought you had a case of pre-mature senility, but with this latest posting you could also qualify for border line schizophrenia.

However I my 'expert' opinion I still think you're a case and product of 'Special Milk!'

P.S. When you went and 'heard' the man himself, did he talk about his order to have all the female virgin political prisoners raped before they were executed?


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That's why you Iranians failed to do things like visit Khomeini

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See?

You're so busy trying to manufacture the truth, and patting each other on the back that you never get around to checking to see what's out there.

That suits me just fine, because I'll get to do what I want while you're all busy. 


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hamsade ghadimi


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Go away, Amirsaghir

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Go watch your favorite TV show, so you can better compare things in the real world to it, and gain "understanding".


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Also

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you said; 

I know for one that YOU didn't If you didn't even know where the guy lived...

You make your assumptions on your own observations. This indicates how shallow your thoughts are.


amirkabear4u

you see Baldrick

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you said;

They just searched everyone very thoroughly, before letting them enter.

He believed GOD was looking after him, why then should anyone be searched? You saw his double !!


JahanKhalili

It wasn't that hard to see him

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It seemed that anyone could do it. There were no background checks.

They just searched everyone very thoroughly, before letting them enter.


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I know for one that YOU didn't

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If you didn't even know where the guy lived...


amirkabear4u

Baldrick

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HOW DO YOU KNOW NO ONE TRIED TO GO AND SEE HIM??????????? What is you evidence showing this?????

Also he preferred to live in Khomain town because that is how he was. You said you saw him, you saw someone who looked like him. Why should he want  to see you?

Yes a lot of his followers could not manage to see him BUT what made you so special that you did?


JahanKhalili

Khomeini lived in Jamaran the whole time

by JahanKhalili on

What are you talking about?

I went and saw him, too. 

Not one of the know-it-alls who talked BS about him, ever tried to actually go and see the man and hear him for themselves. 


amirkabear4u

I am sorry to break it to you Baldrick

by amirkabear4u on

and hate to disappoint you because she did not meet him but his double. Khomaini only lived for a short while in Jamaran before moving to Khomain town. Secondly he knew enough to let his visitors to speak too.

HOWEVER there are some issues here. Since you are bragging about how useful americans are why did your mother go to see him if she could not speak Farsi??????? Can you answer this?? Americans do everyhting half cooked.

You also made another, but usual, fundamental mistake. How do you know no Iranians tried to see him????????? YOU SEE YOUR JUDGEMENT IS LIKE OTHER IRANIANS KNOW IT ALL !!!!!!!!!

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE COMPLAINING.


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More on the way

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Just wait till you read the other blogs I'll post.

You'll all be slapping yourselves on the forehead at the stupidity of Iranian know-it-alls, who can't even orchestrate anything in their OWN country. 


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1982 or 1983

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That was when my mother sidestepped all those big mouth Iranian know-it-alls, and visited their leader.


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a question

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Before I make a few comments I have a question. How many years after the revolution this visit took place??