Jahanshah Javid

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My people are Gay.

I have a number of gay people in my family, some out (live in Europe) some not out (live in Iran) and I know what it is all about and how it feels.

Complex emotions and needing to be loved and appriciated, like the rest of us.

It is all about humans making other humans feel human.

JJ gay??!!

Jerry Seinfeld would say:"Not that there is anything wrong with it..." And I think this statement, with unspoken undertones, summerizes perfectly our "modernized" cultural approach of the subject.

"Expert idiots"

Are you sure you don't mean the USA? Expert idiocy is a way of life in the cultural banality that is America.What other country in the world do you have that thinks socialized medicine is one step away from communist dictatorship or where a Vice President (Dan Quayle) bemoans his lack of Latin in a speech made in a Central American country or where a former (p)Resident (voted for twice) has less IQ than Tweedle Dumb!

Compared to Americans, Iranians are enlightened beings of pure Wisdom!

This is America:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvs2g5Nj0NI

Meaning is languaged! 

Iran is full of "expert" idiots. IRI just example in power 4 now

Everything is sacred.

Monda

Umm, you don't think (post-)modernity is doing the exact same thing? The whole notion of identity and gender/sexual politics that the Anglo-European Left birthed conceptually together with PC-ness (which most Anglo-European Liberals now take as axiomatic and as unchallengable dogma) is exactly the same thing in its own context.

Just because you guys are ambivalent about your own Traditional cultural roots, worldviews and templates you try to shift onuses and blame on to your proximate Other. But the effect is exactly the same. You are doing in your own contexts what you accuse Traditional Muslims of doing, i.e. pigeonholing, stereotyping while passing unnuanced, unqualified judgements that are largely based on your own biases and not the bigger, complex picture of things.

IRI are idiots so their opinion counts for '0'

Meaning is languaged!

anonymous111.2, lets dig away!

I enjoyed reading your wisdom here.  You are spot-on my friend.

Souri jan, how about you organizing one in Montreal? :o)

And I wish you could be here for the show on March 12th.  I'll be thinking of you that night.  I have a feeling you may see the clips of the event on IC or Youtube at some point.

Anonymouse jan, gol gofti

It is the role and assumed right of Islam to define identities for its followers!

IRI believes womanhood is a "condition" & they're "expert" in it

Everything is sacred.

I find this discussion fasciniating

for perhaps one of the most historically inclusive and ancient cultures in the world, we should be on the forefront of civil rights for all people.  Instead, it seems as if we're stuck in a time warp when compared to some other places in the world, including the Middle East.  There are gay bars in Beirut for God's sake.  

Who cares about someone's private life?  As a true non-religious conservative, I think that government-and society by extension- should stay out of people's private lives, including their choice of a life partner.

And trust me, there are, and there have always been, plenty of long term same sex relationships in Iran.  Our culture as a whole has always chosen to bury its head in the sand when it comes to that issue.  All you have to do is dig a little deeper than usual and you will see that it's been staring you in the face the whole time.  

Thank you Monda jan

I understand it fully. Hope the show will be a big success and you will have a wonderful night.

And yes, let hope for another great occasion like this, to organize a bigger event and inviting Khordadian too.

Souri jan,

The March 12th event was originally inspired by Mehran Khaghani's performance on Youtube when JJ chose him as Iranian of The Day.  Tissa, Max and Amir (recommended by Maz Jobrani) blessed us with their gifts of acceptance of the call to laugh our hearts out, rather than shed more tears over the human rights violations in Iran and the cruel nonsense that AN randomly comes up with.

This time the venue is small, perfect for a comedy show.  The stage however cannot accommodate a dance group or even Khordadian by himself.  Hopefully there will be other such occasions in protest of AN's delusions.  Then we can have different types of entertainment.

Anonymouse

Once again, friend, your use of the word "experts" suggests that you are assuming that homosexuality is a taxonomized condition requiring specialist delineation. If I haven't understood you correctly, please explain.

Ya, everything is sacred indeed, and all meaning is languaged!

Seems to be more "experts" on homosexuality than heterosexuality

Everything is sacred.

Anonymouse

So are you saying gayness is a disease which requires qualified experts to pontificate and discuss? We need qualified gays to represent the subject correctly to us? Your very language reveals your own transparency here, friend.

JJ/Monda jan

Why not inviting Khordadian for the show?

I think he will accept the invitation if he is available on that date. Any thought on this?

I love Khordadian!

He is an excellent teacher.  Souri jan I'll watch his links tonight, for sure. 

But I see what you mean.  Growing up in Iran, een adaahaa zesht bood. Those adaahaa were adaptive defenses on the part of the gays in Iran.  But yeah people used to definitely look down upon those type behaviors in public.  Any sexually triggering behavior in public was zesht, come to think of it.  I saw my first couple kissing on the mouth in Vienna, when I was 11, thinking how come people don't kiss like that on the streets of Tehran?! :o)  And I encountered my first gay touching/ kissing on the streets of London back in 76, thinking OMG how Brave!

Princess jan, 3/12 I wish you could be here too!

Mehran Fascinates me too!  Last night I stopped myself from copy/pasting his excellent lines when I realized it's all in the way HE uses them. 

Khordadian's biography

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPUXUXicS8

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V_Ls1RxPOs

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSjzfTm5pEM

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltG09NEAOk

Khordadian

Now, I know I'm a bit "offtrack" here but I don't mind. I'm always off track and have no problem with that :)

I had never been positive toward Khordadian until the last year when I listened to him in an interview! The reason that I didn't like him was not because he was gay, I am really very indifferent toward the people sexual tendency. Who care about what people are doing in their bed? Man o sana na?

But I didn't like his exaggerated showing off his "feminine" side! I like women to be feminine and men (no matter who) to show some strength and seriousness even if they are gay! In my opinion, being gay, does not need to show so much "ada o atvar" and trying to look like a woman! A man, gay or not, is  still a man! what is going under the belly need not to be expressed in an exaggerated manner........

Having said that, I changed my mind radically about Khordadian when I've listened to his interview about the last summer's event in Iran! For the first time he explained what he has been thrue during his jailed time in Iran and how he has been treated. He seemed to me so much well articulated and intelligent and so much devoted to his country, I became ashamed of myself for having misjudged him for so long!

I thought I needed to say it now and take it out of my chest!

We all need to adjust our inherited judgment system.

DON'T TELL,DON'T ASK

amoo mehran 11.06 PST means 2.06 a.m  EST

not to argue your level of inteligence just re read your  can you say the.... And change the part to IMMORAL MINORITY in front of a mirror.

oh I forgot to mention take the sleeping pill and go to bed is past your bed time.          Maziar

So many experts & expert opinions by non-gays. A wrong picture!

Everything is sacred.

Gay or hetero, should make no difference

My best friend is gay. And the only thing that really saddened me about it was that he had taken so long to tell me. Nothing else has changed between us since. 

Btw, not only men fantasize about the same sex, women do as well. Sometimes. :o)

Mehran

Transgenderism is not homosexuality strictu sensu. At least in the context of Winyanktehca of the Lakota a two-souled shaman is an androgynous  go-between for the tribe between the spirit world and the tribal community, and that is their function -- with the sexuality merely a characteristic of the hierophantic occupation. The holy hermaphodite has a long pedigree in spiritual history in numerous cultures. Mircea Eliade has written about it. Arguably, however, if you actually read the anthropological literature, modern notions of sexual identity would not make any sense to these people whatsoever  and so is to large extent an anachronistic application -- at least in the Traditional context. You also have transgender  initiates/holy hermaphodites amongst communities in India as well. I've run into a few of them the last trip I was there.

I've asked an Aboriginal friend here who is an academic in Aboriginal studies at a local university about the yimpininni, showing them the link you posted, and they say the information in the link provided is misinformation. But they do confirm that there are tribes (or 'nations') that do have such occuring phenomenon. Yet they are rare. The predominant practice amongst the majority of Australian Aboriginal nations is heterosexuality.

Finally, not everything there is to know can be googled, bro. At least not yet. Good old fashioned libraries and books still have better, critical and wider scope information than this darn know-nothing engine. Let some of us continue to wallow in centuries prior until the present one catches up to some of the sophistication of the past ;-)

homosexuals quest for freedom and ther double talk

gays would like you to think that their version of the cosmic world is the true one.  they want to convince you that the scriptures are all fiction in the quran, bible and telmud.  they present their view of God and want you to accept it.  And if you don't, then you are wrong and not smart enough.  I guess I would rather side with human history rather than go with the latest fad on this.

Gays want to convince you that you should not equate them with pedophiles because pedophilia is a non consetual relationship and involves usually a minor who is mentally not fit to give consent.

Yet, gays want you to accept and tolerate it when they go and try to adopt a poor innocent kid.  Exactly, where is this kid consenting to be brought up in a non-conventional family setting?  Did he have any say in it?  Gays would say, it is better for the children than suffering in orphanages and in malnuritioned countries.  Hmmm, and I guess all those who lived in orphanages and malnuritioned countries turned up either dead or dysfunctional!!!

Gays want you to just let them be.  It is a personal choice.  Yet when given ground, they want to change city and state laws to allow them to get "married" till death do us part.  Robbing the insitute of marriage and a full blast attack on heterosexual institutions is what happens when gays are given ground.

Gays would like you to think they are persecuted exactly like the blacks were.  Then when given ground, then form the Cabin-Log Republican group that seeks to limit taxes and put the blacks where they belong.  Or they would do as the openly homosexual Dutch politician did and launch day and night attacks on Muslim minorities in Europe- until he was stabbed to death.

Gays feel like they are entitled to anything.  Gays as I have stated suffer from extreme bouts of not only depression but most importantly mania.  If you read on the characteristics of schizophrenic individuals, you will notice many similarities.  

Gays are their own worst enemy.  Please read up on Jeffrey Dahmer and his disturbing mental affliction and his tendency towards homosexual behaviour.  Please read up on Andrew Cunanan who killed Gianne Versace in Miami as well as others in his trip across the US. 

It is a common saying in the US that one should avoid going to prison because you might get raped.  Yes, in freedom loving America, there are more per capita prisoners than anywhere else in the world including China which has a pop. of 1 billion.  Anyway, who ends up in prison.  Usually, it is people who have issues and amongst them mental problems.  Now, what is it that makes these prisoners want to rape and sleep with other males.  There might not be a definite correlation here but the strong association is one that a person cannot ignore, notably that homosexuality is perhaps a mental derangment.  This was even supported by sociologist up to the 1970s.  What happened after that? shall we say political correctness!!!

Wish I could be there on March 12th!

Mehran, with your permission I am going to steal this, "I say catch your death.  I mean it.  I'm not wishing you ill, I just think that you'd be better off on the other side where all truths are revealed.  You need the education that only death can offer." the best line I have heard in a long time. :) 

You rock and keep up spreading the light through your intelligence. 

Your newest fan,

Princess 

Mehran jan,

I can't wait to see you in person!  You Are as brainy and articulate as your interviewers wrote. 

Many motherly hugs and kisses be rooye maahat, and huge thanks for writing here. 

P.S.  Did you get the Best Comedian yet?  I haven't had the chance to check my FB.

I am home, with a nice alcohol buzz on and eating. Let's talk.

To the unequivocal RETARD who posted something about homosexuals being put to death: Seriously.  I take umbrage with your regrettable lack of IQ points.  Somehow, it's okay to hold hands and kiss, but blowjobs and buggery are off the table.  This kind of subjective, selective, armchair behavioral pruning is 100% the stuff of mental midgets and defectives.  Are you kidding me?  Since when did you become referee to the sport of sodomy?   I say catch your death.  I mean it.  I'm not wishing you ill, I just think that you'd be better off on the other side where all truths are revealed.  You need the education that only death can offer.  Our intolerance for eachother is totally mutual.  Only I'm smarter (and no doubt cuter) by a factor of 1,000.

And to the mentally ill woman who spouted some nonsense about all homosexuals being conniving, sneaky, intolerant types.  You strike me as one of those people who compartmentalizes all people of a particular astrological sign based on one person of that astrological sign that you know personally.  You are all fable and anxiety and errant idiocy.  It is no wonder to me that you work in an office.  Every office has ten of you-- secret bigots and prejudicial types that smile at your boss, make harmless small-talk and secretly think that there are people conspiring against you- which causes you to be the source of turmoil for the decent.  Your world is painfully small.  At least I would have the integrity to frown directly at your saccharine face and 1980s Hayedeh haircut.  You should be fired and put out in the streets until you are humbled.

Finally, with regard to the question about tribal homosexuality... in truth, it has more to do with transgenderism.  The Lakota tribe recognizes the Winyanktehca, or the two-souled shaman.  Also, the australian aborigines have yimpininni, known as sister-girls, who traditionally take on a female role and help in the fostering of children, care for the elderly and event planning.  Seriously, it's 2010, we're only ever a Google search from data.

At the end of the day, cluster judgment is the stuff of the slow.  I truly operate with absolute faith that we can all do better.  To evaluate a group of people based on its worst representatives is to ideologically sign on with the stupidest people on the planet.  How would you feel about a sentence that started with, "I have found Iranians to be...?" 

Hell, don't evaluate all homosexual Iranians based on me.  Muster up the gumption to address my words on a personal level-- that have nothing to do with ambassadorship for a people supposedly tied together by romantic and sexual appetites.  Be informed, though, that I can and will intellectually outmaneuver you.  I've had more experiences with misdirected negativity than you've had hot dinners.  Can you say the same from your safe, moral majority standpoint?  Really, consider silence as your greatest ally at this juncture.  Best you fester in private-- while I dismantle your flaccid logic on the mainstage.

Shameless,

Mehran