JamilEghrari

Dear Ali

Thank you for the reply.

As I have mentioned many times in many of my posts that I do respect Baha'is as they are our brothers in humanity. But even Khomeini and Ahmadinejad are our brothers as a Human being.

You must take into consideration the persecution of Other Baha'i sects by the mainstream Haifan Baha'i Admin. System. Wahid Azal repeatedly drew our attention to that. The persecution of Azalis by Baha'is is a known and decumented fact. See Bayanic.com

Now you tell me, will Baha'is allow to preach Azalism in their villages. For instance there is a village in Burma where most of the residents are Baha'is, I have visited that village personally. They are good people. If Wahid Azal goes there and try to convert them and I am sure if he goes there he will definately convert the whole of the village to Azalism. (;-) What will be the guidelines of the UHJ for these villagers? Will Wahid Azal be greeted and welcomed? Will they not shunn these Azalis? will they not "OTHER" them?

Dear Ali, this struggle between various religions, sects is bound to happen untill the "TRUE SAVIOUR OF MANKIND" comes. Isn't the Baha'i community struggling to keep its followers. It is only in Iran that they may be spreading. But in the rest of the world they are going down. If you want I will send you some links about the Baha'i statistics of various countries to satisfy you.

And I agree that some of the causes the spread of Bahaism in Iran is the attitude of IR towards them. But once the IR falls and Iran becomes an open field for the Haifan Baha'is, I am sure they will not be able to work in the way they are working now. Their downfall will also start in Iran. Actually IR is a boon for them and they are exploiting the IR. All the non-Baha'is on this website know this fact.

Now, my question to you, is that Islam believes that it is the best religion and other religions are not equal to it. NO EQUALITY OF RELIGIONS.

But Baha'is do believe that all the religions are equal. They are from the same source. You see they also believe in Krishna and Buddha. Isn't this amazing, a religion that claims itself to be Abrahamic believes in Krishna, whom the majority Hindus say is a hero of Mythology? In India, Burma, Nepal, Thailand there are many Baha'is who wish their body to be cremated. They don't insist or wish for a wooden coffin. They know that ultimately they have to go to the ABHA KINGDOM and no Assembly impose on them anything in this matter. In the Baha'i graveyard of Delhi and some other Baha'i graveyards that I have visited when I was in India, I saw a very few graves and the graveyards were also very small. Inspite the fact that the Baha'i community of India is the largest Baha'i community of the world, there are so less Baha'i graves, you can count them on fingers. Why? Where are all the Hindu Baha'is going?

The Baha'is are taking advantage of the IR attitude to promote their religion (Cult) in Iran and they are successful andthey will be successful till the time IR is there.

What I think is that when they believe in all the religions to be equal then the sincerety  demands from them that they should agree for burial without a wooden coffin. But they want to Exploit in the name of HR which they themselves do not believe in as it should be.

Regarding the involvement of politics, is it advisable for the canadian Baha'is to appeal to the people or government of UK for anything? Isn't it meddling in the political affairs of other nation? This guy is Canadian and appealing the people of UK. Why? Are the people of UK so stupid that they needs someone to guide them. If you want I can quote some 'AHAADEETH' of Abdol Baha regarding the people of UK and USA. And if you want I can also post some TRADITIONS of Abdol Baha regarding the AFRICANS.

May you live in peace even if you are on the wrong path.

Just a couple points

Hi Nadeem --

Just want to address couple points.

1) I am not aware of the cases you are referring to, regarding Indian Hindus that have become Bahai's and their burial wishes. I think that the key point is that with the case in Tabriz, a Baha'i should be buried according to his or her wishes. I think the reason Baha'is are so concerned is that this event is just one more on top of the many other discriminations they face in Iran. These are pretty basic requests for human rights. For example, would it be right for a Muslim to be buried as a Christian (if it was not his or her wish)? Of course not. I think the Baha'is are asking for the same respect and rights.

2) With regards to your last point, Baha'is cannot affiliate with a specific political party. Baha'is are told that they should look beyond political parties and vote for the best candidate. Baha'is are involved in the affairs within their countries. For example, during the civil rights movement in the US, the Baha'is were very active in their call to end the laws that allowed discrimination. Likewise, Baha'is are very involved in supporting laws that support protection for women, the environment, etc.

Hope this is helpful.

Unity of Religions?

"IR authorities in the city of Tabriz, Iran, have refused to allow Baha'is to bury a relative in accordance with Baha'i law – and instead have promised to entomb the deceased woman without a coffin under Muslim rites.

"To anyone who understands the culture of the Middle East, the idea that the government would force a family to bury their loved one according to the rites of ANOTHER RELIGION is beyond the pale," said Diane Ala'i, the representative of the Baha'i International Community to the United Nations in Geneva."

//news.bahai.org/story/845

In india many Baha'is believe in Lord Krishna as well as Baha'u'llah. Many Hindu Baha'is are cremated as per the Hindu rites. Nobody has any problem. The Baha'is always speak of unity of religions and unity of mankind and the unity of races and the unity of manifetations. All the religions are from the same source. What is there in the Coffin ?????

I do not believe in what Baha'is say. But I have heard that it is officially not allowed to baha'is to speak, appeal or sign petitions for any political affair of any country. What is this then ?

What a nutcase

Whilst this nutcase's admiration for the British is a personal matter and nothing to do with the faith, the comment below by RostamZ shows that even in a religion that people are asked to match their religion to their wisdom, they have already started to match their wisdom to their religion.

How could a nation state be first in evolutionary line? They have done many things but so have others. French revolution has as big a role in the modern Europe as Magna Carta. To claim that a country that started to form at the end of the 5th century was the first to have a law and order force is more like a joke.

This is all to avoid accepting that Abdolbaha was a human like any other and may have said it to flatter his guest, or because he did not know, or made a mistake. That is why no religion could ever make people rational and having no religion and no belief in infallible god, people or organisations would be the best salvation.

For me this guy comes first in evolutionary line

//iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observer/it-time-recognize-islamic-republics-scientific-accomplishments

SK

If you look at the British culture you can see they are people who contributed tremendously to humanity. Take for example the principle of freedom and democracy, rule of people through parliement, the first police force in the world, the British common law which many countries even the U.S. followed and the list is long. You also can argue that during colonial era the British committed many atrocities but compare that to what Dutch, Portugese, French and Spaniard did and you quickly realize that the Bristish were much better bunch. So, I don't know what you are lauging at. 

" The time has come for

" The time has come for People of United Kingdom to assume their spiritual destiny to bring the final change to our planet. They are the first in evolutionary line to lead the world once again "

British being first in evolutionary line !!!!! ... LOL 

I'm wondering

All these foreign countries like US, UK, Israel etc that "najes" Bahai traitors are supposed to be the stooges of, how come none of them has done anything effective whatsoever to help their Bahai nokars in Iran in the past 32 years?

Roger Rabbit

Actually, I don't see anything wrong with what Roger Rabbit has posted here.  Abdul Baha helped the inhabitants of the Holy Land by providing food and sustenance and he was thanked by the British.  There is nothing wrong with that.  If Roger Rabbit had other intentions, he probably would have posted them (unless he thinks people make false connections based on the goodness of the character of someone, in which case we'd have to say Salah-eddin Ayyubi was an ally of the Christians or the Jews because he was reasonable and did not massacre them when he took Jeruselam back during the Crusades).  If you are looking to make false accusations, it would help to have some documentation other than proof of someone's generosity.

here you go...

An anti_bahaii/Hojjatist Rabit! 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Abdulbaha (KBE) and the British