kamangir

To: Irandokht

Irandokht

I don't think the fact some Iranians are proud of their past and try to mention it and remind others of it, is the reason why Iran is in such a pathetic shape now. It's the supersticion, harsh and dry islamic beliefs that has taken and kept Iran in the hole it's nowadays. When they come and literally try to subdue and discriminate against our women in Iran, it 'may' actually help to remind them and specially the women that in the past our women were valued and equal to men or at leat they were not discriminated against as they're now. I agree that present is what matters, but has this 'present' and 'reality' of the free world stoped Iran from walking backwards? from being a the mediocre nation it has become? It's when we do not learn from the history when the history repeats itself. As per some of the commentarors here, well some are 'hezbolahi' and have that 'by default' grudge against anything other than their Islamic Iran.

when it goes too far

Kamangir

I liked your video for the effects and the names of the Iranian women in our history. Everyone who watches it knows those drawings cannot be accurate but it looks nice and frankly who cares what the iranians noses looked like back then!! I don't know why people expected the artist to make these ladies look unattractive on purpose!!

But reading the comments and seeing the conflict here reminded me of this excerpt from some guy's website:

Ancient Iranian art is on display at a section of the Louvre. Us
Iranians are too proud of our ancient past. So proud that we forget to deal with
our present. This is partially due to our need to separate ourselves from our
current regime. We live in 500 B.C. as a means to distance ourselves from 2008
A. C.! But too much pride leads to blindness.

I thought that applies to a lot of us. We try to live in 500 BC to avoid the reality of 2008 AC

thanks for the clip and it's a shame to see it brought on such arguments!

IRANdokht

Afsoos, Afsoos, Afsoos

Yes truly afssos=(it is sad), that some of us Iranians are so bigoted and hateful towards our Arab neighbors!

Well, maybe it is not sad, it's more like disgusting!

It is by forgetting our real

It is by forgetting our real history that we have allowed Islam to continue to strangle our country. Any Iranian who chooses to follow the bogus religion of the Arab pirates of the desert must question whether he or she is true to Iran.

By forgetting or neglecting Iran's history we only bring shame to the memory of our forefathers and to ourselves. We bring shame to the great nation of Iran.

brave iranian women

I get to see them  everyday, they brave out of their trenches that they dug aginst arab invaders(biased and womenizied judicical system in canada) into shopping malls not to spend their child tax benefits or child support cheque coming from nasty arab ex-husband but to show to canadians how high class they are., they left their arabs looking husbands for some real aryan man with blond hair....oh well some have black skin but still better than arabs  right?? please dont get me going on iranian women living here even canadian women are no match to their drive for freedom at least they take their kids with them when they leave their partners, I saw iranian women leaving behind their kids with their (arab) husbands, well I guess we cant blame them for that after all they are pure persians and iranian men are mostly arabs(there are of course some exception)

IRANdokht

Sounds like you want  to see some "nahsee-ye 13 bedar" huh?...LOL

NO , I think I have a lot of "RESPECT" for "OUR" traditions.I wouldn't touch that with a 10 feet pole.

Majid and Q

Please let me know if you both plan on attending the same 13-bedar

it'll be fun!

:0)

IRANdokht

Damn, I should have changed

Damn, I should have changed my name a long time ago , it makes me less Aryan, what about all the hair, Oghabee nose- you know, those damned ugly Arabs, Turks and Mongols! On the other hand, I should take comfort in the fact that Fatollah was also an Arteshbod, not like the ones from ancient times, nonetheless an Arteshbod!

Q....I know you get fustrated....

however is it really necessary?......life is just too short....

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia

You want to see stupidity?

Re-read your OWN comments!

I've seen your foot steps here and there, and I'm not going to feed your stupidity anymore, YOU DO!

That's it as for replying to your comments, I'm done and I'm not going to follow you to the LAJAN! get a life. 

Let's revive.

Let's revive.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gaLc6YEU7c&eurl=ht...

Majid, quit making excuses

I tend to only quarrel with with lies. For example your lie that lack of technology in the year 630AD was the reason for the Purandokht's nose being depicted as large.

Interesting. The coin on this page is depicting Roman emperor Philip the Arab (who actually was Arab) and was made about 400 years prior to Purandokht.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_the_Arab

There doesn't seem to be any problems producing a normal-sized nose on a coin there. Therefore, we have to assume that other contemporary depictions are accurate.

//www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/History/Sasanian/shapour_I.htm

The comment about the nose was both racist and inaccurate. Why is it so hard for you "Persia lovers" to admit something true for a change?

If you don't want quarrels, don't make stupid racist remarks.

Majid.......Sepaas

for your recommendation on the video clip.

Now on the quarrel comment. You do realize you are adding  to the flames. :o)

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia

Q...forgive them

The coin is dated 630, so bebakhshid if their Laser imaging technology they had to mint the coin at the time portrayed them a little awkward to you!

I think "Q" stands for "Quarrel" to anything Persian, right?

Mobarez, how racist can you get?

you should know that the big noses that some of Iranian have today came from Arab, Turks and Mongol gene pools that infected them. May be you see some irony in that but it is the truth.

First of all, you wouldn't know "truth" if it hit you over the head with a chomagh. Second, this is the real, factual image of Pre-Islamic persian Queen Purandokht before Arabs, Turks and Mongols came to Iran. Study her nose, and then STFU. There is nothing more pathetic than an ignorant racist.

Nice video clip

It's a very impressive video clip. It shows the glory time of Iran before the Arab invasion. It is interesting that the IRI agents pop up to oppose when there is something about the Persian history. I think they are afraid that Iranian women to become powerful like the women in ancient Iran(Persia). B-Naam, you should know that the big noses that some of Iranian have today came from Arab, Turks and Mongol gene pools that infected them. May be you see some irony in that but it is the truth.

Don't need fantasy

Respect women as they are, capable of doing all that any other person can do. I for one don't need fantasy to value women. All Histories are unproven. I am living through one with all the lies coming at me every day why the hell would I believe in the past. Don't look in the past and colorful dreams. Look around yourself today, examples of wonderful women are everywhere. Don't let the mullah's ignorance make you wish for dream life. Every time you look at your mother, sister, women MD, a female attorney, a simple worker, you see goodness. Women know their greatness, we don't have to prove it.

To Q

Don't forget what the Arabs did to Persians when they invated Iran. They killed millions of Persians, burnt their homes, took their women and children to slavery and..... . Now you are upset and feel insulted that I wrote "backward Arab females". Open your eyes and see how the Arab women live and how their value is not even the half of the Arab men's value in Islam. You should read the history of Arabs and what they did to other nations(specially to the Persians). If you are an Arab then you should be ashamed for being an Arab and for those awful things that your nation did in the past and even today to others!!!!!. Don't forget the one million Iranian who were killed by Sadam Hussain(Tazi, oh sorry I used the racist word). To inform you Tazi is not a racist word!!!!. It was used always for Arabs and Arabs called us Ajam. Is there any racism to use the word Ajam? !!!!!!!.

LOL

Apparently Persian women have preferred nose jobs since ancient times!  Oh no.  I forgot. Our unusually large noses are due to the Arab invasion infecting our gene pool.   

Dear Kamangir, while the idea here may have been noble, its presentation is horrible and ridiculous.  Would you show this to your non-Iranian friends?  Would you even show this to your children and American-born Iranians?  They will laugh at us!     

To Q

Why you guys(Pan-turk) get so angry when you hear about the glory of Persia and its honorable people. Everytime when there is something about the Persians, you guys pop up and start bashing the Persian history and culture. You are a fish and too fishy to take seriously.As for Ethnicity we Persians are proud of it and see our Persian Root as a plus and an asset to appreciating diversity. I know you are still proud of Qajars who were a bunch of sex and drug addicts and also Iran forosh.

Kamangir, again

then why don't you use real depictions instead of these teenage fantasies? What's the matter with factual history?

There are two things going on here. Racism and insult of history.

The "history" in that stupid video is not only visually wrong, but seriously stretched even in the few facts it makes. Artemsia, for example, was not even Persian, nor was she a "grand admiral of the Persian fleet". She became queeen of a Greek/Ionian client state by the virtue of having married her own brother who later died. Give me a f@#$@ break!

Don't tell me "Nobody here is racist". Can't you read "backward arab females" in the comments below? That's just the tip of the iceberg and you know damn well these attitudes are prevelant, even in your own writing.

There are people here who consider Persians superior to others and/or Arabs inferior. These people spend all their time crying about the "Tazi" (Racist word) invasion of Iran, without giving any consideration to much more brutal and devestating foreign invasions by Mongols, Greeks, Turks and occupation by British and Russians. This is not history, but an outlet for anti-Arab racism. Don't even try to deny this.

As for your opinion that we "couldn't be" neonazi. Apparently you are not aware of the multitudes of (idiot) Iranians who regulary espouse "aryan supremacy" ideals. They post on well known Neo-nazi sites, which is how I know about them. Here's a few examples of what we "couldn't be":
//www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ira...
//www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=5...
//www.geocities.com/aryannews/about.htm

The first two people are member of Stormfront "White Nationalist Group" and the third is from the "Aryan National Press", a "racialist" Aryan organization of Iranians. Still think, we "couldn't be" neonazi?

If you truly don't give a damn about Nazis then please don't copy their art propaganda!

Nadias: I believe the article you are referring to is this one.
//iranian.com/main/2008/ladies-first
Unlike this blog, that article is respectful, accurate and more comprehensive.

I assume Kamangir and others will not approve because it lists famous women of both pre-Islamic and Islamic era.

Q, again!

Dear Q

Nobody here is a neo-nazi, we couldn't be. Nobody here is racist, at least I'm not. This is about the real history of Iran, the position of women in the past (pre-arabic invasion) and their current situation. One may agree or disagree but please refrain from calling us racists or other names, everytime we refer to our history (pre- arabic invasion) history. 

We are taliking about ways of life, mentalities and societies comparing Women's position in the past and now.  I don't give a damn about aryans, nazis or anything related to it.  I'm not against arabs either, I've had very good and trustable friends. This is simply about preserving our Persian identity, in times when the IRI's arabization of Iran is in full gear. 

It's not the first time you try to creat arguments about racism.

Let's tone down the racism and Aryan supremacy, please!!!

Let's take pride in our heritage, but not at the expense of insulting history.

These so-called art pieces are ethnocentric fantasies in the style of Nazi "ideal" image of the human. The art is not even Perisan. The artists are emphasizing modern aryan features and even clothing without any basis in historical reality.

For a picture of what women actually looked like and were depicted, we don't have to invent western male sexual fantasies, there are real historical pieces that we can look at.

//www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/08/hm88_0_2...

//www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/03/hm3_7_1_...

Now can someone tell me if there is any resembolance between these pieces and the teenage fantasies in the video?

Kamangir, Many of these pictures seem to be from the site of that racist, sexist asshole who calls his coward self "Ahriman X" and puts up depictions of women like this:
//iranpoliticsclub.net/history/historical-wom...

I espeically like this one
//iranpoliticsclub.net/history/historical-wom...

Nadias

I don't know how to post this clip, but if you finish the original one ,on the bottom there's another one titled "Persian women in power", Watch that as well.

Long live Persia(Iran)

Thanks very much for sharing this with us. Artemisia, Pantea, Roxanna, Azarmidokht and many other powerful and adorable Proud Persian women should be the Iranian women's idols and not weak, backward Arab females like Fathemeh, Zaynab etc. Long live Persia. Drood bar Zarthosht(Zoroaster).

Ancient Aryaian / Persian

Ancient Aryaian / Persian Women Warriors
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=66unfiedk-o

Kamangir: sophisticated or

Kamangir: sophisticated or sofisticated???

Thank you for highlighting this important part of our history. I think there is a list of heroic women of Persia somewhere in the blogsphere. I don't remember which blog.

Nice....

but it would be even greater if there could be a list or essay on past and present Persian women worth remembering due to their many accomplishments.

I wish I could write it myself but alas, I would do an inadequate job.

Kamangir, would you be able to write it? I sure would like to know more about this great women from the past and present.

If not, do you know of any books already written with such valuable information?

Sepaas!

Solh va Doosti (paz a vosotros)

Nadia