Secular Democracy for Iran

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خر خان،

چون صحبت از مرگ و بهشت شد، منهم یک چند مطلب  را به گوش دوستان برسونم!

دربهشت توان بدنی انسان درکامیابی از زنان به اندازه صد نفر می گردد .

کتاب کنزالعمال، جلد14، ص 468

بهترین چیزهایی که مردم در دنیا و آخرت از آنها لذّت می‌برند، لذت آمیزش و بهره برداری از زنان می‌باشد.

کتاب وسائل، جلد14، ص 468

پیامبراکرم(ص): همانا بهشتیان به چیزی بیشتراز نکاح اشتها ندارند و لذت نمی‌برند.

کتاب لثالی، ص 503

حوری از خیمه خود بیرون آید و روی به تخت مؤمن بخرامد و چون به نزد مؤمن می آید با پانصد سال ازسالهای دنیا همدیگر را بوسه زنند که برای هیچ کدامشان ، خستگی و ملال حاصل نمی گردد. هرمؤمنی را هفتاد زوجه از حوران می دهند و چهار زن از آدمیان، که ساعتی با حوریّه صحبت می‌دارد و ساعتی با زن دنیا و ساعتی باخود خلوت می کند و بر کُرسیها تکیه زده‌اند و بایکدیگر صحبت می‌دارند.

بحارالانوار،ج 8، ص 157، ح 98

بیشتر نهر های بهشتی از نهر کوثر است که در کناره آن دختران نار پستان (مانند گیاه) می‌رویند. در بهشت نهری وجود دارد که در دو طرفش دختران باکره سفید روی و سفید پوش نشسته‌اند و مشغول تغنی (آواز خواندن) هستند.

بحارالانوار،ج۸،ص۱۹۶

دوشیزگان با چنان صدایی می خوانند که خلایق تا کنون چنین صدایی را نشنیده‌اند و این نعمت، بالاترین نعمات بهشتی است این دوشیزگان به تسبیح (ذکر صفات الهی) تغنی میکنند.

بحارالانوارص۱۲۷

هریک ازآن حوریان، هفتاد حلّه پوشیده اند و سفیدی ساق ایشان از زیر هفتاد حلّه معلوم است. از جماع با هر یک ازآن حوریان لذّت صد مرد را می یابد که هریک چهل سال خواهش مجامعت و آمیزش داشته باشند و برایشان میسّر نشده باشد.

بحارالانوار،ج 8، ح 205

پس آن مؤمن با قوّت صد جوان با آن حوری جماع و آمیزش کند و یک آغوش با او هفتاد سال طول می کشد. مؤمن متحیّر می باشد که نظر به کدام اندام حوری بکند، بر روی او یا بر پشت او یا بر ساق او، بر هر اندام او که نگاه می کند از شدّت نور و صفا، روی خود را درآن مشاهده می نماید. پس دراین حال زن دیگری بر او مشرف میگردد که خوشروتر و خوشبویتر از اوّلی است.

هیچ مؤمنی داخل بهشت نمی شود مگر آنکه خداوند غنیّ ، پانصد حوری به او عطا می‌فرماید که با هر حوری هفتاد غلام وهفتاد کنیز نیز می‌باشد که هریک مانند لؤلؤ منثور و لؤلؤ مکنون می‌باشند.


بحارالانوار،ج 8، ح 205

Prophet Deepak

I have watched Deepak for many years now. what I don't like about him and his ilk is their reluctance to utter the phrase, "I don't know". The problem is that while he rejects organized religion, he has almost formed a religion of his own, as any settled philosophy is a religion anyway.  

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

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Wow! These Koranic verses are eye-opening.......the virgins have to be bashful and dark-eyed......so they can't be too aggressive and light-eyed......

شازده

با این دو دو تا چارتای تو، جمعا ما صاحب  ٢٦،٨٧٣،٨٥٦  خواهیم شد .. :)

بابا دم علامه مجلسی گرم .. !

Any time

Sleep tight ... till next weekend.

SAM,

Exactly! Have a good night!

Midwesty

I wish you had more inelegance in you not to refer to Shazdeh and I in such way that you did in your last comment. Anyways, although this blog is not about Virgins in Quran and its more about 3 western religious dogmas, its presenting a fresh look at the life itself, Deepak indicates that Death is continuum of life...transformation of life from one form to another, and as basic scince rule: "Matter, is neither created nor destroyed, but  changes f from one form to another."  I suggest you watch the 3 videos once again.

Now lets go back, reluctantly, to your favorite subject: "Virgins". Following are the direct quotes from Quran also Hadiths. 

_Va Salaam 

VIRGINS (HOURIS)

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Quran are:

Quran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Quran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Quran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Quran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...

Quran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Quran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Quran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "

Quran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

YOUNG BOYS

Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:

Quran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Quran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Quran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.

Midwesty: the real problem with Islamists like you is that

You probably don't even pray, read Koran, go to a mosque, listen to a mullah, look at the Shiite Hadith ... with open eyes, ears and minds. It is funny how you have been frantically Googling to even get the Shiite spelling right!

Shiite and Islamism for you is just another excuse and tactic to fight your good old war with the Wicked West, which you can't ever forgive for its freedoms and personal liberties.

PS: "in which a small part is Hadith"? Now, who is BSing whom? Shiite Hadith volumes and crazy hallucinations are 1000 times more than the whole Koran and Sunni traditions put together!

fidelio,

i second your comment and as a result I don't bullsh*t things like Khar and SAM do. I simply say I don't know! Or I bring both opposing sides to the table and tell people to choose! (IFFFFF I am hallucinating enough to think that I am in charge of guiding people).

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Thank you, Khar, for the 2 additional cool videos......Deepak has one book on Rumi's poems:

//www.amazon.com/Love-Poems-Rumi-Deepak-Chopra/dp/0609602438/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1287347442&sr=8-1-spell

I am glad to see the Persian classics being spread by him.....

Deepak is very bold, unconventional, and sophisticated!

Deepak is right....(sometimes) religions create divisions......the "love" talked about by Rumi is universal and ecumenical!

Thank you for sharing!

It doesnt matter if its 72 virgins

or 72 grapes, or 72 pillars, its all false witness.

Islam. Christianity, Judaism, and even the drivel peddled by this Deepak are all equal and equivalent glimpses of the untrue.

No one knows what lies beyond. 

khar...

give me a reference on what verse and sourah in Koran.

Bahar-ol-anvar is not an scholarly text as is mafateeh-ol-jenan and many more Shia books which are only scriptures with the purpose of providing a collection of Hadith's in which the validity of the Hadith's are left to the researchers to find out.

Shia has 4 resources, Koran, Sonat (in terms of the methodologies in Islam in which a small part is the Hadith), Common Sense (Wisdom), and Logic. 

None of these resources can not contradict the other.

So I guess I am done with this discussion since I can imagine what you and your fellows are coming back with. 

Midwesty

in Quran its referring to them as multitude of "Hooryian Beheshti", 72 is perhaps a symbolic number. Also refer to Shazdeh Comment: "72 palaces, each with 72 halls, each with 72 carpets and on each carpet 72 virgins!". Now, my question to you is; are you a Moslem? If you are, read your beloved holy book again

....and yes I'm an Iranian too

OK - which one of my "usual" nicknames do you prefer, Midwesty?

IRI? Khamenei? Ahmadinejad? Basiji? 

Jewish? Israeli? Zionist? Mosad?

Savak? Shahi? Evin chief? Doctor?

Choose one and I will be back real fast!

Sam

I don't believe i have ever striked a conversation with you ( at least not under this Shazdeh name) but you sound utterly too freindly. So as I said the word is not Shiite as You are calling me your fellow?!?! Didn't you have time to go back under the usual nickname this time? Now if you be a good clown and come back under your usual name I might give you an answer that you would put all your nicknames up for retirement!

Midwesty is "right"

If I may interject ... it is not 72 virgins!

Refer to Alameh Majlesi's Bahar al-Anvar:

"72 palaces, each with 72 halls, each with 72 carpets and on each carpet 72 virgins!

Fellow Shiite: don't sell yourself short :o)

well said Khar jaan

The choice is ours, but the path is scary. Any unfinished business, and one may end up where it all started. The best to wish for is a fulfilled life, with no regrets and no returns ;-)

Khar where the heck...

This 72 virgins is coming from ( other than the Zionist literature and conversation). You are an Iranian, arent you? So show me any Shia ( the correct word is Shia not shiit or shiiat or shiiiiiiiit) scholary lit that talks about 72 virgins?

Shazdeh Jaan

Coming back in a different level of consciousness is at heart of existence, plus it beats spending an eternity with "72 virgins" in heaven, or in the depth of burning "hell".

Yolanda jaan you're welcome

He provides the listener a different angle on reality from the norms, especially on the subject of life & consciousness.

Deepak Chopra reciting Rumi

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYDrd1a0M0&feature=related

Deepak Chopra: "The Wonder of You"

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GtimvTX6Q

"not fear the aging of the body nor its death"

It can actually be more frightening, if a return is possible ... again and again.

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Very interesting videos......his fearless view on death reminds me of Rumi's view.....in the 1st video.....he said he has no fear for death.....in the 2nd video he mentioned Rumi's poem......I know Deepak is a big fan of Rumi's poems.....he recited Rumi's poems in many you-tube videos.

Thank you for sharing!