Be very afraid, this is Islam's plan for you

I hope the World is reading this post

None of your chest beating shias are willing to address the fundamental issues raised here. You talk about how Persian and proud you are and that you are more persian that I. Fine, I do not have arab blood running in my veins, I do not bend over to  worship a people that destoryed my language, culture and religion - you do!

Can anyone here address this, I mean even Rosie side steps these points. She wants to talk about how great Islam was, is and will be and it is only a recent history due to a few evil men that have shed a negative light on Islam. Zereshk I say to you, Rosie, you have no idea what you are talking about - you only lost your Iranian lover[btw, was he a muslim?\, other have lost their lives, their loved ones to Islam.

1- Mohammad was a pedophile.

2- Mohammad murdered many men, women and children.

3- Arab muslims raped, enslaved many Persians.

4- Arab muslim destroyed much of Persia, looting it and sending its riches back to Saudi Arabia.

5. Saudis, to whom you bend over, detest you and believe you are vermin pagans, yet year after year you spend millions going to your "kaj."

I have simplified it for you. How do proud Persians claim any connection to this part of their past with pride? There are accounts of persian girls from 6 to 80 year old women being raped by more than 100 arab muslims and then killed.

I recently spoke to a veteran of the Iran-Iraq War. He said when Khormashar was liberated they found numerous homes filled with Iranian women, yes, your Iranian sisters,mothers daughters, who were raped repeatedly by Iraqis. Yet, you still bend over and pray to them. When will you learn, I think never!

You want a free Iran, you have first free yourself from Islam!

You are product of rape and invasion. This shame has blinded you. It is difficult process to believe everything you were told about Islam is a lie! But, the sooner you realize this the sooner you start the road to recovery!

Thank you for all your kinds words and words of wisdom. Let the World know your shame!

It is true, Xerxes, Zion knows MUCH more than probably anyone on

this site about comparative religion and its relation to history and literature.  But there's one thing he doesn't know....and that's that his blind spot is in his chosen name...not to say that Zionism was not the product of our tragic history, and created by Europe (the same Christian Europe the Islamic Abassids had to save the ass of a thousand years ago...).......but just that well...let's not reinvent the wheel.  Zion's views on Zionism are AMPLY articulated in the featured blog "Anywhere but Israel" (Dec. 30), as are my own:

the holy land is all around you

it is everywhere

above you inside you

the voices of your fathers are not your voice

their horror too

this now can be silent

open your eyes o children of israel

it is time

surrender the ghost.

BUt as I tirelessly tried to express on that blog, Xerxes, no forward movement can ever happen to win the hearts and minds of ordinary Israeli and non-Israeli Zionists until/unless there is a fundamental change in the language of the "left" which recognizes the historical roots of the present tragedy and the terror of the Jewish people...and it's behooven unto you, yes YOU, to somehow incorporate it every time you broach this issue....otherwise you do as KS does, you polarize them and you make things worse...

"my" people are terrified...they're sick...you have to try to help them...look beyond the politics to the tragic human dimension of recent history...I know it's hard...but what you're asking KS and Zion to do is no easier...so please be fair...

you won't sway these two any day soon, I tried and failed on that blog...Abermard and Q did too...but I swayed Daryush, the author.  He told me he would never use the words Nazi State of Israel again.  I suggested "Oppressor State of Israel" and he thanked me for it.

xerxes has fallen prey to

xerxes has fallen prey to revisionary history being taught at Madrasa in Quom,,,you can't really fault him for being brainwashed by jihadist khomeinists system.

Poetry and moral values

Well, my dear Xer.., based on your kind of literature and sexual obsessions, I can tell you this: You can in no ways lay claim on representing the rich and glorious literary tradition of Persia. The best you can represent is the infamous anti-omar "omar-keshoon"shiite derogatory songs. So please, give us a break here. Copy and pasting other great people's work rubs nothing on to you and your mentality. 

 Ferdowsi was decried a heretic, his entire work was based on PRE-Islamic myths an world views. Rumi was decried a heretic, as sufism and Irfan are based on Greek and pre-Islamic ME mystery religious doctrines, not Islam. I challenge you to compare the world view and value structure  of Saadi's wok with Koran and the Talmud and you'll see where the real similarity resides. Baghdad, and its leaning environment  where he studied, was based on older Sassanid universities, including Talmudic centers like Nahardia where the BABYLONIAN talmud was compiled. The same goes with Hafez that openly ridicules Islamic doctrines and its defenders.  

I know much more than you think about persian literature and its human and tolerant world view. You however, besides copy and pastings, have apparently learned nothing and missed the whole point.  

What about Attar...Attar of Rosie...was he rotten to the core?

Kill the Shark, King Solomon.  My god, what about Attar?
What if...what if...THIS is the Simorgh...this website the mirror...what if....we really ARE....all one.....how many are we here on this thread...this cybermountain...would you say about 30...Kuhe Simorgh....

 sorry, it's Fitzgerald, I know it's dated...but you get my point..

I was the Sin that from Myself rebell'd:
I the Remorse that tow'rd Myself compell'd:
I was the Tajidar who led the Track:
I was the little Briar that pull'd you back:
Sin and Contrition—Retribution owed,
And cancell'd—Pilgrim, Pilgrimage, and Road,
Was but Myself toward Myself: and Your
Arrival but Myself at my own Door:
Who in your Fraction of Myself behold
Myself within the Mirror Myself hold
To see Myself in, and each part of Me
That sees himself, though drown'd, shall ever see.
Come you lost Atoms to your Centre draw,
And be the Eternal Mirror that you saw:
Rays that have wander'd into Darkness wide
Return, and back into your Sun subside.'—

This was the Parliament of Birds: and this
The Story of the Host who went amiss,
And of the Few that better Upshot found;
Which being now recounted, Lo, the Ground
Of Speech fails underfoot: But this to tell—
Their Road is thine—Follow—and Fare thee well.

v

Zion, criticize yourself

Really, what the hell do you know about Iranian poetry? Whatever you say is the exact opposite of the Iranian poems and culture. You will never know since hate has captured your mind. You are mistaking your Zionist ideologies with religion, society, history, humanity and the ideas of the means justifies the end. We Iranians are not you, just as the poems below proves...C yah

Misunderstanding

It is a misunderstanding to confuse Islamic doctrine with reality of history. Rosie and others, you still are not getting the main point here. The middle east was the center of civilization from the beginning of history.  When Islam conquered many lands, it did not have the capacity to rule them, it was too parochial to be able to handle vast empires of the most advanced the most civilized nations of earth. So of course the so called muslim empires had to resort to pre-islamic laws, mentalities an knowledge and wisdom to survive. The abbasids did not rule solely on islamic law. They couldn't have. The samanids in iran were basically persian revivers. It was the existing civilization and wisdom of the region that survived DESPITE Islam, not because of it for some time , until it became suffocated once Islam got enough cultural hold to implement its doctrines. Read Ghazali and you'll see. All the scholars you talk about, ALL of them, were denounced as heretics, promoters of pagan and ancient wisdom, hellenizers and so on by Islamic clergy, based-correctly- on islamic law. Islam at that time get compared to the dar ages in Europe and indeed it was a more enlightened society. But when you compare things wit the darkest aspects of a period, it doesn't really prove that much. Compare it with the great civilizations over which Islam got teh upper hand, and who NEVER rose to their heights again. That should be the correct comparison to seethe role Islam has played, not what the fertile land of civilizations has produced UNDER the yoke of Islam for some time, running on their old momentum,  before all was crushed down all together. That includes discussions around great Persian poets as well by the way.  

One of the most Humanistic poems in the world

And this one is dedicated to my Iranian friends that I love them no matter what.

بناهای آباد گردد خراب
زباران و از تابش آفتاب

پی افکندم از نظم کاخی بلند
که از باد و باران نيابد گزند

چو دانی که برتو نماند جهان
چه رنجانی از آز جان و روان

بخور آنچه داری و بيشی مجوی
که از آژ کاهد همی آبروی

ميازار موری که دانه کش است
که جان دارد و جان شيرين خوش است

درشتی زکس نشود نرم گوی
سخن تا توانی به آزرم گوی

چو اين نامور نامه آمد به بن
زمن روی کشور شود پر سخن

نميرم از اين پس که من زنده ام
که تخم سخن را پراکنده ام

Kourosh not iranian-Lesson four

Here you see that you have absolutely no Iranian culture in you. Ferdousi says:

بيا تا جهان را به بد نسپاريم
به کوشش همه دست نيکی بريم

نباشد همی نيک و بد پايدار
همان به کی نيکی بود به يادگار

همان گنج دينار و کاخ بلند
نخواهد بدن مر تو را سود مند

سخن ماند از تو همی يادگار
سخن را چنين خوار مايه مدار

فريدون فرخ فرشته نبود
زمشک و زعنبر سرشته نبود

به داد دهش يافت اين نيکويی
توداد و دهش کن فريدون تويی

Now go learn something. If you can't read this ask one who can help you to see the light. Zendeh baad Iran

Lesson Three

How to treat people. Maybe your parents haven't thought you well. Here is what we Iranians believe:

يکی قطره باران زابری چکيد
خجل شد چو پهنای دريا بديد

که جايی که درياست،من کيستم
گر اوهست ٬حقا که من نيستم

چو خود را به چشم حقارن بديد
صدف در کنارش به جان پرويد

سپهرش به جايی رسانيد کار
که شد نامور لولو شاهوار

بلندی از آن يافت کاو پست شد

در نيتی کوفت تا هست شد
Learn this well for your own good. Good old Sa'di Shirazi, After Islam kuchulu khan

Koodkesh Kesafatian

You fool think only a persian name is enough for being persian !
Mr. Nouriala's name is arabic, but he is more persian than you could ever imagine.
go read his articles and you will never write a single line anymore.
You should better call your self Koodkesh Kesafatian.
You are a shame for all persians.

Lesson tWO

Yes Kourosh kuchulu, we Iranians became a different moslems than you try to portray. If they are other moslems in the world, their issue. We have all the answers but will not force them to others. As Hafez Shirazi has said:

این حدیثم چه خوش آمد که سحرگه میکفت

بردر میکده ای با دف و نی ترسایی

گر مسلمانی از این است که حافظ دارد

وای اگر از پی امروز بود فردایی

Killer Shark/King Solomon: What about the Abassid scholars who

single-handedly salvaged culture from the swamp of early Medieval Europe and paved the way for the Renaissance.  Were they rotten to the core?

What about Shah Ismail?  Was he rotten to the core?

What about Hafez? Rumi? Saadi? Were they rotten to the core?

I know, I know, I'm going back a bit in history but YOU SAID...YOU SAID....historically Islam has not changed from Quranic days.  YOU SAID IT. Not me....you posit a STATIC history for Islam.

And these are MAJOR MAJOR figures in the political, social and cultural evolution of Iran and the WORLD....

Your argument is fallacious.  Everything changes through time.  It is true that in recent years Islam has been less than glorious...but it's STILL just a word...and its practitioners can be FLEXIBLE...if PEOPLE WITH YOUR PERSPECTIVE WOULD STOP TERRIFYING THEM AND POLARIZING THEM INTO THE HANDS OF TOTALITIARIANS.... ESPECIALLY in Iran whose Islam is such a HYBRID of Mazdaism, Turkic shamanism, etc., etc.....they don't even historically observe the prohibition on living images...they have SAINTS...Shia Iran is by nature from what I glean more like historical Catholicism than dogmatic Sunnism...what potential for a FLORID, LUSH Islam if you would but embrace them....

 Khomeini was a maniac...an aberration....expunge HIM, not ISLAM...you're like...Hans Brinker...but it's hopeless...you will NOT stop the floods with your little finger on Islam...you will ONLY sow seeds of more discord...

 PS I'm deeply grateful you include me with parity among the debaters... as an ersatz Iranican....

Kourosh I can save you

You don't know Iran and Iranians. To begin let me tell you how Iranians have put Islam as their religion dear lost friend. Lesson one:

نگفتمت مرو آنجا كه آشنات منم
درین سراب فنا چشمه حیات منم
و گر به خشم روی صد هزار سال ز من
به عاقبت به من آیی كه منتهات منم
نگفتمت كه به نقش جهان مشو راضی
كه نقش بند سراپرده رضات منم
نگفتمت كه منم بحر و تو یكی ماهی
مرو به خشك كه دریای با صفات منم
نگفتمت كه چو مرغان به سوی دام مرو
بیا كه قوت پرواز و پّر و پات منم
نگفتمت كه تو را ره زنند و سرد كنند
كه آتش و تبش و گرمی هوات منم
Yes we are this, not your stupid ass article. Get lost and learn something before guz smell this place.

Kouroush Sassanian

Please listen to what Mahmoud Haghshenas is saying. For your own good.

You need to stop this madness. It's really not that funny anymore. Try to act as a Human Being. Get rid of this facade. You are hurting too many people. Think about it.

A True Iranian, as you say you are, does not behave like this. Who cares about Mullahs, Seyyeds, etc. Your fangs are spewing venom everywhere.

Have some Humanity!!

Oh dear dear...oh oh 7

I got it 007 I got it....Americans are...arrogant, voracious, blind-sighted, the French are arrogant in a different way, petty, pretentious...Spaniards are...torrid, bommbastic.... Iranians....are....paranoid, defensive, conflictive...not all, but many...it's...the national disease...you can see it on the Iranian of the Day...the new born baby is a KGB agent...and I...am "khareji" so I just "don't get it..." And I NEVER EVER could....let us agree to disagree on the "captcha quiz"...thanks again for the olive branch...have a wonderful day....Max....

Barbara Feldon the Obtuse

Rosie

By psychoanalyzing the Iranians as you just did, it tells me you didn’t get my point. More power to you & have a fantastic day.

Look at your name, Mehdi!

You must be a Seyyed! You must be proud to have been first in line when the arabs were giving out free t-shirt that said, "I love Islam."

As you can see, the World is at War with pedophile Worshiping, beheading loving, and stoning loving people.  

So far, I have Apoligists, Evasion lovers, Conspiracy theorists, revisionists - you can cut it however you wish, Rosie's way, Mehdi's way, Alis, Hossein; at the end you are left with a man who was a pedophile that killed thousands of people and forced his evil thoughts by the Sword of Islam.

Fast forward to the present, Islam has not changed. It is rotten to the core!

You cannot rewrite history! Yes, it is a shame for a Persian to be a muslim, to worship the same people that raped, looted and destroyed your land. But you do so three and some of your 5 times a day!

Read a few articles about the Stockholm Syndrome and you may begin to undertstand. It will not be easy.

You see my clan never gave in to the arab muslims. We kept our faith, our names and our tradition. You can do the same. It is never too late!

Human rights are not

Human rights are not recognized by Islam, period. Religious rights are the only rights women or men are entitled to.
Islam requires total submission to One God, including our sense of what is right and wrong to what God declared right and wrong. If you are not willing to accept that then you are not a muslim. It is not gauranteed that you will understand the wisdom behind each and every command and decree of God and this is the test for us in this life according to Islamic doctrines and true devotees. Nothing else is relevant...

Thank you for the olive branch Anon 007

What you call my high-handed way is probably a function of my educational background which has shaped the way I express myself.  I have to make a choice; do I CHANGE my normal way of expressing myself or do I just be me?  Finally I opted to just be me. This is the way I write.  It's just a STYLE, no more. 

 I really do wish you'd read Salaam Iraan, and also my other articles.  YOu'd understand me better.

And also I am privy I know a LOT about Iran, past and present.  Not as much as you, for sure, but as much as some Iranicans who post here...they've told me I've taught them things.  Why should they have carte blanche and not I?

You see you're dealing here with a cultural issue--it's symbolized by the walls that surround each Persian home and garden. It's an isolationism that began, I think, not with the Arabs but with the Mongols and Tatars.  So many of you WANT the greatness and richness of your culture to be understood, but everytime a "khareji" comes here, we get attacked for being intrusive and meddlesome.  This needs to be scrutinized.

That's why there's so few of us, not for lack of interest but for how we're treated.  The only reason I've managed to stick it out is because Iran is in my bones and blood, and I swear to you, I have no choice in the matter.  Don't you think if I did, I'd have been out of here long ago?  High-minded, perhaps I sound that way, but psychotic, I doubt it...I would be PSYCHOTIC to stay here if Iran were not in my bones and blood....why would I bother? Half of the attention I get is so searingly negative, what would the payoff be?

Think about it.

 And think about REGISTERING.  It's so much easier to track things...but you can find my articles unregistered by clicking on my blue Rositta name....

Best wishes

Agent 99

Rose

What I do object to is your highhanded way, intentional or not, in subjects that it is quite clear that you are not privy to. It plays into the hand of those who hide behind this sort of perhaps good intentioned yet woefully inadequately informed ones. Hope you don’t get me wrong, I am certainly glad you do postings here; it adds and enriches all, at least it does me.

Anon007

Your perception of me is incorrect.  Suggest you read my article Salaam Iran (featured November 28). I'm not even primarily intellectual.  My discourse is essentially poetic.  I engage in polemics by necessity,not choice.  I'm sorry you see me the way you do.

Sorry I can't provide URL's.  There's something wrong with my computer and they don't appear on the screen for me.

Robin

Koroush Sadistian-e Nekbat

The best word to describe the personality of the so-called Koroush sadistian is this: Nekbat.

The marauding Rosie

You are a marauder looking for an opportunity to yap your day’s away while most who post here are victims of a system that you have no inkling of what it is all about. For you it is an “intellectual discourse” ala Columbia U's "Mideast experts". For some of us it is like watching people get into back and forth on the finer points of legitimacy or lack of ethnic cleansing by the Nazis while the ovens are going full blast. It is not Monarchy v. Theocracy; it is all about human beings being systematically oppressed while people like you look for talking points and gullible ones to adore them.

Sexual frustration

Xerxes (what a defamation to that great king to call yourself by his name), 

can see that you are obsessed with the female sexual organ (it is the same word in Arabic and Hebrew, actually meaning a cup). It doesn't surprise me. As an islamist faithful you must be truly frustrated. It finds way to free itself. I hope it helps you here. :) 

Islam vs. Muslims, doctrine vs. history, local vs. global

One particular pseudo-argument is to point to other violent conflicts around the world, hindus, christians, Jews, sikhs... . The point however is that all of them are local conflicts. Islamic threat is global. islam wants world domination, based on its belief in its absolute divine authority.   

Another pseudo-argument of the islamic apologists is to confuse Islam (the doctrine) with muslims (the people). Muslims are of course varied. There belong to different cultures from whence they originate, but this has nothing to do with the discussion about ISLAM. Islam is the ideology, the doctrine and in that sense it is actually quite uniform in its basic beliefs. 

The kurdish warrior is in a sense correct. The main issue os to confine Islam like other religions into personal belief of individuals with their various mentalities.  The problem is that Islam, unlike most other religions, resists this based on its core values. It is a political doctrine and it will remain so until it is forced out of politics and the blind dogma of Koran being a direct divine revelation (even dictation) abolished. For that it is essential that put Koran in its historical basis and view it as what it is, a mixture of Christian heretic hymns and arab military manuals and campaigns and then separate one from the other. the problem is that islamist believers will kill and bribe, ravage and explode, threaten and manipulate to prevent this from happening, all that based on the ideological core of Islamic faith.

See here:

//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA15Ak03.html 

Anonymous007, I like...

everyone.   You wrote: Leftist omnipresent Rositta likes her own kind, what a revelation

You know, I put a lot of heart and soul into what I wrote Abermard and the flippant causticity of your reply shows a lot about you.  But I still like you, in theory and potential, at least.  So, I'll just respond  by saying that I have probably defended the legacy of the Pahlavis more tirelessly than anyone on this site except the ultra-ultra Shahis, and my poetry is infused with Aryan symbolism, so I'm NOT your garden variety "leftist".  You have not seen me ONCE apologize for the IRI.  I'm the one who coined the phrase:  Islamic Repugnance of Iran and United States of a Murderer."

So what are you going to do with me?  What box are you going to put me in?  Shall I giftwrap it for you?  You could sorely USE a revelation, dear...I'll see if I can find you one...in a box....

Left, right, up, down, north, south, in, out...leftist....

And as for my purported omnipresence, because I'm REGISTERED I can track the threads I'm on, so I know when there have been replies...and I go back and check...and I work INTENSIVELY rather than extensively.  Perhaps we two gravitate to the same threads, but COUNT the percentage of threads I post on, if it's 5% it's a LOT.  I don't even LOOK AT the vast majority of postings.  I seem to loom larger in your mind than I actually am on this website...hmmmm.....

Hmmmmmm

I don’t believe Islam is the problem, on the other hand having it in politics and force it upon others is another issue. Religion should be a personal thing. Once we get rid of this fascist regime and replace it with secular one, I’m confident that this issue would be resolved. Iran is a multicultural society with different religions and as far as my knowledge most Iranians are not religious specially the Kurds. The question is how we are going to get rid of this regime, with so many oppositions who can’t even agree with each other on simple issues.

Leftist omnipresent Rositta

Leftist omnipresent Rositta likes her own kind, what a revelation.

The probelm is

The problem with Iran, US, and the middle east is Israel. that's what Israel preaches to the administration in the US, WAR, WAR and WAR. Hope US wakes up and throws AIPAC out of this country for good. America will survive and will stop her trillions of dollars in Israeli pockets, someday within this century. All the issues you see and hear is because of Israel, otherwise go back and see how easily we all got a long.