A Brief Critique of Soroush (and Najafi)

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A Brief Critique of Soroush (and Najafi)
by Masoud Kazemzadeh
06-Jun-2012
 

A Brief Critique of Soroush (and Najafi)

1. Dr. Soroush condemns Najafi for disrespecting religious values (of Shias).

Dr. Soroush was a member of the Hojatieh Society before the revolution. Did the group that Soroush was a member of respect the religion of the Bahais, their "pure ones," and their holy figures? Did the Hojatieh Society only engage in civil debate about the rational basis of the Bahai faith? Didn’t the Hojatieh viciously attack the religious values of these folks? Didn’t the Hojatieh Society have a secret organization that infiltrated the Bahai organizations? When there was violence done to the Bahais and their places of worship, did the Hojatieh Society support those or condemn those? Didn’t the Hojatieh promote discrimination against Bahais in employment, education, and the like?

Hojatieh Society was bigoted organization. What is the difference between the Hojatieh Society spreading intolerance of the Bahai religion, and Shahin Najafi’s song? Which one is worse? The one which had the backing of powerful entities (reactionary clerics, even cooperation of SAVAK at times) and the prejudice of the majority of the population attacking a defenseless small minority, or the one which is one person with the help of a few musicians producing a song and putting it on the internet?

How can Dr. Soroush demand others to respect the religious sensitivities of the Shia Muslims while he himself was part of a "secret" reactionary organization that promoted bigotry and intolerance against the adherents of another faith??????? Why the double standard? Why is it ok to attack one religion but not the other religion? Has Dr. Soroush ever condemned his own membership in the bigoted and intolerant Hojatieh Society? Or does Dr. Soroush deny that he ever was a member of the Hojatieh?

2. Dr. Soroush was an intellectual who provided his services to Khomeini and was prominently featured on the regime’s tv and radio. The regime has persecuted many religious minorities, including executing about 200 prominent Bahais in the early years of the revolution, while Dr. Soroush was helping justify the fundamentalist regime.

Dr. Soroush sided with Khomeini and the terribly reactionary and repressive forces when the universities were purged from secular, liberal, and Marxist professors, administrators, and students.

3. When in 1989 Khomeini issued his fatwa against Salman Rushdie, where was Dr. Soroush? When Mehdi Bazargan courageously stood up to Khomeini and called that fatwa mediaeval, where was Soroush?

4. Shahin Najafi is expressing the anger of those generations that have been insulted, beaten up, tortured, raped, and oppressed for 32 or so years. What Mr. Najafi is doing is not right. It is not right to insult the beliefs of others. Many Shia Muslims do NOT support the regime. In fact, there have been decent Shia clerics who opposed and warned the people about the dangers of mixing religion and politics, especially under Khomeini and the fundamentalist system. They include Grand Ayatollah Kazem Shariatmadari, and Ayatollah Taleghani. Devout Muslims who oppose the nezam velayat faghih is our potential allies. They are oppressed by the vf regime as the secular forces. Najafi’s song has provided ammunition to the reactionary forces and clerics in Iran to present themselves as the defenders of the faith. I made this point a month ago about an earlier song by Shahin Najafi. This is one point that Soroush also recognizes.

But what Najafi is doing pales in comparison with the daily INSULTS that the Iranian people get from the IRGC, Basij, morality patrols. It pales in comparison with the mass torture, mass rape, and the mass killings of the political prisoners while Dr. Soroush was engaged in providing ideological justifications for Khomeini’s brutal regime. Considering his own terrible past, I think his use of insulting words for Mr. Najafi is weird and most inappropriate.

5. It is wonderful that Dr. Soroush has moved away from providing ideological justifications for the fundamentalist regime. It is great that he is criticizing the fatwa of the clerics in Iran. However, I think Dr. Soroush should first strongly condemn his own role against religious freedom of the Bahais, as well as his role in providing ideological justifications to the nezam velayat faghih and Khomeini’s rule.

6. A "war" between those who insult the religious values and those who use religion to rule is harmful for the prospects of a society living in peace. But it is the fault of those who in the first place USED religion for power. Theocracy will give rise to insults to the values of the theocrats. The insults are reactions to decades of oppression, repression, and insults. When you keep putting pressure on a spring, it will eventually spring back. When you keep increasing the heat beneath a kettle of water, it will eventually boil. These are natural reactions. To insult Najafi is not the solution. It just increases the heat and will further cause more insults.

The solution is a transition from the reactionary and oppressive theocracy ruling Iran to a pluralistic and democratic system, where each person (or group) is free to think and live as he or she so wishes. We need to have a transition to system where no one will impose one’s values onto others. That there would be freedom of religion, ALL religions, as well as various interpretations of one’s religion. And most significantly the freedom not to have any religion at all. Under such environment, people would politely and civilly exchange their views on religion. And each person could choose what makes sense to him or her.

Perhaps due to the terrible religious tyranny that the Iranian people have been terrorized with in the past 32 or so years, and the reactions to them, our people are ready to mature and exit the violent dead end of theocracy. Or may be we are not there yet. But we need to get there. Only under a secular system -- where each person or group can live as they wish, to practice one’s religion, or not to have any religion at all -- can we have a decent and peaceful society. To live and let live, as one wishes is the solution to our highly polarized society.

My 2 cents,

Masoud

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Dear Mr.Jalili

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Dear Mr.Jalili,

I fully agree with what you wrote.  I would add that when the Safavids came to power, beginning with 1501, they began a horrendous massacre of the Sunnis, who until then had constituted the majority of the Iranian population. 

Best regards,

Masoud

 


anglophile

You mean "pastime" Mr Jalili?

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Otherwise Akhoond has been doing this in past, present and future times LOL!

Thank you for your advice but if you excuse me I shall igonre it.

 

An.. gl .. o

 

LOL

 

 


hmj2101

Akhoond's favorite past time

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Dear Mr. Kazemzadeh,

You're welcome and of course. I will stick up for unjust attacks and I still believe we belong to the same camp.

Even though it is true that the Pahlavi Dynasty did more for religious freedom than most others in Iran's history, the mullahs oppression of Baha'is had little to do with Pahlavi policies. Mullahs were after Baha'is, and really after all religious minorities ever since Shiaism took roots in Iran. Rousing the public to kill Baha'is and Jews has been akhoonds' favorite past time.

In any event, I want to reiterate my praise for a good article on Soroush.

 

H. Michael Jalili is a writer based in the Gulf.


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Dear Mr. Jalili

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And thank YOU so very much for your kind and wise comments.  I  appreciate it very much.

Best regards,

Masoud

 


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Dear Mr. Jalili

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Dear Mr. Jalili,

Our defense of religious minorities is a matter of principle.  Democracy, civil liberties, human rights, and religious freedom, requires the defense of the freedom and human rights of all groups. 

A good society could only be had if we accept pluralism and live and let live. 

A puculiar feature of many dictatorial regimes in the Middle East has been their "protection" of this or that particular minority, to be betraied when necessary.  For example, Saddam provided protection for Christian minorities (e.g., Tareq Aziz a Christian served as one of the top leaders under Saddam).  Assad regime (Hafez and Bashar) protected and helped the Christian minority in Syria.  Mubarak protected the Coptic Christians.  In Iran, the Shah provided protections and benefits to some religious minorities.  But because the Shah was so illegitimate in the eyes of the vast majority of the population, that the protection the Shah provided, was used as a negative thing after the revolution.  That is why after the overthrows of Saddam, the Shah, and Mubarak, these religious minorities came under pressure and discrimination because the rest of the population viewed tham as "collaborators" with the former tyrannical regime.  

The religious minorities in the Middle East are in a tough position.  In my opinion, an expedient alliance with a dictatorial group (one of the common policies pursued with monarchy in Iran, with Saddam in Iraq, with Bashar Assad in Syria, with Mubarak in Egypt) has had long term dangers for the minorities.  In my opinion, the best long term strategy is to support a secular democracy, and NOT any form of dictatorship (in exchange for protection or benefit).  They should ally with the majority of the population for a democratic system and not with a dictatorial group.

My 2 cents,

Masoud

 

 

 

 


hmj2101

Great Article

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Dear Mr. Kazemzadeh,

Great article. I am happy that Soroosh is not, at least onthe surface, on the side of the mullahs. But as you accurately point out, he must speak about his horrible past. Soroush wasn't simply a soldier in a very criminal government, he is the the embodyment of some of the worst execcess of a criminal regime. 

I disagree with you on some topics, but as I've always said we are on the same side at the end of the day. And I can not but thank you for standing up for the rights of a very oppressed minority.

 

Dear Anglophile, I strongly disagree your unwarrnted attacks on Mr. Kazemzadeh in this situation. I aslo think it is inappropriate to digress from the main issue, which is Soroush, Mr. Najafi, and the freedomd of religion and speech, by attacking Dr. Mossadegh. Your action did not serve any positive outcome.

 

H. Michael Jalili is a writer based in the Gulf.


anglophile

"This" Nokar and "That" Great Charlatan

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The job of this Nokar, as I am affectionately labelled by my hateful fan club, is to expose the Big Charlatan and his mini-me charlatan followers. Their anger is not so much directed at me but at their own incompetence and inabilities in coming up with a convincing rebuttal. Unlike Kazemzadeh and Co, who cover their lies with superficial and non-coroborated academic "work", I don't accuse my opposers without irrefutable evidence, not based on the works of professor this or professor that, but on the documented words and documented deeds of the Great Charlatan (Mossadegh) and the hypocricy of his mini-me charlatan followers.

 

In every piece of writing that Mossadeghollahis like Kazemzadeh write one can see the hypocritic footprints of their master being closely followed by these mini-me and super non-original followers. They keep lying and support one lie by another so much so that the reader eventually gives up to undo this carelessly wrappped up bundle of lies. One example of such shameless lies is on public display in Kazemzadeh's lastest comment: 

"In that time of mass calling for revenge and mass executions of the monarchists, WHO stood up to Khomeini and the mass feelings and talked about human rights and the due process of the law?????? It was Dr. Sanjabi and Bazargan." 

 

These two (Sanjabi and Bazargan), together with the rest of Bazrgan's interim government, including such characters as Ibrahim Yazdi and and Ahmad Sadr Haj Seyd Javadi,  were among the gang who supported Khomeini's revolution from the moment go and like their great opportunist mentor, Mossadegh, preferred to stick to their government jobs, as temporary as it was, and only made a few token noises (Bazargan specifically) while providing the much needed administrative support for the murderous regime. They made some lame threat to resign but for 9 months they stuck to their positions and in the meantime allowed the revolutionary courts to carry on with their barbaric execustions - and later these mini charlatans were crying "human rights!!." 

Broumand Foundation and Amnesty International reports on the first 7 months of the murderous regime recount the exection of nearly 900 officials of the former regime in the first 6-7 months of the establishment of the Islamic regime. And these were only the KNOWN cases!:

//www.ihrv.org/inf/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/law_and_human_rights_in_the_islamic_republic_of_iran_february_through_september19791.pdfaj 

 

Haj Sey Javadi, Bazargan's minister of interior and justice, who is suposed to be a human rights advocate, is on the record to have iterrogated General Rahimi who was shortly the same night executed along with three other generals. His hypocricy was later returned by Khamenehei, his former legal client, who not only jailed him but had him flogged at the age of 84!

 

Ibrahim Yazdi, Bazargan's deputy and later his minitser of foreign affairs, presided over the first  kangaeroo courts in which the Shah's generals and later his prime minister Hoveyds were summarily  and executed. YET BAZARGAN KEPT YAZDI IN HIS CABINET WITH TOTAL IMPUNITY.

 

These were only two examples of the double standards of these shamless collaborating hypocrites who now through the agency of mini-me hypocrite Kazemzadeh are being beautified by his crassly put together bundle of lies and fabrications.

 

Driving a wedge between the constitutional monarchists is their familiar technique which is in public display here. Let me reassure them that  I am more than happy to be called a thug and a nokar while saving the good name of my friend Darius Kadivar. You are right on this one Kazemzadeh. I am much beneath Darius and will not darg his respectable name into the same dirt that the likes of you and I are wallowing in. As we say in Farsi:

 

sheghaal bisheh maazandraan ra (i.e. you) nagirad joz sag maazandaraani (i.e. moi)

 

LOL. 


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Soroush and Hojatieh

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Dear friend Roozbeh,

Thank you so very much for your kind words.

I would classify the Hojatieh Society as "the KKK of Iran," or perhaps "KKK lite."

I would classify Fadaian Islam as the Shia Islam’s equivalent to the Nazi Party plus the policy of assassination.

Thank you so much for the link to the interview with Soroush. I did NOT know that Dr. Soroush had publicly admitted that he was a member of the Hojatieh Society. He also says that he left it. But in the interview, he did not discuss his "close" relationship with Hojatieh leader, Halabi dude.

I think the next time a news organization interviews Soroush, they should explicitly ask him about the Hojatieh, why he joined, why he left, and about his relationship with Halabi. And most significantly whether or not he condemns the bigotry and discrimination against a group of people (Bahais) solely for their faith. And why he joined a bigoted group like Hojatieh and whether today he still is intolerant towards the Bahais.

After the revolution, many key figures came from Hojatieh. One was Dr. Ali Akbar Velayati, who was foreign minister for some 16 or 17 years. Parvaresh what was Minister of Education. And Ahmadinejad (he denies it). And Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi (he also denies it).

Again, thank you.

Best,

Masoud


Roozbeh_Gilani

"Soroush" himself has admitted his Hojjatieh affiliations

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on many occasions . here for eample.

Before the Revolution, Hojjatieh acted hand in hand with SAVAK fighting Left wing and secular opposition groups. After the revolution, they were somehow suppressed by Khomeini (Islamic Fascists in fighting). They are now back with their poster boys ahmadinezhad and Mesbah Yazdi.

I hate generalising, and I know quite a few monarchists who truely believe in constitutional democracy, and have my respect for that. But these folks, are the first to admit that Shah's Rule & Islamic so called Republic, beneath the thin surface, are two sides of the same Fascist, backward looking dictatorship, with deep religious undertones. The Hojjatieh Society, this ultimum manifestation of the Right wing/Fascist elements of the Shiat Religion, was loved and used  by both and loves them both. Hojjatieh folks, if It was not for their brown skins, would indeed be welcomed with open arms into any Neo_Nazi Racist European gang!

The way forward for our nation is clear: Democracy, separation of religion & state,  And Rule of Law. Nothing less than that would be accepted by tens of thousands of brave Iranian political prsioners of all political/religious/ethnic persuations and origins. 

Thanks Dear Masoud for another great blog.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Vildemose, Divaneh, PTBA, and Shazde

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Dear Vildemose,

Thank you for you kind comments. I do not know the answer to your question.

Best,

Masoud

 

================================ 

Dear Divaneh,

Thank you for your comment.

Best,

Masoud

 

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PTBA,

Thanks.

Best,

MK

 

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Shazde jaan,

Soroush challenges the secular forces. My blog was to answer his challenge. Lets assume for the sake of argument that Najafi’s song was an insult to the Shias, what is logical problems with Soroush.

Why we should condemn insults to one religion (Shia Islam) and not insults and discrimination to another religion (Bahai faith)? My blog demands Soroush to do as he claims and asked us to do.

Best regards,

Masoud

 


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Dariush Kadivar

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Dear Dariush,

I am very sad to see you sink to the level of Nokar and support his harassments and cyber-bullyings. One of the reasons that the democratic forces do not trust the so-called "constitutionalist" wing of the monarchists have been our observations that repeatedly the so-called "constitutionalist" support the Shaban Bi-Mokh wing of the monarchists. This the reason that the late Dr. Bakhtiar and his supporters have abandoned the monarchists and have gotten close to the democrats and in many cases officially rejoined the JM.

When you were attacked, I came to your defense. There should be a modicum of decency, a basic norm of conduct within which our struggles against each other is conducted. In this blog, I present (as far as I am aware) the sole critique of Soroush’s support for Hojatieh and bigotry against our Bahai citizens. As far as I have seen no other person has brought this out.

After the revolution, JM, and Bazargan were COMPETITORS with Khomeini and his IRP. Khomeini and IRP wanted to mass execute thousands of monarchists. ALL the other groups (e.g., Tudeh Party, Fadaian, PMOI) publically supported this. Due to decades of oppression and the mass murder of the unarmed people during the revolution, the masses wanted justice and that meant (for them) summary executions of all those with the monarchy. In that time of mass calling for revenge and mass executions of the monarchists, WHO stood up to Khomeini and the mass feelings and talked about human rights and the due process of the law?????? It was Dr. Sanjabi and Bazargan.

Another point of my blog is that during those perilous times after the revolution, there was a STRUGGLE between the LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC forces (JM) and semi-democratic forces (Bazargan and later Bani Sadr) on the one side, and Khomeini and his fundamentalist supporters on the other. Had the liberal side won, Iran would have on the road to democracy, moderation, and a decent form of government. Had the fundamentalist side won, Iran would have been under the control of the dictatorial forces. In that struggle, one could have supported the liberal side, or the dictatorial side, or remain neutral. In my blog, I point to the FACT that in the struggle between liberals and fundamentalists between Feb 1979 and July 1981, Dr. Soroush sided with the fundamentalist side.

By this time there is no doubt that Khomeini was pursuing dictatorial policies including imposing his anti-democratic velayat faghih constitution; and that the liberals were fighting against these dictatorial measures. Before the revolution, it was not clear what Khomeini’s policies would be. In Paris he was promising democracy and freedom, and we had the solid record of the Shah being brutal tyrannical savage as well as nokar of foreign powers. Therefore, for pro-democracy and nationalist forces, there was a debate what is the best policy. But as soon as the nature of Khomeini became evident, there is no debate about the dictatorial nature of Khomeini.

I can understand that the monarchists do not care about the ideals of independence, democracy, freedom, and human rights and that their PRIMARY goal was the preservation of the monarchy. The slogan of the monarchists was "Khoda, Shah, Mihan," In the monarchists mind, the monarch is superior to our country of IRAN. So, the interests of our mihan IRAN (e.g,. Independence, democracy, freedom, human rights) are INFERIOR to the interests of the Shah.

For the rest of the population of Iran, the overwhelming of whom are not monarchists, other values than the preservation of a monarch that we despised and opposed matter more. For us, the interest of our mihan IRAN comes first and not the interest of the Shah.

In my blog, I point to the fact that while there was a struggle between LIBERALS and FUNDAMENTALIST and the division was between democracy and dictatorship after the revolution (Feb 1979 and July 1981), Dr. Soroush sided with the pro-dictatorship and against pro-democratic forces. This issue might not matter to the monarchists, but it matters to all other Iranian forces.

Now, this filthy Shaban Bi-Mokh thug comes and as he has been doing in just about every blog of mine, attacks me, Dr. Mossadegh, and the pro-democratic forces in our history.

I do not expect you to side with the pro-democracy forces. But I did expect YOU to oppose the THUGISH behavior of Shaban Bi-Mokh of this site. Unfortunately, the fact that you side with this filth, shows WHY the pro-democracy forces do not trust the claims of "constitutionalists" to be fundamentally different than the Shahollahis.

You have every right to oppose our opposition to the Shah.

In his article, Soroush publically demands that seculars to condemn Najafi’s insults. Soroush claims that he is for religious liberty and condemns any insults to any religion. I meet Soroush’s challenge to the seculars. I demand that Soroush to do what he asks the secular to do. I demand that Soroush to condemn his own insults and attacks against another religion (the Bahais). As far as I am able to see, this is the most powerful response to Soroush’s position in his letter.

As a matter of principle, I am challenging Dr. Soroush about his double standard. This is a clear case. Now this thug with his sick obsession barges in. As a matter of basic decency and basic principle, I expected YOU, who claims to be different than the Shaban Bi-Mokh Shahollahis to condemn this thug.

It is very sad to see YOU to sink to the level of Nokar. Unfortunately, this proves that there is no real difference between those who claim to be "constitutionalists" and the Shaban Bi-Mokh Shahollahis.

Masoud

 


Shazde Asdola Mirza

Dear Masoud: Shahin N has not insulted the Shiite ...

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... not that the Shiite ruling clergy don't deserve all insults.


P_T_B_A

Divaneh...

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Ditto!


anglophile

Divaneh jaan

by anglophile on

Good question!  I was appalled by Kazemzadeh's cheek to criticise Soroush on such parallel grounds that his own Imam and his cohorts, Mossadegh-Bazargan could be criticised, hence exonertaing Mossadegh/Bazargan while incriminating Soroush of the same charges. If you read my first comment I have produced a disclaimer at the end that makes it clear that I am no fan of Soroush at all but Kazemzadeh's hypocricy in this case was too tempting to be ignored.


divaneh

Where is the relation Anglophile?

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Could you please explain what is the relation between the subject of this blog and Dr Mossadegh?

On the subject of this blog, I think this insult (if it can be classed as insult) was necessary to create the reaction and raise the debate about fatwa and the violent religious intolerance in Iran.


Darius Kadivar

Wow No Kidding ? ... So you can Spell too ... Amazing CV

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Dr. Mohandes

Dariush Gholi joon

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It is Doctor first of all not Doktor and oh before i forget, i appreciate your rambling mumbo jumbo you gave me on that other blog. Fascinating, albeit repeated, One too many times (between you and me and the whole IC gang). So all that rajaz khooni was meant to be educational then ha? Must be the new fad to make all kinds of assumptions followed by accusations and then go back and say Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, That is not what i had meant. are you keeeddeeeng me? I vaaz beeing eyroneeek! boro mashti.

I just hope that for the sake of future Oos reza's government, Your one and only monly Sovereign, you won't drawn in the sea of self-declared and professed anatlectual raaspaanseebeeeleetee...Onye kish chi bood? Oh yeah...Khistorical responsibily. Poor you. How do you handle all that Baar on your doosh?:)) Because Mashti reza Koochool needs you real bad.

So how many years, months, days, centuries, seconds we got left before we come face to face with our Sovereign destiny and our one and only Oosa? Perhaps another 105 years when venus will take another spin and traverses across the sun? LOOOOL.


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vildemose

Great post MK. Soroush aka

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Great post MK. Soroush aka Dabbagh. Is soroush related to the female terrorist, Mariah dabbagh?

 

 

 //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marzieh_Hadidchi

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir


anglophile

Produce evidence Kazemzadeh, not abusive labels

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As always when you have no evidence you hide behind a pompus name. We are living in an age that the word of God is questioned, let alone the word of Abrahamian (LOL)!! He is not an objective academic by any measure which suits you fine. But that's no replacement for facts.

 

Mossadegh, as shown by my irrefutable sources was a duplicious hypocrite who changed his position at the drop of a hat. Why you Mossadeghollahis are so afraid to talk about the period that Mossadegh and Kashani were exchanging compliments like two lovers. I am talking about the period running up to the assassination of Razmara and right through to the post 30 Tir 1331 when Mossadegh regained his post mainly due to the support of Kashani. But then his meglomaniacal tnedencies kicked and thought he had power without the support of the clergy. History, thankfully, proved him wrong.

 

Moassadegh as shown in the references I produced was a double standard duplicious demagouge who used to follow the clergy when it suited him but lost touch with realities and forgot that without the clergy he had no support. And thank God his menace was ended by the same people who put him into the power, THE CLERGY.

 

And as for you and the rest of Mossadeghollahis, you can be sure that I will appear and reappear wherever and whenever you lot fabricate the truth and spread the lies that have blackmailed Iranians for the last six decadeds.

Now show evidence or apologise for spreading falsehoods. 


Darius Kadivar

anglophile jan beya een hamsade ghadim & DOKOTOR ham educate kon

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Take Care Anglophile Jan and keep up the good work and

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Masoud Kazemzadeh

Professor Abrahamian is Correct and Honorable; U R Sick

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Nokar,

You are a troll. You have been barging into just about every blog I write and changing the main subject with you sick obsessions.

You are a very sick individual. You have an unhealthy obsession with me, Dr. Mossadegh, and the democratic forces. Going around calling the very top scholars of Iran liars is not what a normal healthy person does.

Professor Abrahamian is one of the very top historians of Iran. And that is what he wrote:

Kashani's opposition to Mosaddeq came into the open by mid-1953 once the latter issued a referendum to dissolve Parliament, drafted an electoral bill enfranchising women, tended to favor state enterprises over the bazaar, refused to ban alcohol, and declined amnesty to assassins from the Fedayan-e Islam."

The passage you quoted does NOT refute that Mossadegh’s cabinet drafted the bill giving women the right to vote, and that Kashani opposed it and it was one of the main reasons for the division between Mossadegh and Kashani.  It actually says that Mossadegh drafted such a bill and that Kashani opposed it. 

On alcohol, the dates are different. Abrahamian is writing about when Mossadegh was PM. The passage you quoted is from an earlier era on a bill discussing banning of alcohol.

Professor Abrahamian is correct. He is one of the most respected scholars of Iran. You are wrong, rude, and terribly sick.

 


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Dear Azarbanoo

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Dear Azarbanoo,

Thank you for your kind comments.

Best,

MK

 


anglophile

More lies by Kazemzadeh

by anglophile on

I understand you anger Kazemzadeh but lies can't save you. First of all the only thing I am obssessed with is promoting the truth. For many decades the shamless liers of pro Mossadegh clan, of which you are a second or third generation, have hijacked the perople's genuine quest for freedom and continued by betraying them into the hands of Khomeini. You are not obessession worthy material so please don't papmer yourself with such honour. Now two examples of your blatant lies:  Lie Number 1:  Mossadegh’s cabinet submitted the first cabinet bill (layeheh) to the Majles giving women the right to vote in Iran’s history." Fact 1:

با فعالیت مجدد حزب توده و سازمان زنان ایران که متعلق به همین حزب بود روزنامه ای به نام جهان زنان منتشر شد که مبارزه برای تساوی حقوق زنان و مردان محور اصلی آن بود. در اردیبهشت 1330 دولت مصدق در پیش نویس لایحه انتخابات حق رای برای زنان را به رسمیت شناخت. اما شاخه مذهبی جبهه ملی، سازمان فداییان اسلام، آیت الله کاشانی و بسیاری از روحانیون دیگر با خواسته های زنان به مخالفت برخاستند. به دلیل همین مخالفتها دولت مصدق عقب نشینی کرد و با وجود همکاریهای گسترده زنان برای ملی کردن نفت، حق رای زنان از پیش نویس لایحه انتخابات حذف شد. نتیجه این کار اعتراض زنان و بردن شکایت به سازمان ملل بود. 

//www.zanestan.es/06,08,07,12,27,40/ Lie Number 2 (ala Ervand Abrahamian):  “Kashani's opposition to Mosaddeq came into the open by mid-1953 once the latter issued a referendum to dissolve Parliament, drafted an electoral bill enfranchising women, tended to favor state enterprises over the bazaar, refused to ban alcohol, and declined amnesty to assassins from the Fedayan-e Islam.” Fact 2:  A letter signed by a group of Majles representatives (including Mossadegh)  asking for the revival of the Banning the Alcoholic Beverages Bill, read in the Majles (15th legislative season): ساحت مقدس مجلس شورای ملی – مضرات شرب خمر واضحتر و زیاده برآن است که محتاج به شرح باشد گذشته از اینکه دیانت رسمی مملکت ایران تحریم نموده و مجازات برای آن تعیین فرموده عقلای امم متفق بر مضار آن هستند و غالب مفاسد متکی به آن است، جای تأسف است که هنوز تصمیم جدی برای جلوگیری و منع قانونی در ایران گرفته نشده ملت ایران نمیتواند فرض عقب ماندن از دولت جدیدالتشکیل پاکستان را برای خود بنماید سابقاً این موضوع از کمیسیون مبتکرات نیز عبور کرده تمنای ملت ایران آن است که قبل از همه چیز جزء دستور قرارگیرد و به تصویب تحریم و منع مطلق شرب و ترتیب مجازات ریشه این فساد قطع شود و مفاسد هر روزی که ناشی از این قسمت است بالمره مرتفع گردد. عده ای از آقایان به پیروی از ماده 41 آئین‌نامه که در آن جا مقرر شده است اگر بیش از ۱۵ نفرازآقایان نمایندگان آن را تقاضا بکنند طرح میشود طرحی تهیه کرده‌اند که قرائت میکنم. مجلس شورایملی، راجع به منع استعمال مسکرات که طرح آن در دوره پانزدهم به مجلس شورای ملی تقدیم و به کمیسیون مزبور هم قابل توجه تشخیص و گزارش آن طبع و توزیع گردید بر وفق ماده ۴۱ آئین‌نامه امضاءکنندگان زیر لزوم تجدید و تصویب آن را از مجلس مقدس شورایملی تقاضا مینمایم: سلطان‌العلماء طباطبائی – علی بهبهانی – ابوالحسن رضوی – رضا رفیع – حائری‌زاده – ملک مدنی –مرتضی حکمت – دکتر شایگان – مسعودی – دکتر نبوی – صدرزاده – آزاد – ابریشمکار- مخبرفرهمند – ناظرزاده عباسی- علی‌محمد دهقان – دکتر مصدق – دکتر علوی (احسنت)


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Azarbanoo

Dr. Kazemzadeh, Great Blog with

by Azarbanoo on

Truth and facts.  I enjoyed it.


Azarbanoo

Mr. Dabagh (not dr. Sourosh) is a hypocrite like the

by Azarbanoo on

rest of Islamists (Akhoond +thugs & their supporters).  Their claims are different from their Actions.

 


Masoud Kazemzadeh

Nokar

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on

Nokar,

1. Dr. Was a member of Adamiyat society for only a "couple of weeks." That is he resigned after 2 weeks. Second, it is in dispute whether or not Adamiyat society was a progressive group or was it affiliated with Freemasonry. And finally, Mossadegh was in his 20s.

Seyyed Hassan Taghizadeh and Jamal aldon Asadabadi (Afghani) were actually leading Freemasons.

2. Actually, Ayatollah Kashani and Mossadegh broke for a variety of reason. Among them Kashani kept demanding this or that from Mossadegh (e.g., giving jobs to his associates) that Mossadegh refused. Mossadegh’s cabinet submitted the first cabinet bill (layeheh) to the Majles giving women the right to vote in Iran’s history. Kashani went ballistic.

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/history-lesson-dr-mossadegh-and-female-franchise-debunking-disinformation

Kashani then went to the British and asked for money. See Abrahamian,

//www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2009/08/history-used-and-abused.html

3. Bazargan opposed Khomeini’s many dictatorial actions, including summary executions, and the Vvelayat faghih constitution. During the time that Bazargan stood up to many of Khomeini’s dictatorial actions, Dr. Soroush was helping Khomeini do those dictatorial actions.

4. Mossadegh stood up to reactionary and pro-monarchist clerics who wanted to persecute Bahais such as Akhund Falsafi and Ayatollah Behbahani. Mossadegh treated our Bahai citizens as Iran’s citizens in 1951-53. That was a zillion times superior to the way the Shah allowed savages to ransack the Bahai’s places of worship after the coup to reward the clerics for their support of the coup. And of course what Khomeini did after he came to power.

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/history-lesson-dr-mossadegh-rights-bahais-vs-mohammad-reza-pahlavi-rights-bah

5. The Shah did not arrest Navab Safavi who assassinated Ahmad Kasravi. Mossadegh put him in prison.

The Shah murdered Gen. Razmara with collaboration with Fadaian Islam.

Nokar writes that Mossadegh used religious words in his speech. The Shah wrote and said that the 12th Imam was giving him advice and saving his life.

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/oriana-fallaci-interview-mohammad-reza-shah-religion

6. No Shia clergy is going to approve of the insults that Najafi made. The appropriate question, which cleric will issue a fatwa to get the Najafi killed and which clerics would not do that.

7. You have a sick obsession with me. You also have a very unhealthy obsession with Dr. Mossadegh and JM. You keep losing arguments. You keep insulting the pro-democracy forces. You keep lying.

You are a sad case. 

Masoud

 


anglophile

Shameless hypocrisy of Mossadegollahi Kazemzadeh

by anglophile on

Kazemzadeh, this bumbling lier who suffers from selective amnesia has understandably NOTHING to say about the substance of Soroush's article, as he does't understand a word of it, and instead launches a PURELY PERSONAL ATTACK ON SOROUSH, unaware that the same very attacks are precisely applied against the very Imam and junior Imams that he so blindly follows:
  • 1. His own Imam, Mossadegh, was a member of a secret society, Adamiyat, whom he never condemned, with strong ties to British freemasonary. Allegedly, Mossadegh left the society but so did Soroush  as per Hotatieh.
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  • 2. Mossadegh, the leader of the so called movement that Kazemzadeh is a follower, fomed a strong tie with Khomeini's teacher, Aytollah Kashani only later (after at least a 2 year courtship) was ditched by the Ayatollah as the latter saw the hypocrisy in Mossadegh. Amazing parallels!
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  • 3. Mossadegh's follower, Mehdi Bazargan provided his services to Khomeini together with a whole line up of Mossadeghists in providing Khomeini with what he needed most - a civil face, only later to be ditched by Imam for their "sevices". 
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  • 4. When did Mossadegh's religious advisor, Bazargan, condemn the Bahai persecuton either before or after being the stooge to Khomeini? When did Bazargan condemn the barabric execution of the Shah's officals in the follow up their Islamic victory.
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  • 5. And talking about those who USED ISLAM TO REACH POWER, reminds us again of Mossadegh's grovelling pro Islamic speeches in Majlis, and his duplicity with the Islamic terrotrist  group Fadaeeyan Islam and their subsequesnt release from prison under Mossadegh's watch.
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  • 6. How many of the so-called devout clergy who allegedly are supporting separation of state and religion have approved of slurrs by the likes of Najafi? Evidence?
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  • 7. The lying and discredible Mossadeghists like Kazemzadeh and Co are the last one to criticise Soroush as their pants, like Soroush's, are equally soiled.
Now I expect the asinine comments by the Mossadeghollahis, Parham, aynak, Arj , etc, and the society of Mossadegh mourners, to come to bumbling Kazemzadeh's rescue! LOL.
ps - I have no affection or admiration for Soroush but not for the unscholarly and hypocritical reasons of Mossadeghollahi Kazemzadeh.